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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 317

                           Monday, October 15th 1990

Today's Topics:

                                     Aliases
                            Southern Hemisphere SETI
                                 Re: Gulf Breeze
                              Re: Mystery Teletype
                                   Re: Aliases
                            Re: JFK's UFO Connection?
                                  Public BBS's
                                Wall St. Journal
                             Re: Mayor Ed vs. Mr. ED
                                Various & Sundry
                                  Magazine _UFO_
                                 The Salisberrys

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From: [e-mail] (Brian Clark)
Subject: Aliases
Date: 11 Oct 90 17:37:00 GMT


 > Er, Brian....I think that CYRO Lord is his real name...
 >
 > Jim
 >
Woops!  Well, I stand corrected.  No offense intended!

Brian

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From: [e-mail] (David Stager)
Subject: Southern Hemisphere SETI
Date: 12 Oct 90 21:38:00 GMT

ET search begins from Southern Hemisphere

By ROB STEIN
        UPI Science Editor
        WASHINGTON (UPI) -- A powerful new radio receiver began
scanning the sky from the Southern Hemisphere Friday for messages from
intelligent life from outer space.
        About 100 people gathered at the Argentine Institute of
Radioastronomy outside Buenos Aires as the high-tech receiver was
switched on at 10:09 a.m.  EDT and began monitoring more than 8 million
radio frequencies. Nothing was immediately detected.
        "Nobody thinks it's going to get turned on and there will be a,
'Hello, how are you?' sitting there. But this is clearly a significant
step forward," said astronomer Carl Sagan beforehand.
        The new receiver allows astronomers for the first time to
systematically search the part of the cosmos visible from the Southern
Hemisphere for radio signals from extraterrestrial beings.
        "If we were extremely lucky, and there were some relatively
nearby civilization broadcasting us a message, but they were in the
Southern Hemisphere, we could have blithely been going on all these
year and never heard it," said Sagan, president of The Planetary
Society, which set up the receiver.
        Although there is no evidence intelligent life exists on other
worlds, it is theoretically possible, Sagan said.
        "A lot of scientists, the overwhelming majority, expect there's
a lot of life and intelligence," Sagan said. "The whole point is we
don't know."
        Astronomers are anxious to scan the sky from the Southern
Hemisphere because they will have access to some of the stars nearest
Earth, including those in the heart of our own Milky Way galaxy.
        "For the first time, we will be a very capable of searching for
extraterrestrial intelligence in the other half of the sky," Sagan said
by telephone from Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y.
        The $150,000 META II or Megachannel Extraterrestrial Assay II
receiver will complement META I, which has been scanning the Northern
Hemisphere's sky from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics'
Oak Ridge Obseratory in Harvard, Mass., since 1985.
        "We've sometimes detected some strange signals," said Thomas
McDonough, who runs the SETI, or Search for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence project, for the Pasadena, Calif.-based Planetary Society,
which promotes space exploration.
        "In most cases we've been able to track them down as being from
the sun or our own civilization. We have on occasion detected strange
signals. But they have not repeated. The most likely explanation is
they are from our civilization. But we don't know for sure," McDonough
said.
        With its dish antenna 98 feet in diameter, the new receiver can
simultaneously scan 8.4 million radio frequencies, systemically moving
across the sky in search of incoming signals.
        There have been previous searches, but the new receiver, run by
the Organization of Argentine Astronomers, will be the first permanent
outpost that will continuously sweep the entire sky, McDonough said.
        NASA, meanwhile, is trying to get money for a 10-year, $100
million SETI project that would monitor 20 million radio channels every
second.
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze
Date: 13 Oct 90 18:25:00 GMT

All those questions that you would like answer to are good questons but
it simply isn't possible to cover everything in a 20 minute segment.
It seems that most people are attacking anyone who trys to cast any
doubt on what Ed says.  In an effort to discredit those who question
Ed's story we now have allegations of the debunkers having planted a
fake "fake" UFO, arranged for someone to buy the house and "find" it'
arrange for a newpaper reported to come by and ask about it, arrange
for other newspeople to arrange photo's of it that show how well it
matches the "real" UFO; arrange for a teenager to come forward so he
can be attacked apparently by the believers.  The scenerio painted by
the believers to "explain"  the apparent evidence of a hoax are about
as hard to believe as the original claims made by ED.  The Believers
are willing to pretty much take everything ED says at face value while
questioning the motives and abilties of just about everyone who dares
to question ED's veracity.  I heard statements over and over again by
ED's supporters about how the Model in the Attic looked nothing like
anything in Ed's photos yet as shown on UnSolved Mysteries, the match
between the two when photographed in similar perspective is virtually
identical.  I have to aske myself how objective these supposedly
objective investigators are when somehting that is so similar is said
to have no similarity.  I have to wonder why, when the homeowner says
he found the model months before anyone asked him about I, the
believers continue to say over and over again that the reporter came to
the house only a couple of days after the model was found.
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype
Date: 13 Oct 90 18:40:00 GMT

Am I reading your messages correctly??   You are saying that Ed's
videos show that the UFO stayed within one video scanline and that is
verification of authenticity???  I thought he took those videos while
the camera was handheld.  To maintain within one scan line would
require a very steady hand indeed!! Am I mistaken and he used a tripod?
 Remembering that this is the guy who usually used a handheld polaroid
we are to believe that suddenly he turned into Francios Truffant and
set up all his proffessional video equipment and got everything
stablized and framed before even fireing off the camera?  Hmm, can you
clarify any of that for me....
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Aliases
Date: 13 Oct 90 18:57:00 GMT

At the risk of offending, I thing you are misinterpeting what a
"public" BBS is.  When it comes to non-gvt entities there is no free
speech right as many people seem to think there is.  The only right one
has on a non-gvt BBS, or magazine, or newspaper is whatever rights the
owner chooses to give you.  BBS's by their nature, are far more free in
the rights they grant then virtually any other open forum I can think
of and that has lead many people to think that the owners have no right
to try and control what they own.  If you feel that your free speech
rights are compromised on a BBS consider how you would be recieved if
you went to a newspaper office and asked for unlimited access to the
newspaper columns to have them print whatever you wanted printed and in
whatever quantity, and at no cost to you, and with no control over the
content, or the timing, or the legal implications of your material.
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: JFK's UFO Connection?
Date: 13 Oct 90 18:58:00 GMT

IMHO, No.
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Public BBS's
Date: 13 Oct 90 19:09:00 GMT

RE> the previous message that starts "At the  risk of offending"
  It was supposed to be address to Someone else, Brian Clark I think,
who was unhappy that there were any restraints on his freedom of
speech.
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From: [e-mail] (Paul White)
Subject: Wall St. Journal
Date: 14 Oct 90 15:47:00 GMT

Cou someoe please post the conent of the recent Wall treet Journal
articl dealing with the Belgian UFO sightings (if it's not too much
trouble).  I briefly glanced at thront page art in the airport
in Denver, bt didn't get to read the entire th.
Onetng I did note from the article was thatEuroans were getting
quite a joke out of the whole thing ecausetheobjects have been sighted
in Belgium.ropeans tell `Belgian jokes' like Americans tell Polish
jokes.  I rememberthe article stating that they're not laughinnow after
some of the better sightings, correlated with radar video.
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Mayor Ed vs. Mr. ED
Date: 15 Oct 90 04:43:00 GMT


 >
 > So, for all I know the esteemed Burgomeister of Gulf Breeze may be as
 > deep as the North Atlantic and as principled as Honest Abe, but none of
 > it came thru the lens.  What's the skinny on Gray?  Did you publish the
 > interview? How long did you talk to him, and when?
 >
 > Inquiring minds want to know.

It was around September of '88, and I published highlights of the interview in
that month's INSIDE UFOLOGY column. I think its still online somewhere. Hall
and Smith referred to it in an article in the MUFON Journal last year. I'll
see if I can dig up the column.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Various & Sundry
Date: 15 Oct 90 05:04:00 GMT


1) Dr. Richard Haines has just published his fourth book, "Advanced Aerial
Devices Reported During the Korean War." Apparently there were quite a few
reports by our flyboys during that period, 1950-53, and Haines is probably the
most qualified man in the field to discuss them, as he has devoted a goodly
portion of his UFO career to studying pilot reports. The book includes a
forward by Jacques Vallee, who collaborated with Haines on some of the
research. Available for $9.50 + 1.25 s/h from: LDA Press, PO Box 880, Los
Altos, CA, 94023-0880. ISBN # 0-9618082-1-7

2) The aforementioned Dr. Haines will be speaking in Phoenix at the Arizona
Science Teachers Association Conference, at 11:30 Thursday the 18th. Then on
Friday he will appear in Tucson at an affair arranged by Allen Benz'
Foundation for UFO Research. Contact Allen at 602-792-4522.

3) Dr. Marcello Truzzi has been added to the speakers list at the upcoming
Santa Barbara Conference, which is already one of the very best lineups ever.
Truzzi, as you may know, is that rarest and most valuable of commodities, a
CSICOP defector. Not exactly a true believer, mind you, but Truzzi parted
company with CSICOP several years ago in a dispute over their general approach
and attitude towards the paranormal, and I believe the Gauquelin incident
fanned the flames as well.

If you can only make it to one UFO event this year, make it this one. The
other speakers are: Eddie Bullard, Jerry Clark, George Eberhart, Dick Haines,
Budd Hopkins, ParaNet's Dave Jacobs, J. Gordon Melton, Mark Rodeghier, John
Saliba, and Don Schmitt. They've packed all that into one day, and its only
$40. For information, contact: The Santa Barbara Centre for Humanistic
Studies, Inc., Box 91611, Santa Barbara, CA, 93190-1611, 805-967-2669.

4) Does ANYONE have ANY information on the sightings in Northern Minnesota,
which were allegedly reported on network TV news recently? Lights in the sky
is all I know at this point.

Jim

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From: [e-mail]
Subject:  Magazine _UFO_
Date: 15 Oct 90 19:11:58 GMT


Someone, I believe, was looking for a place to buy copies
of the magazine _UFO_.  As it so happens, I was browsing
the magazine racks at a recently opened bookstore and found
v. 4, No. 5 ($3).

If you're in the DC (Washington) area, try Borders Books
at the corner of Rockville Pike (Route 355) and Nicholson
Lane.







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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: The Salisberrys
Date: 15 Oct 90 05:50:00 GMT

John:

Forgive me if I've asked this before, but what do you know about Rex and Carol
Salisberry now claiming to be convinced that Ed is a hoaxer? I have now heard
this from two sources.

Jim

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 318

                           Friday, October 19th 1990

Today's Topics:

                         Horse-patooties and sonic booms
                              Re: Mystery Teletype
                              Re: Mystery Teletype
                                  Faked UFO Pictures
                            Aviation Week & Space Tec
                         Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
                         Horse-patooties and sonic booms
                              Odd aircraft and X-31
                             Re: Faked Ufo Pictures
                                 The Salisberrys

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From: Tom Betz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Horse-patooties and sonic booms
Date: 16 Oct 90 04:11:59 GMT


| From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
|
| I'm terribly sorry, but the preceding articles are horse patooties. A craft
| travelling at such a tremendous speed would HAVE to create a sonic boom.
| Since no sonic boom was reported, the entire article has to be classed as
| highly suspect.

(Presuming you ain't jivin' here) That ain't necessarily so.
Aerodynamicists have been working very hard on controlling the
shock wave around supersonic craft, reducing the included angle
of the cone, and 'wrapping' it around the craft itself, so it
never hits the ground, hence can not be heard.

It is quite possible that this has been accomplished in some of
these black-budget aircraft.

I'll review the postings again, and seek out this set of AvWeek
articles, to see if mention of this is made.

| Well, that's exactly the kind of crap you hear in the FIDO SCIENCE echo
| anytime you mention UFOs.

Now, now, no need to slam these poor fools...

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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype
Date: 15 Oct 90 01:26:00 GMT

JD> ...many people seem to want to shift the focus from whether Mr. Ed
  > is on the up and up, to attacking those who don't support Mr. Ed.

Jim:
      I'm also amused by the tactic (as demonstrated by Budd Hopkins on
pg 20 of the July-Aug `90 issue of _IUR_) of using Ed's children as
"human shields" to absorb the charges of "HOAXER!" being fired at
Ed.  In this way such a critic can be characterized as besmirching the
reputations of innocent *children*.  (-- which just happens to be what
Ed did to Tom Mock and now Tommy Smith.)

     When did Laura or Dan Walters ever go on the record as claiming to
have seen Ed take any of his photographs?  Noone could be blamed for
attempting to implicate Laura or Dan in a hoax unless these kids had
made such a claim.
                        --  John
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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype
Date: 15 Oct 90 15:30:00 GMT


 > Am I reading your messages correctly??   You are saying that
 > Ed's videos show that the UFO stayed within one video scanline
 > and that is verification of authenticity???

  My info came from Bruce Maccabee's paper on his analysis of the
video. I'll have to re-read it to be sure of all the details, and I'll
let you know.

                                           jbh

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From: Charlie Turner <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Faked UFO Pictures
Date: 16 Oct 90 17:54:51 GMT


Speaking of faked UFO pictures, one of the TV network home video shows
(on ABC I think) announced a contest for people to send in their
best fake UFO videos. Best presumably in this context means funniest,
most outrageous, etc. I can't wait to see what they come up with!




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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Aviation Week & Space Tec
Date: 13 Oct 90 14:42:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo"
 * Originally from Harrison Hopper
 * Originally dated 10-09-90 16:09

     First of all, there was no new information in this weeks Aviation Week &
Space Technology (October 8, 1990) on any developments in the Nevada desert.

     However, there was an interesting letter to the editor regarding one of
the aircraft mentioned in the earlier articles:

     At the recent Tailhook Symposium, I listened to the first public briefing
on the Navy's newest attack aircraft, the A-12 Avenger. After the presentation
I saw someone I had not seen for several years.

     "Hey, did you see the A-12 presentation?" I asked.

     "Yes," he said, smirking, the grin indigenous to everyone associated with
a "black" program.

     "What did you think of it?" I asked.

     "I can't talk about it," he said.

     "Why not?" I asked.

     "Well, I've been on the program for a long time and it's very classified
and I mean very."

     "I'm not asking you to reveal classified information," I insisted. "I
merely wondered what you thought of the briefing."

     "If I were to comment on the briefing, that might add credence to
something they said, and that could be construed as divulging classified
information," my acquantance said.

     "Don't you think you're carrying 'classified information' a little too
far?" I asked.

     "Are you kidding?" my colleage replied. "Listen, this program has been so
tight that we were not even allowed to sit near someone eating a bag of Dorito
Corn Chips."

     "Why not?" I akded incredulously.

     "Because if we sat close to someone eating a Dorito, that might be
construed as acknowledging the shape of the aircraft," he said.

     My wife, a fan of Katherine Anne Porter, turned to me and said: "Obviousl
the code name for the program when it was 'black' must have been 'A Chip of
Fools.'"

     Perhaps the real name of the airplane should have been the A-12 Dorito.

                                       James P. Stevenson
                                  Rancho Santa Fe, Calif.

     Actually, the A-12 *is* shaped like a Dorito!

     hop


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
Date: 16 Oct 90 14:53:00 GMT


 > From: [e-mail]
 > Date: 16 Oct 90 04:11:59 GMT
 > Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 > Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >
 > From: Tom Betz <[e-mail]>

I am curious as to what part microwaves play in aerodynamics.  I
have heard that microwaves are used.  For what?

Thanks,

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Horse-patooties and sonic booms
Date: 17 Oct 90 06:13:00 GMT


 > (Presuming you ain't jivin' here)


Jivin' I is, Tom. I know they've been working on it, and furthermore I know
they'll eventually solve the problem. I only raised the point to show how
short-sighted some "scientific types" can be.

Jim

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From: '23BMSDO' <[e-mail]>
Subject: Odd aircraft and X-31
Date: 18 Oct 90 07:51:53 GMT


Mike -
  I think there is more to the recent Roswell fly-bys than first meets the
eye. After talking to the Flight Service Station people at Roswell field
less than a week afterward ...they made some comments that didn't point to
USAF aircraft. We don't drop flares and chaff on civilians.
----------
Jim Speiser - I'll be at Edwards AFB this weekend(19-21 Oct) and if I see
anything I'll be sure not to tell you. Especially if I run across any of
Lazar's saucers!!(grin).  Here is something that might tickle your
interest:.................
----------------
X-31 MAKES FIRST SUCCESSFUL FLIGHT


     The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA)/U. S. Navy X-31A
Enhanced Fighter Maneuverability demonstrator aircraft today successfully
completed its first flight.

     The X-31 took off from runway 07 at Rockwell International's Palmdale,
Calif., facility at 12:36 p.m. (PDT).  During the 38-minute flight, the X-31
accelerated to a speed of   approximately 340 mils per hour and reached an
altitude of 10,000 feet.   The plane returned to Palmdale and will now undergo
additional air worthiness tests and then begin to fully expand its operating
envelope in subsequent lights, which are expected shortly.

     During the flight, the plane, flown by Rockwell chief test pilot Ken
Dyson, exhibited the expected flying qualities and subsystem performance.

     The X-31's operating envelope includes controlled flight beyond the
aircraft's aerodynamic lift limit ('high angles of attack').  This capability
is achieved through a highly sophisticated digital flight control system that
includes an integrated vectored thrust system using thrust vectoring paddles.
The X-31 is intended to demonstrate whether it is possible to controllably
exploit this high angle of attack flight regime and thus allow a fighter
aircraft to achieve tighter, faster turns, which would be a definie tactical
advantage during close in combat.

     After watching the first flight Lt. Col. John 'Tack' Nix, the X-31
program manager at DARPA, stated that, 'We really are anxious to expand the
flight envelope and put the X-31 through its paces.  This first flight repre-
sents a triumph of trust and perseverance of the integrated Rockwell/MBB/U.S.
Navy/German/DARPA team.   The flight test phase will continue to require the
very best efforts of all organizations involved to fully demonstrate the uniqu
maneuvering potential contained in the two X-31 airframes.'

     The X-31 is the first international experimental aircraft development
program undertaken by the U.S.  The U.S. contractor building the two demonstra
tor aircraft is Rockwell International; Messerschmitt-Bolkow-Blohm (MBB) is th
German contractor.  The Naval Air Systems Command is DARPA's agent for the U.S
portion of theprogram and is providing both technical management and contract-
ing support.

-----------------end
Enjoy....





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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keithly)
Subject: Re: Faked Ufo Pictures
Date: 19 Oct 90 05:11:00 GMT

Maybe Ed Walters Paper Plates??
       Mike Keithly
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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: The Salisberrys
Date: 18 Oct 90 18:00:00 GMT


 JS> Forgive me if I've asked this before, but what do you know
 JS> about Rex and Carol Salisberry now claiming to be convinced
 JS> that Ed is a hoaxer? I have now heard this from two
 JS> sources.

  Rex has never said that to me. He's generally stayed away from the Ed
controversy. I'll give him a call this weekend and see if he'll say anything
about it.
  Rex is a very solid hardware-type investigator, so I don't think he'd be
going on hearsay or opinions.
  I'll pass along anything I find out.

                                                jbh

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 319

                           Monday, October 22nd 1990

Today's Topics:

                              New crop circle idea?
                 Jesus Christ! -- Benjamin Creme and Larry King
                                 The Salisberrys
                              Odd Aircraft And X-31
                           Re: Paranet Newsletter 318
                            Re: New Crop Circle Idea?
                       Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
                                     UFO Mag
                            Re: Jfk's Ufo Connection?
                           Re: Southern Hemisphere Se
                       Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
                       Re: Horse-patooties and sonic booms
                                   Sonic Booms
                                   Ed's video
                                      Krill
                                     Ed etc.
                                 The Salisberrys

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject:  New crop circle idea?
Date: 20 Oct 90 03:35:12 GMT


Regarding the crop circles, has anyone considered that there may exist some
chemical (organic or inorganic) compound that someone could apply on the
ground that at some later time caused a reaction in the plants?  One could
apply this compound in a manner such that when it took affect, it would
produce the described patterns.  The compound could take effect over time,
in reaction to prevailing wind, humidity, temperature, light, or whatever.
Might even be triggered by IR, UV, RF, magnetic field, or whatever.

Further, after reading the discussion, it would appear that the circle
phenomenon has appeared in other places & at other times (in the past).
So, is it possible that in England we are actually seeing more than one
phenomenon at the same time?  Dust devils could make some of the circles,
farmers wielding plant sprayers with secret solution to make some of the
patters, hyper-intelligent microbes make yet more patters  :-)  ...

-Robert

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From: Tom Betz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Jesus Christ! -- Benjamin Creme and Larry King
Date: 20 Oct 90 04:22:27 GMT


Larry King has always said that his fantasy interview would be
with Jesus Christ.

Well, a nice Southern lady called up Larry King just now and gave
him Benjamin Creme's phone number;  unfortunately, it was done off
the air, so I can't give it to you.  Anyway, keep an eye on CNN
and an ear on his Mutual Radio show, and maybe, just maybe, you'll
catch Larry King fulfilling his fantasy by interviewing the Maitreya!

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 cannoli, cannoli, and more cannoli.' - Peter Hannah |      [phone]




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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: The Salisberrys
Date: 20 Oct 90 08:26:00 GMT


 >  JS> Forgive me if I've asked this before, but what do you know
 > JS> about Rex and Carol Salisberry now claiming to be convinced
 > JS> that Ed is a hoaxer? I have now heard this from two
 >  JS> sources.
 >
 >   Rex has never said that to me. He's generally stayed away
 > from the Ed controversy. I'll give him a call this weekend
 > and see if he'll say anything about it.  >   Rex is a very solid hardware-
 >type investigator, so I
 > don't think he'd be going on hearsay or opinions.  >   I'll pass along
 >anything I find out.

While talking to them I am curious to know just what their
involvement is with the Gulf Breeze/Fyffe connection.  I have
understood in the past that they were heavily involved with some
type of connection.  Also, could you expand on your statement
above -- "very solid hardware-type investigator"?

Thanks,

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Odd Aircraft And X-31
Date: 20 Oct 90 08:33:00 GMT


 > From: [e-mail]
 > Date: 18 Oct 90 07:51:53 GMT
 > Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 > Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >
 > From: '23BMSDO' <[e-mail]>
 >
 > Mike -
 >   I think there is more to the recent Roswell fly-bys than first meets the
 > eye. After talking to the Flight Service Station people at Roswell field
 > less than a week afterward ...they made some comments that didn't point to
 > USAF aircraft. We don't drop flares and chaff on civilians.

Thanks for that text upload, Dave.  Could you expand on the above
statement regarding "more than meets the eye"?

I find it very interesting that suddenly we are being exposed to
the probability that what we have been seeing for a long time now
is, in essence, an advanced Stealth project.  I personally find
this explanation more viable than alien spacecraft.  Can you
comment on any of this?

Thanks,

Mike



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From: Tom Betz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 318
Date: 20 Oct 90 22:50:56 GMT


| From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
| Subject: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
|
| I am curious as to what part microwaves play in aerodynamics.  I
| have heard that microwaves are used.  For what?

You got me there.

[Speculation mode ON]

The speed of sound varies with the density of the medium.

It is possible that well-spaced high-intensity microwaves
could be used to vary the temperature (and therefore, the
density) of the air on the leading edge of a craft sufficiently
to make for a less-uniform pressure front, and thereby reduce the
coherency of a sonic boom; in effect turning it into a set of
smaller sonic 'poofs'.

I haven't read anything on the subject;  this is all off the top
of my head.  I'd be interested in what anyone else really knows
about the subject.

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From: [e-mail] (Don Sudduth)
Subject: Re: New Crop Circle Idea?
Date: 20 Oct 90 12:52:00 GMT

Those are interesting possiblities, however, the magnatude of symmetry
in the circles rules out dust devils and microbes.
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From: [e-mail] (Don Sudduth)
Subject: Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
Date: 20 Oct 90 12:58:00 GMT

I was under the impression that microwaves are used for the stealth
technology.  Almost like encasing the craft with a microwave sheath.
Does anyone else know??
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: UFO Mag
Date: 20 Oct 90 16:55:00 GMT

Don,

I finished reading the UFO Magazine and was very interested in
several aspects of it.  I would like to get a discussion going
about a couple of them.

For those that don't get the magazine, this issue deals with Stealth
technology, which we will discuss in this message.  In addition, in
the "Blue File," there was
an article written by Alice Bryant and Linda Seebach regarding a
discovery that deepens the cattle mutilation mystery with the
possible link between a chemical substance known as
"beta-carbolines" found in certain excised organs of mutilated
animals and human reaction to these substances which are
manufactured by our bodies, but in very small quantities.

According to the article on Page 7, Byrant and Seebach found an
article in the 1989 issue of "Brain/Mind Bulletin," which reports
"...that pharmacologist J.C. Callaway of the University of
California has hypothesized that the visions of dream sleep are
activated by psychedelic substances known as beta-carbolines.
Historically, beta-carboline substances in plants have been used
to produce group visions, far-seeing, out-of-body experiences,
clairvoyance and as an aid to predicting the future."  Where
other than plants are beta-carbolines found?  "...In human urine,
blood plasma and platelets, cerebral spinal fluid, the retina and
the pineal gland, parts that have been found missing from the
mutilated animals."

Bryant and Seebach speculate further by adding, "Since many
contactee/abductee experiences occur during the dream state, is
there a possible linkage between the missing parts of mutilation
phenomena and beta-carboline induction of dreams?  Is a mind
connection substance being manufactured and utilized from
biologically compatible materials found in animals?"

Although this sounds a highly speculative and the link appears at
best, weak, it does provide some food for thought.  Missing from
the piece is solid theory as to why the carcasses are being left
for discovery and a host of other things that make the mutilation
mystery so elusive to understanding.

My congratulations to Vicki Cooper for having the guts to advance
the thought that the rash of sightings that have occurred since
the early 80s may be the work of Stealth technology being tested.
As Vicki states in her article, "Techology Gets the Edge on
UFOs," "In our offbeat territory, lay discrimination between
'flying saucers' and 'advanced aircraft' has become the hugely
difficult task at hand."

Could the mystery surrounding UFOs be incarnated in the advanced
new aeronautic technology, and has this technology been
influenced by perhaps out-of-this-world architecture?  This is
what we must consider.

Vicki further states, "The extent of that crossover and its
usefulness in secret flight operations might serve to shore up
the debunkers' arguments, and deliver a pretty solid blow to the
ET hypothesis, but can we be certain the technology is altogether
human?"  Food for thought.

I would like to see some discussion on these points.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Brian Redman)
Subject: Re: Jfk's Ufo Connection?
Date: 19 Oct 90 01:34:00 GMT

> Is there any known connection whatsoever to the assassination of JFK
> and UFOs?
> --- ZMailQ 1.10 @1:207/109.0
>  * Origin: ParaNet(sm) Information Service HQ - [714]985-0666 LA, CA
> (1:207/320
                   I am not as knowledgeable as most others on this
forum, so I hesitate to reply. Yet apparently no one else has, so here
goes:
     What is noteworthy to me is that the mafia theorists don't
acknowledge the UFO theorists who don't acknowledge the seven sisters of
oil/Ari Onassis/Illuminati theorists who don't acknowledge the mafia
theorists.
     So basically it appears to be like any other research area, with
jealously guarded turf and over-specialization.
     The UFO theory as I understand it is JFK was about to reveal to the
American people the truth about the Krill insectoids living underground
in New Mexico and so these same Krills ordered JFK's assassination which
was carried out by means of possibly the Trilateral commision.
     And how was your day?.............

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From: [e-mail] (Brian Redman)
Subject: Re: Southern Hemisphere Se
Date: 19 Oct 90 01:43:08 GMT


     Good post! Thanks for the info.

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Kraus)
Subject: Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
Date: 21 Oct 90 23:20:00 GMT

I was under the impression that it was the paint that "absorbed the
radar"
                    MIKE.
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From: [e-mail] (Karen Robinson)
Subject: Re: Horse-patooties and sonic booms
Date: 22 Oct 90 05:48:10 GMT

p> | travelling at such a tremendous speed would HAVE to create a sonic b
p> | Since no sonic boom was reported, the entire article has to be class
p> | highly suspect.

p> (Presuming you ain't jivin' here) That ain't necessarily so.
p> Aerodynamicists have been working very hard on controlling the
p> shock wave around supersonic craft, reducing the included angle
p> of the cone, and 'wrapping' it around the craft itself, so it
p> never hits the ground, hence can not be heard.

p> It is quite possible that this has been accomplished in some of
p> these black-budget aircraft.

p> I'll review the postings again, and seek out this set of AvWeek
p> articles, to see if mention of this is made.

p> | Well, that's exactly the kind of crap you hear in the FIDO SCIENCE e
p> | anytime you mention UFOs.

p> Now, now, no need to slam these poor fools...
I am totally without knowledge on this particular subject, but couldn't
it be possible that the aircraft could travel JUST BELOW the speed that
normally would cause a boom? It would still be incredibly fast to
anyone observing. For example, if it takes an object flying at 1000 mph
(pardon my ignorance - just a guess) to cause a sonic boom, then maybe
an object flying at 900 mph or even 950 mph would be enough less speed
so as to avoid the boom. Isn't this plausible?

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Sonic Booms
Date: 22 Oct 90 04:56:11 GMT


 Here's a couple of messages I saved on a discussion of sonic booms right
here in this echo:


067/071 02 May 90 12:10:48
From:   shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack@sci
To:     All
Subj:   Sonic Booms & UFOs
Attr:
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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu![e-mail]
Date: 1 May 90 19:50:21 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: info.paranet

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

I am neither an engineer nor a physicist, but I have read that it is possible
to suppress sonic booms (as well as reduce drag) in at least two ways:

  (1) use a porous wing that sucks air in along the wing surface and vents it
      out the back;

  (2) emit microwaves along the wing surface to break up the laminar flow of
      the air.

I have also been told that the USAF has sponsored a lot of MHD and plasma
research that somehow relates to this problem.

Unfortunately, I lack the technical credentials to evaluate all this, and for
all I know it could be pure BS.  If anybody knows for sure, I would be glad to
hear it.

Speculation:  I am told that the F-117A (i.e., the Stealth fighter) is
subsonic.  Could this be a cover story for the fact that even when flying
supersonic it doesn't generate a sonic boom?


070/071 02 May 90 12:10:50
From:   athertn!Atherton.COM![e-mail]
To:     All
Subj:   Re:  Paranet Newsletter 211
Attr:
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From: athertn!Atherton.COM![e-mail]
Date: 2 May 90 17:17:33 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: info.paranet

From: [e-mail] (Alex Leavens)

Regarding Sonic Booms...
   There's been a fair bit of research done on avoiding sonic booms;  most
of it, unfortunately, is classified, so we can't get at it.  However, a few
interesting things are known--most of them have to do with imparting a failry
(er, that's _fairly_) serious electrical charge to the object (The reason
much of this is classified is because it has applicability to missile
nose-cones (ie nuclear warheads) during the re-entry phase of flight).
The principal here seems to be that if you impart a charge to the object
in the proper fashion, you can get the air molecules ahead of the
object to 'move out of the way' on their own accord.  So basically you're
creating a hole in the air in advance of the object (be it missile nose
cone or whatever) getting there;  since the actual object is never running
into air and shoving it aside at some huge rate, you don't get a sonic
boom.  (The NSA is hereby encouraged to point out any defects in my
summarization, <grin>)


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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Ed's video
Date: 21 Oct 90 20:34:00 GMT


  I waded through Maccabee's report on Ed's video, so  I have a few
more tidbits.
  I was wrong on the vertical variation. The object varied vertically
in the small section of video Maccabee analysed frame-by-frame by
about five to six video scan lines. He didn't say whether this was
apparently real altitude variations or camera movement. At any rate,
it's very small.
  Also, the object appeared to change shape slightly. Not enough to
see when viewing the tape, but measurably. Maccabee wrote that he
thought the top or bottom of the image of the object fell in between
scan lines of successive frames and that caused it to appear to change
height vertically.
  In general, while the video tape could be faked by using chromakey,
it would require maybe $10,000 worth of video/computer gear and the
knowledge of how to use it. Chromakey is how the weatherman appears to
walk around in front of a weather map on tv.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Krill
Date: 21 Oct 90 20:50:01 GMT


  Quite a while ago I read that John Lear and John Grace made up the
Krill material just to see what would happen, then had to madly run
around clarifying and apologizing when it was taken seriously.
  Can't remember where I came across that. Anyone have any
suggestions?

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Ed etc.
Date: 22 Oct 90 04:39:00 GMT


  I had a conversation with Rex this evening, and he confirmed what
you said.
  I can't go into any details, but the terms "smoking gun" might be
appropriate. Rex said he'd give me a call when he could talk freely,
and you'll see it here.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: The Salisberrys
Date: 22 Oct 90 05:32:02 GMT


 > While talking to them I am curious to know just what their
 > involvement is with the Gulf Breeze/Fyffe connection.  I have
 > understood in the past that they were heavily involved with some
 > type of connection.  Also, could you expand on your statement
 > above -- "very solid hardware-type investigator"?

  I talked with Rex before I got your message, but I have a few
answers anyway.
  Rex said that he'd heard of several connections between Gulf Breeze,
Fyffe and Ray G., but he said he hadn't really investigated them. He
said that Ray is a personal friend, so possibly that's where the idea
of heavy involvement comes from. He is aware of Ray's, shall we say,
accuracy of predictions.
  Rex tends to look for evidence you can hold in your hands, read or
glean from personal interviews. That as opposed to evidence which
might require blind belief somewhere along the way. In the case of
interviews, he'll seriously look for corroboration, rather than simply
believing a subject.
  Basically, if Rex says it, I'll buy it, because I believe he will
have investigated it every which way.

                                           jbh

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 320

                           Friday, October 26th 1990

Today's Topics:

                             Senator Claiborne Pell
                               Re:  Remote Viewing
                       Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
                                   Sonic Booms
                                   Ed's Video
                                      Krill
                                 The Salisberrys
                        No refutations of Remote Viewing
                               Gulf Breeze Update
                       Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Boom
                               Re: The Salisberrys
                                  Santa Barbara
                       Re: Horse-patooties and sonic booms
                                  Santa Barbara
                       Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
                       Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
                                   Sonic Booms
                               Gulf Breeze Update
                                     Rex S.
                        No Refutations Of Remote Viewing
                                 Hard Copy 10/25
                             Re: NEW CROP CIRCLE IDE
                                 Re: SONIC BOOMS
                            Navy Intelligence Crypto
                           Yet another AREA51 rumor...

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From: vanth!jms (James Shaffer Jr.)
Subject: Senator Claiborne Pell
Date: 22 Oct 90 15:49:31 GMT


This appeared on CompuServe recently:

ROCKNET
+#: 57122 S0/General/Misc.
+    20-Oct-90    00:36:26
+Sb: #Bush Backmasking?!?
+Fm: Doug Pappas 76615,662
+To: All
+
+CNN just reported that an aide to Sen. Claiborne Pell (D-R.I.) claims that when
+played backwards, speeches by George Bush, Defense Secretary Cheney and others
+reveal the word 'Simone.' The aide wrote to Bush asking whether this was some
+kind of secret code.
+
+Pell's a notorious nut case about these things -- for years he's had someone on
+his staff investigating UFOs and ESP -- but this may take the cake.

Between the JMP letter, Cooper's petition, Philadelphia Experiment fans,
the mind-control crowd (including that psycho in Berkeley who said the
gov't. owed him $14 trillion for using his brain), and all the rest, the
federal government must be getting pretty tired of finding this sort of
thing in their mailboxes!

Has anyone heard of Senator Pell?  If he's really interested in the
paranormal, as he seems to be, has he actually come up with any valid data,
or is he just another one of the Lear/Cooper/Grace/Commander X crowd?

----------
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From: [e-mail] (Keith A. Fredericks)
Subject: Re:  Remote Viewing
Date: 22 Oct 90 21:27:16 GMT


So anyway, I said:

KF > There are no so called refutations of this scholarly
KF > work in that same database of existing knowledge on the subject, i.e.
KF > in refereed scientific journals!

Then, Jim Speiser said:

JS >Are you saying that the results of peer-reviewed remote viewing experiments
JS >have never been refuted in peer-reviewed journals??

As far as I can see, my above statement is clear.  Are you asking for
clarification on this clear statement?

Give me information!  Do you know of references to scholarly publications
where there appears a refutation of the scholarly work done on remote
viewing?

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
Date: 23 Oct 90 03:00:00 GMT


 > I was under the impression that it was the paint that
 > "absorbed the radar"

>From what I have heard on this, the paint is a major factor in
what absorbs or alters the wave.  I think that it is composed of
some kind of carbon fiber or something in which the actual fibers
are around the same length as the wave.  However, this is as far
as I have heard on the subject.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Sonic Booms
Date: 23 Oct 90 03:04:00 GMT

Thanks for that post of the archives regarding sonic booms.
Something that also struck my curiousity is the posting about the
research on MHD.  Does anyone know what this is?

Also, wouldn't it be interesting to find that the advanced
technology in Stealth has something to do with Wilbert Smith's
(sp?) letter regarding EM research in the mid-50s?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Ed's Video
Date: 23 Oct 90 03:05:00 GMT


 >   I waded through Maccabee's report on Ed's video, so  I
 > have a few more tidbits.   I was wrong on the vertical
 > variation. The object varied vertically in the small
 > section of video Maccabee analysed frame-by-frame by about
 > five to six video scan lines. He didn't say whether this
 > was apparently real altitude variations or camera movement.
 > At any rate, it's very small.   Also, the object appeared
 > to change shape slightly. Not enough to see when viewing
 > the tape, but measurably. Maccabee wrote that he thought
 > the top or bottom of the image of the object fell in
 > between scan lines of successive frames and that caused it
 > to appear to change height vertically.   In general, while
 > the video tape could be faked by using chromakey, it would
 > require maybe $10,000 worth of video/computer gear and the
 > knowledge of how to use it. Chromakey is how the weatherman
 > appears to walk around in front of a weather map on tv.

Just a thought -- $10000.00 is a mere paltry investment on
return.  And, how could X-rays be used to fake photographs, if at
all?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Krill
Date: 23 Oct 90 03:06:00 GMT


 >   Quite a while ago I read that John Lear and John Grace
 > made up the Krill material just to see what would happen,
 > then had to madly run around clarifying and apologizing
 > when it was taken seriously.
 >   Can't remember where I came across that. Anyone have any
 > suggestions?

If I am not mistaken, it was from John's own lips on George
Knapp's "Cooper" scooper.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: The Salisberrys
Date: 23 Oct 90 03:08:00 GMT


 >   I talked with Rex before I got your message, but I have a
 > few answers anyway.   Rex said that he'd heard of several
 > connections between Gulf Breeze, Fyffe and Ray G., but he
 > said he hadn't really investigated them. He said that Ray
 > is a personal friend, so possibly that's where the idea of
 > heavy involvement comes from. He is aware of Ray's, shall
 > we say, accuracy of predictions.   Rex tends to look for
 > evidence you can hold in your hands, read or glean from
 > personal interviews. That as opposed to evidence which
 > might require blind belief somewhere along the way. In the
 > case of interviews, he'll seriously look for corroboration,
 > rather than simply believing a subject.   Basically, if Rex
 > says it, I'll buy it, because I believe he will have
 > investigated it every which way.

With this in mind, what is his report on the whole subject?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Keith A. Fredericks)
Subject: No refutations of Remote Viewing
Date: 23 Oct 90 18:23:06 GMT


Jim Speiser wrote:

JS >Are you saying that the results of peer-reviewed remote viewing experiments
JS >have never been refuted in peer-reviewed journals??

I asked Roger Nelson of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research
Laboratory if there were any refutations of the scholarly work done
on remote viewing.

Roger Nelson Writes:

+I don't know of any 'refutations' that could hold their own, but there
+are criticisms.  With regard to our own work, we have welcomed
+critical comment, and in some cases learned something new about the
+database as a result of addressing the questions raised by outside
+readers.  We have extended the analyses of our data and found that
+they remain persuasive, indeed are more so as a result of looking more
+deeply.

The criticisms that I found were:

E. Karnes and E. Sussman, Psycholog. Rep., 44, 471 (1979)
E. Karnes, J. Ballou, E. Sussman and F. Swaroff, Psycholog. Rep., 45, 963 (1979)
E. Karnes, E. Sussman, P. Klusman and L. Turcotte, Zetetic Scholar, 6, 66 (1980)

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Gulf Breeze Update
Date: 23 Oct 90 19:15:00 GMT

I just got off the telephone with Rex and Carol Salisbury from
Gulf Breeze, Florida.  As you may know, they are MUFON
investigators who have investigated the Gulf Breeze case closely
in the past and up to the present.

Recently, our affiliate correspondent, John Hicks, made
reference to the possibility that Rex and Carol, previously
advocates of the authenticity of the Gulf Breeze UFO, might be
having a change of heart due to recent evidence discovered in
their investigative process that sheds a different light on the
credibility of Ed Walters and the infamous Gulf Breeze UFO
pictures.

The controversy is centered on the finding of a model of the
Gulf Breeze UFO discovered some months back in the house that Ed
and Francis Walters lived in during the period of time that the
UFO photographs were taken.  According to reports received, the
model is a very striking likeness to the UFOs portrayed in the
photographs.  This model was constructed with a type of
construction paper used to detail architectural drawings for
building plans, and the paper contained plans for a home that Ed
Walters was being contracted to build. Walters responded that
the plans were of a home that he was designing to build around
Labor Day, 1989, and that the plans were drawn after his
sightings, therefore, the theory that the model being the model
used for the photographs doesn't check out.  Ed further slammed
the critics as being the culprits in planting the model in the
attic to further discredit him.

However, Rex and Carol Salisbury, being impartial and forthright
investigators not willing to buy into something just because
everyone else does, decided to further investigate this and have
discovered some very interesting things which do not do much for
Ed Walters' case.

It is Rex's belief that due to numerous discrepancies found in
the actual drawings and the circumstances surrounding them, that
the drawings were not originally drawn up in 1989 as Ed alleges,
but were drawn up in 1986 or 1987.

The original house that the plans detail were for Lot D,
Williamsburg Estates with an address of 712 Jamestown Drive.
However, the house was eventually built at 700 Jamestown Drive,
a corner lot.  Recently, Mayor Gray, called a meeting and
disclosed that the original plans for 712 Jamestown Drive, the
actual plans that match the plans contained on the UFO model,
were missing from City Hall records and had been substituted
with plans for another house, indicating that someone had come
into City Hall and pilfered the records.  Rex talked to the
caretaker of the library at City Hall who keeps the building
plans, and discovered that shortly after the model had been
found, Ed and Francis Walters came in and stayed for about five
minutes.  Ed claimed that he had to leave to go get his glasses.
He left and later returned that afternoon alone and stayed
another five minutes and then left.  It is suspected that
someone in concert with Ed used the side door to the room where
the plans are stored, and came in and exchanged the plans that
afternoon.

Rex also points out that the tapes of the conversation of Tommy
Smith with Mayor Gray were subjected to voice stress analysis by
two independent sources. It has been determined by both sources
that Tommy Smith is telling the truth. Smith, as you know,
alleges that he was involved with Ed in the hoax.

Finally, Rex points out that Maccabee's dates do not jive.
Photos 22 & 23 were allegedly taken on February 8, 1988.
However, in the MUFON symposium proceedings of 1988, there is a
discrepancy in these dates as reported by Maccabee in two
different areas.  One shows that the photos were taken on
February 8th and the other states that photos were taken on
January 26th.  Dr. Willy Smith alleges that Budd Hopkins was
visiting on February 8th and spent all day with the Walters'
thus making it necessary to change the date to January 26th.
 Very interesting indeed.

What is of utmost interest here is the people involved in this.
If it turns out to be a hoax, what is left is several highly
placed individuals holding the bag.  For example, Bruce Maccabee
and Budd Hopkins, who, at least as far as Maccabee is concerned,
have staked a lot on this case.  Hopkins makes the necessary
disclaimer in the forward of Ed's book, however just his
endorsement of the case has placed him in a very awkward
position with it.  And, finally, MUFON.  MUFON has done the most
damage to the credibility of the UFO field by buying into this
hook, line and sinker.  As you may remember, there was so much
strife over this Gulf Breeze case that a large contingency of
MUFON's heirarchy either resigned or was fired by Walt Andrus
because of their negative response to MUFON's alleged
"scientific" investigation of the case and subsequent
endorsement of its authenticity.  It leaves very big questions
such as motivation for how these individuals could be "duped" so
badly.  As you may recall, some big money changed hands with
Maccabee and Andrus as part of an arrangement with Ed Walters.
Perhaps these issues should be investigated a little more
closely.

Although we still do not have all the answers on this one, Rex
and Carol will keep us informed at ParaNet of the details as
they become available.  ParaNet asked Rex if it was true that he
and Carol were resigning from MUFON before Walt could remove
them. Rex did not make a comment either way on this, however if
things hold true to the past performance by Walt Andrus, we
could see them looking into MUFON from the outside.

Mike

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From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Boom
Date: 24 Oct 90 02:22:29 GMT


Here's another theory, courtesy of 'The White Sands Incident' by Daniel
Fry (Los Angeles:  New Age Publishing Co., 1954), p 23.:

     The hull has a field about it which repels all other matter.
     The field is very powerful at molecular distances but diminishes
     by the seventh power of the distance so that the force becomes
     negligible a few microns away from the hull. ... [The field]
     lowers air friction tremendously when it is necessary to travel
     at high speed through an atmosphere.

Thirty-six years ago this was obviously total malarkey.  In 1990, with
some of the stuff that's going in in theoretical physics, it's not so
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: The Salisberrys
Date: 23 Oct 90 20:40:00 GMT

In a message to Michael Corbin <10-21-90 22:32> John Hicks wrote:

>   Rex tends to look for evidence you can hold in your
> hands, read or glean from personal interviews. That as
> opposed to evidence which might require blind belief
> somewhere along the way. In the case of interviews, he'll
> seriously look for corroboration, rather than simply
> believing a subject.
>   Basically, if Rex says it, I'll buy it, because I believe
> he will have investigated it every which way.

I spoke with Rex today and I came away very impressed with his philosophies
on this subject and his methods.  We'll just have to see what happens next.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Santa Barbara
Date: 21 Oct 90 15:57:00 GMT


I'm curious: How many people here are planning on attending the upcoming Santa
Barbara conference? And does anyone want me to re-post the details?

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Horse-patooties and sonic booms
Date: 22 Oct 90 14:02:00 GMT


 > I am totally without knowledge on this particular subject, but couldn't
 > it be possible that the aircraft could travel JUST BELOW the speed that
 > normally would cause a boom? It would still be incredibly fast to
 > anyone observing. For example, if it takes an object flying at 1000 mph
 > (pardon my ignorance - just a guess) to cause a sonic boom, then maybe
 > an object flying at 900 mph or even 950 mph would be enough less speed
 > so as to avoid the boom. Isn't this plausible?

When you see a jet flying at cruising altitude, you are watching something
travel roughly 650 miles an hour, which is only about 75 miles an hour slower
than the speed of sound. I get the impression from the eyewitness accounts
that the objects in question were travelling at a MUCH faster apparent speed,
and therefore had to have been way beyond the sound "barrier".

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Santa Barbara
Date: 24 Oct 90 06:39:00 GMT


 > I'm curious: How many people here are planning on attending
 > the upcoming Santa Barbara conference? And does anyone want
 > me to re-post the details?

I will be there, and, yes, please repost the details.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Kraus)
Subject: Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
Date: 24 Oct 90 07:59:00 GMT


 >  > I was under the impression that it was the paint that
 >  > "absorbed the radar"
 > From what I have heard on this, the paint is a major factor
 > in what absorbs or alters the wave.  I think that it is
 > composed of some kind of carbon fiber or something in which
 > the actual fibers are around the same length as the wave.
 > However, this is as far as I have heard on the subject.
 >
 > Mike
Thank you Mike,That's more than I knew before.
                         MIKE.
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Kraus)
Subject: Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
Date: 24 Oct 90 08:13:00 GMT


 >  > I was under the impression that it was the paint that
 >  > "absorbed the radar"
 > From what I have heard on this, the paint is a major factor
 > in what absorbs or alters the wave.  I think that it is
 > composed of some kind of carbon fiber or something in which
 > the actual fibers are around the same length as the wave.
 > However, this is as far as I have heard on the subject.
 >
 > Mike

I know nothing of radar.I'm just an electronics Tech. But if the
carbon fibers are cut to the the length of the wave,couldnt the
enemy change the frequency?
                   Regards,
                          MIKE.
Evidently,It's far more complex than a simple paint job (-:
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Sonic Booms
Date: 24 Oct 90 03:31:26 GMT

In a message of <22 Oct 90 20:04:00>, Michael Corbin (1:207/110) writes:

 >Thanks for that post of the archives regarding sonic booms. Something
 >that also struck my curiousity is the posting about the research on MHD.
 >Does anyone know what this is?

 I think it is an engine that works by altering the magnetic charge of whatever
passes through it. If I'm right, then this is the type of drive system that was
used on the submarine in the movie Hunt For Red October.

 Sorry but I don't remember enough about the article to explain how it works. I
think I read of it in the New York Times science section (published on
Tuesdays) a few months back.


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Gulf Breeze Update
Date: 24 Oct 90 04:01:58 GMT

In a message of <23 Oct 90 12:15:00>, Michael Corbin (1:207/110) writes:

 >Recently, Mayor
 >Gray, called a meeting and disclosed that the original plans for 712
 >Jamestown Drive, the actual plans that match the plans contained on the
 >UFO model, were missing from City Hall records and had been substituted
 >with plans for another house, indicating that someone had come into City
 >Hall and pilfered the records.

 Depending on the procedures of a municipality, there may be another set of
plans filed at the county. Also, to get a mortgage on new construction, the
bank or lender would require a set of plans. The lender gives it to an
appraiser who would appraise the dwelling based on the plans. The appraiser
will most likely return the plans to the lender and the lender will file them.
Plans from the lender aren't public records but the mortgage papers are so it
can be determined which bank holds the mortgage and therefore, the plans.
(Isn't Ed Gray associated with a bank? Maybe the same bank?) If you speak with
the Salisbury's again, perhaps you can mention it.

 >It is suspected that someone
 >in concert with Ed used the side door to the room where the plans are
 >stored, and came in and exchanged the plans that afternoon.

 Just about everything that arrives in a government office is date/time
stamped. Something to look for.

 Funny, but no matter what one's feelings about the Gulf Breeze events are,
there's a conspiracy going on. It's either a true account and the conspiracy
is to discredit it; or it's a hoax and it's a conspiracy to continue it.


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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Rex S.
Date: 23 Oct 90 16:30:01 GMT


  I just thought of something else which involved Rex S. and Fyffe.
  He e said that he'd investigated the "computer voice" that was
broadcast over police freqs in the Fyffe area.
  Rex said he'd found that the incident really did occur, and that he
found no evidence of a hoax. Also he said that the person who may have
been though to be connected with the incident was in Gulf Breeze, out
of radio range, at the time.
  Of f course it's easy to transmit on any freq in order to perpetrate a
hoax, but I understand the same voice was also heard at other times on
telephones.
  As I understand it, the voice predicted some events in Fyffe (which
later occured).

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: No Refutations Of Remote Viewing
Date: 25 Oct 90 02:43:00 GMT


 > From: [e-mail] (Keith A. Fredericks)
 >
 > I asked Roger Nelson of the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research
 > Laboratory if there were any refutations of the scholarly work done
 > on remote viewing.
 >
 > Roger Nelson Writes:
 >
 > +I don't know of any 'refutations' that could hold thei own, but there
 > +are criticisms.  With regard to our own work, we have welcomed
 > +critical comment, and in some cases learned something new about the
 > +database as a result of addressing the questions raised by outside
 > +readers.  We have extended the analyses of our data and found that
 > +they remain persuasive, indeed are more so as a result of looking more
 > +deeply.

I would be very interested in looking at his research work.
Could you please arrange it, Keith?

Thanks,

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Hard Copy 10/25
Date: 25 Oct 90 03:00:00 GMT

Be sure to watch Hard Copy on October 25, 1990.  They will be
running a story on the Belgium UFO.  They previewed the program
tonight with some film footage of the UFO.  It was fairly clear
and showed a circular object with a notch in the top and the
bottom with what appeared to be an antenna or some protrusion
coming through the middle of the top most notch.  The program
should be interesting.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: NEW CROP CIRCLE IDE
Date: 22 Oct 90 20:25:03 GMT

Yes I posted a message with the same thoughts last month. Chances are that
someone beat us both to it the day after the sightings? I just was thinking
besides a fungus or virus, or ??? that might naturally make circles (not
those fancy new designs) what else mught work. Gee I remember spraying weed
killer on Poison Ivy it sure wilted, I remember plants without enough
moisture wilt, the list goes on. Here's another one, something that destroys
the cells walls so they colapse slowely, therefore do not break or bend the
smalls capillary tubes. Gow about extreme cold, freezes the cells, they
rupture, stop carrying fluids, and fold. Just like plants in the winter.

I still will contend that if there are real circles = 1) The new versions
are hoaxes for publicity 2) They are not a result of UFOs even if they are
real type circles 3) This is just another waste of time that repeats itself
in various forms throught the months. What will it be next month?

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: SONIC BOOMS
Date: 22 Oct 90 20:47:00 GMT

Another possible solution (one of the more obvious ones) is that the plane
is flying so high that the sonic boom is not heard. I don't know at what
altitude these planes were supposed to have been sighted, but two things
happen, at least, 1) the distance from the plane becomes greater, the sound
does not travel to Earth. 2) The atmosphere is thinner and less needs to be
pushed out of the way.

I forget the number but after 5 miles you cannot hear thunder from
lightening (someone correct me if you have the exact distance).

Speed of sound is 760.98mph STP

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From: [e-mail] (David Stager)
Subject: Navy Intelligence Crypto
Date: 25 Oct 90 17:43:00 GMT

I've uploaded a file called KENNEDY.TXT to Paranet Alpha.  This is the
original story that broke later this year alleging that operatives of
the CIA or Navy Intelligence assassinated John F. Kennedy.  Since Navy
Intelligence is strongly associated with UFO cover-ups, I wanted to
pass this information along to Paranet members for their perusal.
Please reply to me if you have anything to contribute regarding this
information.  Anyone who is/was a cryptographer is encouraged to
evaluate the messages included and try to interpret the coded
information which may be included.  DCS
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From: 'JIM GRAHAM' <[e-mail]>
Subject: Yet another AREA51 rumor...
Date: 26 Oct 90 01:11:42 GMT



I found this on sci.skeptic and thought some might find it
interesting.  If not, please excuse the waste of bandwidth.

--------------------

+From: [e-mail] (Steve Reiser)
+Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,sci.space
+Subject: Re: UFO on TV in Nevada
+Date: 25 Oct 90 17:49:43 GMT
+Organization: Winco Process Development, Idaho
+
+There is a manager here who's brother works on a top secret job at this
+hangar 51 - I won't gives names and may be risking my neck even posting
+this.  However, when the guy here asked his brother about all this UFO
+stuff, he just smiled and beat around the bush not denying any of the
+speculations, but hinted that more info has leaked to the public than
+should have.
+
+All the guys who work there are flown out of the Las Vegas area by a
+Boeing jetwhich takes a devious low level flight course so that
+employees can't be followed if they were to drive to this area.
+
+Keep investigating and keep an open mind (neither gullible or skeptical)
+
+Steve
+
+
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 321

                          Saturday, October 27th 1990

Today's Topics:

                                     Belgium
                                   Belgium UFO
                                   Ed's Video
                                      Krill
                                 The Salisberrys
                                 Re: Ed's Video
                                 The Salisberrys
                                      MUFON
                                Reprint of letter
                               HARD COPY/BEL. UFO
                             Re: HARD COPY/BEL. UFO
                              Re: Reprint Of Letter
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Belgium
Date: 26 Oct 90 03:21:00 GMT

Just watched the UFO story from Belgium on Hard Copy.  I must say
that I was very impressed with the quality of the report and the
way that it was handled by the producers of Hard Copy.

This case seems to have all the affirmative signs of
authenticity.  It has several eyewitnesses with correlated radar
trackings, and it contains a high level of strangeness
considering the data already collected on it, including several
films made of the object with a daylight film containing fairly
clear pictures of the object hovering.

So far, the information that has been released is that it has
been observed to be traveling at speeds as low as 15 miles per
hour and sudden acceleration up to twice the speed of sound,
approximately 1500 mph.  The g force has been placed at 40 during
some of its accelerations -- many times more than a human being
could withstand.  It has also been observed emitting a
reddish-glow.  It appears that there may two different type
objects involved -- the daylight film clearly shows a round
object which appears to have a hole in the center, or at least an
impression of some sort, and what appears to be two notches in
its circumference.  During slow motion of the video, it appears
that the notch in the bottom is moving around the object while
the one at the top remains still.   It is not possible to
determine if we are looking at the bottom of the object or the
side of it.  The other reports detail a triangular-shaped
aircraft that has three lights with "a bunch of yellow stars,"
reports one eyewitness who got a real close-up look at the object
as it flew over her house.

The Belgian military and government is so concerned about this
matter that they are launching a formal investigation.  The
military has dispatched American-made F-16s to chase the object,
however the pilots have reported making contact with it, but are
unable to keep up with it.  It has been recorded on radar to
display remarkable maneuvers that are beyond normal explanation.

ParaNet is attempting to open up an electronic link to the
University in Belgium where study is being conducted.  We will
keep you posted on the progress of this.  It is our desire to get
a link there via our UUCP feed.  Anyone getting information on
this as it becomes available is encouraged to post it.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Belgium UFO
Date: 26 Oct 90 06:16:00 GMT

To all ParaNet Users;

In reference to the Hard Copy segment on the Belgium UFO
sightings, Hard Copy interviewed Vicki Cooper ( Co-Publish of UFO
Magazine ) and myself on 10/24/90. They wished to get our
reactions on the Belgium footage, that has never been observed in
the United States.  During the course of the viewing, I observed
the witnesses that were interviewed, and although they were
speaking French, the producer had furnished us with a transcript
in English.  The witnesses were to a person, highly disturbed by
what they had witnessed, and none believed that what was seen was
of a terrestial nature.  We were able to watch the entire tape
that Hard Copy had been furnished, and the photo's and video tape
were amazing.  During one segment, a close up of one of the
night-time objects was projected, and in slow motion, I was able
to see what appeared to be a series of "spokes" or "struts" that
appeared to connect the lights.  It was most unusual to say the
least. The photo of the "disk" was the one object that I felt
demonstrated the "highest strangest" of all the objects. I
genuinely felt unease while watching that.

Prior to this segment, I felt there was a great possibility that
these objects "could" have been U. S. experimental craft, along
the lines of Tony Gonsalves B-2 Bomber hypotheses, but after
watching the clips, not to mention what these objects were
capable of doing, such as making approx. 40 G dives, and
outrunning the Belgium F-16 fighter aircraft, I am not quite as
sure.  High Strangeness* * * * indeed!

Don

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Ed's Video
Date: 25 Oct 90 18:45:01 GMT


 MC> Just a thought -- $10000.00 is a mere paltry investment on

 True. But a fairly high knowledge is required, which means at least one
more person who knows. Plus, it's certainly not a sure thing.

 MC>   And, how could X-rays be used to fake photographs,
 MC> if at all?

  X-rays?  Where'd you get that?
  Well, lessee. X-rays will fog ordinary film, or could be used to form an
image in exactly the same way visible light would form an image. With
ordinary film, the X-ray source would have to be rather strong, since
ordinary film wouldn't be especially sensitive to X-ray.
  A big bugaboo you'd run into if you were trying to form an image with a
camera in the X-ray wavelengths is that the common camera optics wouldn't
focus the image very well. The usual X-ray machines, such as your dentist
uses, for all practical purposes makes a contact image. No optics are
involved.
  It's certainly possible to use optics, but huge bucks would probably be
involved. Low demand so high per-unit costs.
  I know an optical engineer so I'll bounce the question off him.
  My opinion is that the use of X-rays in trying to fake a photo would be a
royal PITA with no particular advantage. I seriously doubt you could bring
visible light and X-rays to a common focus on film.
  If I wanted to use a relatively invisible light to make an image without
witnesses being the wiser, I'd look at UV or IR. Again, the sources would
have to be fairly strong.

                                        jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Krill
Date: 25 Oct 90 18:46:02 GMT


 MC> If I am not mistaken, it was from John's own lips on George
 MC> Knapp's "Cooper" scooper.

  That seems to ring a bell. Thanks.

                        jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: The Salisberrys
Date: 25 Oct 90 18:51:03 GMT


 MC> With this in mind, what is his report on the whole subject?

  That's just the problem right now. Since this is a MUFON investigation, we
won't really know until Walt releases the report. It's up to the rest of us
to make sure the report, if it's opposed to Walt's position, isn't just
buried.
  Rex is holding his info very closely and waiting for Walt to release the
report.

                                                jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Ed's Video
Date: 26 Oct 90 07:32:00 GMT

In regard to the relatively little movement (only  a few scan lines) of
the UFO, you still haven't really commented on how you would reconcile
the supposed authenticity of the video with the extreme difficulty of
holding a camera so steady, esp when any normal person would be very
excited at taking a photo of a UFO.  I'm just looking at it from the
two perspectives of it either being authentic or a staged hoax.  If it
was authentic  it would seem vitually an impossiblity that ED managed
to take a video with such a steady hand.  However, if it was hoaxed by
setting up a model on a stick (or whatever) and the camera on a tripod,
the "stick" could be held against the ground and moved side to side and
back to back to produce the allusion of slight movement of a distant
object and the movement recorded on the tape would only cover a few
scan lines.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: The Salisberrys
Date: 26 Oct 90 07:44:00 GMT


 >   That's just the problem right now. Since this is a MUFON
 > investigation, we won't really know until Walt releases the
 > report. It's up to the rest of us to make sure the report,
 > if it's opposed to Walt's position, isn't just buried.
 > Rex is holding his info very closely and waiting for Walt
 > to release the report.

Well, considering the past performance of his highness, Mr.
International Director, that could be a bloody battle.  I often
wonder just how many more of those mass schisms can occur before
Walt is left with just himself and his dog <g>.

Thanks for the info, John.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: MUFON
Date: 26 Oct 90 07:58:00 GMT

I talked over the telephone with Walt Andrus the other day and
was less than surprised at his current attitude over the
situation in Gulf Breeze.  It appears that he is facing another
exodus en masse from his rank and file over his insistency in
backing up Gulf Breeze.  It was truly refreshing to talk with
Rex Salisbury as I realized that MUFON's reputation hinges on
people like Rex and Carol pulling for them.

However, what will be left should the Salisbury's be "removed"
as have all of the other credible researchers who were previously
involved in MUFON?

It appears certain that MUFON has gone down in flames as the
once highly respected UFO investigative organization.  But, as
all good things must come to a close, MUFON has given way to a
host of pseudo-scientific, new-agey-type philosophies and
leadership destined to destroy whatever credibility might be
left.  Could this be a replay of the good old NICAP days?  As
you may recall, NICAP, once a strong, solid organization was
brought down by the infiltration of its leadership by government
types who ravaged its credibility until it was eventually so
weak that no one could begin to take it seriously.

Nevertheless, the handwriting is on the wall and it will be
interesting to see how successfully ufology will be able to
spring back from this most unfortunate assault.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Reprint of letter
Date: 26 Oct 90 08:14:00 GMT

I thought that this letter from Marge Christensen was appropriate
for reprinting.

                   MUFON, 1990 - An Organization At Risk

                            by Marge Christensen

The Gulf Breeze case has recently come crashing down around the
investigators   and  proponents  of  the  case,  and   when   the
aftershocks  cease and all of the pieces settle, there is a  good
chance  that  many of the fragments will have  MUFON  written  on
them. For the past three years, this case has torn Ufologists and
UFO  organizations apart, and it is likely that the  damage  will
not  be repaired in the near future, if ever. Can  MUFON  survive
this  crisis and salvage any semblance of credibility or is  this
the beginning of the end for MUFON?

Let's  examine  the  facts.  In May,  1988,  Walt  Andrus  stated
(concerning  the  Gulf  Breeze case) in the  MUFON  UFO  JOURNAL,
"...if   the  investigation  discloses  that  a  hoax  has   been
perpetrated  upon the UFO community, MUFON will be the  first  to
acknowledge and announce this revelation."
Then,  in  the  August,  1988  MUFON  UFO  JOURNAL,  Walt  Andrus
announced  that  it was no longer necessary to preface  the  Gulf
Breeze  Case with a disclaimer that it is either one of the  most
incredible  cases in UFO history or a fantastically  orchestrated
hoax.  Andrus concluded, "The overwhelming evidence is  in.  Gulf
Breeze  is indeed one of the most incredible cases in modern  UFO
history." He further commented, "Gulf Breeze is a solid case  and
you read it first in the MUFON UFO JOURNAL."

At  that  time, in response to statements such  as  those  quoted
above,  various persons in MUFON leadership positions,  including
this  author, spoke out and called for a much more  cautious  and
objective stand on the part of MUFON in regard to the Gulf Breeze
case, at least until all of the evidence was in. In the December,
1988  issue  of the MUFON UFO Journal, Richard Hall  warned  that
Walt  Andrus,  Budd Hopkins, and Bruce  Maccabee  had  apparently
already  had their minds made up and were helping Ed  Walters  to
write  a book. Hall pointed out, rightly so, that their  approach
"departs  drastically from long-established scientific  procedure
(including published MUFON procedure)."

At that time, I voiced similar objections to both Walt Andrus and
Don Ware to no avail. Both of them responded that they felt  that
these  sightings were proof of extraterrestrial visitation.  They
accused  me  of  being too conservative,  and  Walt  Andrus  then
announced  the appointment of a new Director of Public  Relations
to replace me.

Even more damaging comments are found in Ed and Frances  Walters'
book,  THE GULF BREEZE SIGHTINGS, published this year by  William
Morrow  &  Co.,  Inc. In the chapter,  "Investigation  and  Photo
Analysis," Dr. Bruce Maccabee, optical physicist, writes: "Having
studied these sightings `every which way' for more than a year  I
have concluded that they are proof of the existence of UFOs." Dr.
Maccabee  adds that UFO sightings have been reported for over  40
years  but  have been ignored or publicly disputed because  of  a
lack of thoroughly convincing proof that UFOs are actually flying
in our skies. Now, he adds, "that proof is here."

In Appendix 3 of the book, Walt Andrus speculates on the solution
to the UFO enigma occurring in Gulf Breeze and paints a  possible
scenario  that  might  be unfolding. That  scenario  includes  Ed
Walters,  "successful businessman and civic citizen was  probably
selected  for  the  ultimate disclosure so that  the  events  and
evidence would be thoroughly investigated and hopefully  accepted
by the scientific community as factual and not easily ignored  as
an obvious hoax."

Perhaps  the  most farfetched claim of all, though,  is  that  of
Donald Ware, MUFON State Director for Florida and Eastern  States
Director for MUFON. Ware's position statement on the Gulf  Breeze
sightings,  published  in Appendix 3 of Walters' book,  reads  as
follows: "I am convinced that these sightings are proof of  alien
visitation.  The level of technology demonstrated indicates  they
can  come and go at will and can reside in a variety  of  places:
the bottoms of our oceans, inside major high-altitude ice fields,
in earth orbit, on the moon, on Mars, etc..."
Ware adds that the feels that the UFOs deliberately allowed Ed to
have  18 photographic sessions because the aliens want people  to
see the photographs.

Clearly  the  statements above are not based  on  any  scientific
principles  and are in direct contradiction to the  MUFON  policy
page  included  in each year's MUFON UFO  Symposium  Proceedings.
This   policy  page  states  that  MUFON  is  "an   international
scientific  organization composed of people seriously  interested
in studying and researching the UFO phenomenon..." It goes on  to
hail the MUFON Board of Consultants which is comprised mostly  of
PhDs  and  MDs  in  a wide variety  of  areas  of  expertise.  It
continues,  "In order that only qualified, competent and  sincere
people may become involved, membership in MUFON is by  invitation
only."

The  statements  of  persons discussed above make  a  mockery  of
published MUFON policy and of all that MUFON claims to stand for.
Furthermore,  in  light of the recent revelations  regarding  the
hoax behind the Gulf Breeze case, the implications of these three
individuals' statements are even more damaging to the credibility
of the MUFON organization.

In  my  opinion,  it is bad enough  that  trained  investigators,
including a respected optical physicist and photoanalysis expert,
and a former USAF Col. were totally deceived by a con-man such as
Ed  Walters.  However, it is worse yet that  these  same  trained
investigators  rushed to judgement and made such rash claims  not
only publicly, but in print. Moreover, these statements were made
by these persons not merely as individuals, but as MUFON officers
and  investigators.  Is this  serious,  scientific  investigative
methodology?  Hardly.  Furthermore, making  these  statements  as
MUFON representatives is a direct violation of the MUFON public
information policy guidelines.

In  short,  _the party's over and it's time for  the  charade  to
end._

Let's  face  the  facts. MUFON is  _not_  a  serious,  scientific
research  organization.  Rather it has become nothing but  a  pop
club for people with the mutual interest in reading good  stories
about UFO cases.

In my opinion, it will not be possible for MUFON to be in reality
a  serious, scientific research organization unless there is  new
leadership  of  the  organization.  Since  that  appears  to   be
extremely  unlikely, I see no alternative but to resign from  the
MUFON  Board of Directors and to resign the post of  Director  of
Public Education at this time.

Interestingly,  at the 1988 MUFON Symposium at the University  of
Nebraska, in my paper, entitled "Hynek's Last Wish for  Ufology,"
I  suggested that the goal for ufologists to strive for  in  1988
should  be  _professionalism_. I pointed out that the  major  UFO
organizations   do   have  established  statements   of   values,
standards,   goals  and  objectives,  but  in  many  cases,   the
membership does not take them seriously. I further added that  it
isn't  enough to pay lip service to these statements or  to  make
the organizations appear scientific and professional on paper. We
must make that commitment to put those statements and values into
action in our work in the UFO field.

Although I received a great deal of positive feedback on my paper
from those in attendance, it is obvious that while MUFON  leaders
approved  of  the  talk,  to  them it  was  just  that  --  talk.
Unfortunately, there was no real commitment of action to back  up
the philosophy expressed in that paper.

A  highly  respected colleague recently commented that  MUFON  is
much  more than these few individuals who have been acting in  an
unscientific  manner.  There are many people who are  doing  good
work for us. The question now is: Are there enough good people in
the  organization  to  put  MUFON  back  on  course  to   renewed
credibility and continued existence?

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From: [e-mail] (Frank Cox)
Subject: HARD COPY/BEL. UFO
Date: 26 Oct 90 18:15:00 GMT

Just saw the Hard Copy report on the UFOs over Belgium and must agree
with others here about the even handed reporting of the events by that
organization. Not too sensational, but yet they did cover the events as
thouroughly as television time would allow. I was most impressed by the
fact that the Belgian military was so open and up front about the
entire affair. Now if someone would convince the US military that with
holding information is going to cause much more serious problems in the
long run and full disclosure is the only reasonable, decent and perhaps
intellegent thing to do!! When it finally does come out, public
confidence in government will be non existant anyway. With the mess in
DC now, what else can they do?
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From: [e-mail] (Don Sudduth)
Subject: Re: HARD COPY/BEL. UFO
Date: 26 Oct 90 21:22:00 GMT

I was not very impressed, however, by the videos of the UFOs on HARD
COPY.  The first one looked very much like a distant light out of
focus.  The second one showed only three lights in a triangle pattern
with no visible fore or background features.  The reporting was pretty
good (including the short interview with Vicki Cooper and Don Ecker).
Not much air time, though.
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From: [e-mail] (Don Sudduth)
Subject: Re: Reprint Of Letter
Date: 26 Oct 90 21:25:00 GMT

Ouch!  She's right, however.  MUFON needs help!
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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: ParaNet Zeti Ret.
Date: 27 Oct 90 19:39:00 GMT

To All:

I just spoke to Jim Speiser and found out he had some tech.
problems that caused Jim to go off line.  However, ParaNet Zeti
Ret. aka <Swamp Gas> will be up and running on Monday, October
29th.

FYI---Grin

Don

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 322

                           Tuesday, October 30th 1990

Today's Topics:

                                   Fry's book
                                 computer voices
                                       MHD
              real or reality-based paranormal phenomena in fiction
                         MUFON and organizational safety
                          MHD - magneto hydro dynamics
                                Re: Santa Barbara
                       Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
                               Re: The Salisberrys
                                 Re: SONIC BOOMS
                                      Blum
                                  Paranet.alpha
                           Pixies' paen to grey bases.

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From: [e-mail] (John H. Chalmers Jr.)
Subject: Fry's book
Date: 28 Oct 90 05:58:39 GMT


In reply to a posting about Daniel Fry  and the 'White Sands
Incident,' I try to follow at least qualitatively new developments
in particle physics and I have seen nothing about a repulsive
field that diminishes as the 7th power of the distance. The normal
inverse square relation for electrical and gravitational fields is
a consequence of the conservation of energy,the 3-D character
of space, and the zero mass of the photon and graviton, the
hypothetical carrier of the gravitational force.  All other
known forces are carried by particles having large masses and therefore
have very short ranges, much less than an atomic diameter).
None of the postulated  5th or 6th quasi-gravitational forces have been
confirmed. The Higgs  force or something like it must exist to give other
particles mass, but the carrier(s) must be very massive and thus would have
very short ranges. In short, Fry's force still sounds like
malarkey to me, but if there is any evidence to the contrary,
I'd like to hear about it.
Coincidentally, I met Fry once in the 1960's at a UFO conference at
Harmony Grove, near Escondido, CA.  He was developing real estate in
Oregon for a planned community of UFO buffs  as I remember.
I still have a copy that he gave me of his book.
--- John


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From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: computer voices
Date: 28 Oct 90 06:00:46 GMT


John Hicks writes:

+ [Rex S.] said that he'd investigated the 'computer voice' that was
+ broadcast over police freqs in the Fyffe area.
+   Rex said he'd found that the incident really did occur, and that he
+ found no evidence of a hoax. Also he said that the person who may have
+ been though to be connected with the incident was in Gulf Breeze, out
+ of radio range, at the time.
+   Of course it's easy to transmit on any freq in order to perpetrate a
+ hoax, but I understand the same voice was also heard at other times on
+ telephones.
+   As I understand it, the voice predicted some events in Fyffe (which
+ later occured).

This 'computer voice' phenomenon seems to be cropping up more and more often.

John Keel, in one of his books, describes a mechanical voice that made phone
calls in an area where a terrible disaster (a bridge collapse, in this case)
was about to happen.  If I remember right, there were various threats and
predictions associated with that case, too.

The Sept/Oct issue of International UFO Reporter had an article on 'Machine-
like Underground Sounds and UFO Phenomena' which included a mechanical voice
that mysteriously appeared on a tape recording of subterranean machine noises.
The voice is alleged to have said something like, 'Get out! We don't want ...'
before fading out.  One wonders what the rest of the message would have been.
'We don't want you here!'?  "We don't want to have to hurt you!"?

Ed Conroy, in 'Report on Communion' (pp. 364-5), also describes receiving phone
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From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: MHD
Date: 28 Oct 90 06:01:10 GMT


Mike Corbin asked about MHD.  Here's my understanding of it, such as it is.
Since I'm not an expert on this by any means, please take it with a grain of
salt.

MHD stands for MagnetoHydroDynamics.  It is the study of how electromagnetic
fields interact with electrically conducting fluids, such as molten metal or
plasma.  It has practical applications in a number of high-tech areas,
including power generation, superconductivity, and fusion reactors.  It is
also of theoretical interest in astrophysics.

MHD research is being conducted in the U.S., the Soviet Union, Italy, and
Israel (and probably elsewhere as well); there is an International Liaison
Group on MHD Electrical Power Generation under the auspices of UNESCO and the
International Atomic Energy Agency, and periodically there are international
congresses on the subject.  Some MHD research is exchanged between the Soviet
Union and the United States, but some of it is highly classified.  MHD is high
on the list of technologies monitored by U.S. intelligence agencies.

A random walk through the literature turns up a number of references that are
of potential interest in UFO research:  relativistic fluid mechanics, plasma
confinement, shock waves, ionizing fronts, and plasma propulsion.  There has
been speculation that MHD technology could be used to reduce drag and eliminate
sonic booms in supersonic aircraft.  There has also been speculation that some
of the more bizarre aspects of UFO encounters (e.g., multicolored auras around
the vehicles and interference with radios and car ignitions) could be caused
by the vehicles' use of MHD technology.

One of the debunkers' favorite challenges to believers in crashed-saucer
theories is, 'If the government got hold of a flying saucer in 1947, then
why haven't we seen any technological fallout from it?'  MHD would be a good
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From: rutgers!vanth!jms (Jim Shaffer)
Subject: real or reality-based paranormal phenomena in fiction
Date: 28 Oct 90 06:01:49 GMT


Paranormal phenomena have suddenly become a hot topic with various people
outside the research field.  And I'm not talking about New Age material,
but about some of the same things we discuss on ParaNet!  For example:

 o   First Comics has just started a new series called 'Meta-4' about a
     group of people with paranormal powers.  I just got the first issue
     tonight and in skimming it I noticed characters named 'Dr. Fortean'
     and 'Dr. Zetetic' and references to MJ-12 and Bluebook.  If I see
     anything else interesting when I get around to reading it in full I'll
     let you know.

 o   I haven't had a chance to check it out yet, but my brother says that
     Led Zeppelin's new album has the famous huge crop circle pattern on
     the cover. In fact it may be the entire cover.  I don't know what the
     album is called but I imagine that soon we'll be hearing that the
     circles are trying to spell 'Zoso'.

 o   'Twin Peaks' has had a very strong psychic aspect lately, and to make
     it more interesting it was recently revealed that the same message
     given to FBI Agent Cooper in a trance by a giant was simultaneously
     received by a secret military SETI project.

With Howard Blum's book, Bill Cooper's forthcoming book, and the widespread
mainstream coverage of Gulf Breeze and the crop circles, I think we can all
look forward to more of these sort of references.  In fact I think we may
have to be cautious, because soon people will be saying 'That's not real!
He stole that story from {insert comic or album or TV show here}!' whenever
the subject comes up in conversation.  I'm not going to be so paranoid as
to suggest that it's all a disinformation campaign, but I'm sure some
people might.


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From: [e-mail] (John Logajan)
Subject: MUFON and organizational safety
Date: 28 Oct 90 18:03:05 GMT


Someone complained that MUFON, like earlier organizations, is in danger of
self destructing due to 'capture' by crazies or hostile elements.

Future endeavors at organization can incorporate certain safeguards against
just such occurances.  (No system of safeguards is infalible, but some are
'good enough.')

I am involved in a (non-related to ufology) ideological movement in which
factionalism and sectarianism are always constant threats to the continued
existence of the organization.  Therefore we have taken extra precautions
to moderate against 'capture' by any internal or external sect.

The precautions are quite simple.  Certain founders and/or new members which
meet some special criteria have the power to over-rule *all* lower body
decisions -- yet the day to day workings of the organization are run by
a more or less democratically elected group.

This 'judiciary committee' is best used as little as possible.  If you find
the judical committe involved in constant squabbles, this is an early
sign that the organization is going to crumble anyhow.

Maybe we have been just likely, but sectarianism, which has plagued our
ideological brothers and sisters in other parts of the country, has never
occurred -- and we have never had to have the judical committee overrule
anything.

In summary, then, strict democracy in an organization is a very unstable
proposition.  Organizations are initially formed to pursue particular and
specific goals.  Strict democracy can, and often does, deflect those
organizations from those initial goals.  It is not unholy for the
founders of an organization to make it clear that new members who volunteer
accept the initial goals of the organization.  If some new goal is desired,
then it is probably better to form a new organization, rather than to
destroy the old one trying to drag everyone else along.


- John Logajan @ Network Systems; 7600 Boone Ave; Brooklyn Park, MN 55428
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From: [e-mail] (John Logajan)
Subject: MHD - magneto hydro dynamics
Date: 28 Oct 90 18:03:44 GMT



MHD, magneto hydro dynamics is merely a fancy way to say 'electric motor.'
The only difference between a conventional electric motor and an MHD motor
is that the electric current (and hence the motive force) is passed through
a fluid (the atmosphere or sea-water).  Electric currents give rise to
magnetic fields, and MHD generators, besides having a mechanism to generate
such electric currents through the fluid, also impose magnetic fields that
repell the magnetic field created in the fluid current -- generating
propulsive force.

The trouble with MHD motors is that unlike using copper wires which can be
looped repeatedly, the current is pretty much a single point to point
'arc.'  The strength of a electrically generated field is proportional to
the current times the number of turns, I*N.  So you can see that if the
number of turns is limited (such as in MHD's case) you have to proportionally
increase the current to get the same overal force.

The resistivity of air is rated in three categories.  Normally mega mega
ohms, some intermediate values, and a few ohms per foot.  In the first
case you need very high voltages to get current flowing.  The heat of this
arc actually ionizes the atmospher so that the resistivity of air drops
well into the low ohms region.  This means that a high voltage might be
necessary to start an arc, but you can immediately drop down into the
low voltage range to maintain the arc.

The heat required to maintain the arc is wasted, however.  And there is
a preformance issue, too.  In order to get enough current flowing for
significant field strength, you may have to keep a fairly high voltage
to insure sufficent current flow.  High voltage times high current is
very wasteful in terms of heat generated in a MHD design.

So MHD is not very efficient in the DC or low AC range.

However, another phenomena, of which I have slight knowledge, is the ability
of the atmosphere to transport radio frequency charges.  *IF* RF can transport
current with less loss than DC, then one of the loss mechanism can be
eliminated.  In this case, the MHD current polarity AND orthogonal magnetic
field could be driven at RF rates.  The problem of 'one turn' remains,
however.

Finally, any MHD effect that can be used in a vehicle to suppress sonic
booms is also a very *likely* candidate to produce vehicular propulsion!


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From: [e-mail] (Doug Kraft)
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara
Date: 27 Oct 90 02:03:00 GMT

Yes, please re-post that info if you don't mind.

I'm new on the board and haven't felt the need to put in my two-cents...
just absorbing for now, but I am interested in the conference and do plan on
attending...

Thanks...

Doug Kraft

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From: [e-mail] (Doug Kraft)
Subject: Re: Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms
Date: 27 Oct 90 02:14:00 GMT


  I too am not a radar expert, having worked with them only a little, but I
can reverify that it is the paint that absorbs a good portion of the radio
waves (comprising the radar burst).  However, I have no idea how this is
accomplished, but the carbon fiber proposal is still viable, as most radar
systems operate in the same frequency bands (and tuning the pulse frequency
of a radar  more than a slight bit is next to impossible).  It is also my
understanding that the coating (read "paint") is not effective against Over
The Horizon (OTH) Radar which uses HF radio waves.  Hmmm...

        One item that was forgotten was that the shape of the aircraft helps
to deflect radar waves away from the radar transmitter thus reducing
returns.  Ever notice how there are practically no flat surfaces facing you
on an F-117?  Hmmm...

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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: Re: The Salisberrys
Date: 28 Oct 90 01:37:00 GMT

Mike:
       I spoke with George Eberhart and Mark Rodeghier today.  I was
informed that the Salisberry Report was published in the Pensacola
News-Journal.

       It seems ironic that the winners of MUFON's Ufologist of The
Year award (for their investigation of this case -- Rex and Carol)
would recieve such a frosty response from Walt and Dr. Bruce after
publishing this report.  It looks as though Walt and Bruce plan to ride
this one right down the toilet!

       As the water begins to swirl, I'm reminded of George Eberhart's
remark that the Walters case "is unraveling like a cheap sweater".

       Let's keep our ears open for what Dan Wright has to say about
this SNAFU.
                         --  John
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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: SONIC BOOMS
Date: 27 Oct 90 02:51:01 GMT


 > Another possible solution (one of the more obvious ones) is that
 > the plane is flying so high that the sonic boom is not heard.

  I've clearly heard the double boom of a returning Shuttle at about
90,000 feet. Dunno what the speed would have been.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Blum
Date: 27 Oct 90 16:24:01 GMT


  Inside Edition did a short segment on Howard Blum last night, but it
sure wasn't very meaty.
  It was so mediocre it could have been scripted by Phil Klass, who
appeared, of course. The only points examined were those made by Phil.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Paranet.alpha
Date: 29 Oct 90 23:41:30 GMT


I am getting the Paranet Newsletter. I have 2 problems. First, How can I log
on to Paranet.Alpha where apparently long data files are sent for reading by
subscribers? Can I just get a listing of what files are there?

Second, I am on SPAN and occasionally Newsletters don't reach me. I can tell
by the cycling of the Newsletter No. What can I do?

Thanks,

Dave Webb
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From: Michael Houdeshell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pixies' paen to grey bases.
Date: 29 Oct 90 23:44:22 GMT


If anyone still entertains serious doubts, when the similarity of
abductee stories is advanced as an argument in support of their veracity,
as to the level to which even the most arcane details of the Cooper/Lear/
Strieber scenarios have penetrated popular culture in one form or another,
then take a look at the November 1 1990 Rolling Stone, p. 83, col.3 (or
consider the title of the article, about the Pixies' latest album,
which the wags writing headlines at the now-venerable Stone call 'Surfing
with the Aliens').

Area 51, Las Vegas landings, mumbled incoherent lyrics.

This is the kind of stuff that really gives me pause when Budd H. et al.
claim there's no possible way their regression subjects could have heard
or absorbed at some level stories about meddling greys, nose needles, and
so forth.



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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 323

                          Wednesday, October 31st 1990

Today's Topics:

                               Gulf Breeze Report
                                Gulf Breeze No. 2
                                Gulf Breeze No. 3
                                Gulf Breeze No 4
                                Gulf Breeze No. 5
                            Conclusion - Gulf Breeze
                                   Correction

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Gulf Breeze Report
Date: 29 Oct 90 14:33:00 GMT

The following six messages are from an interview with Rex and Carol
Salisberry conducted by Ray Griffin.  It was uploaded to ParaNet for
distribution.  ParaNet will issue a statement in a short time after talking
with the Salisberry's.  Bear in mind that what is occurring does not prove
that Gulf Breeze is a hoax, however it does provide us with a look at what
is going on.  ParaNet has always continued to rate Gulf Breeze as a probable
hoax, and continues to do so.  It is not our intention to continue looking
at Gulf Breeze as we feel it is very unproductive.  We wish to focus our
efforts on cases which provide solid data for study and investigation such
as the Belgium sightings.

                      *  THE PRESS RELEASE *

Carol and Rex Salisberry
State Section Directors for
Pensacola MUFON

Interview, questions and answers bearing on recent
investigation of the Walters' Case.
**************************************************************
We wish to release to the public a progress report on our work
involving the reopening of the Walters' UFO case. First, two
voice stress analyses have been made on a tape recording of
the telephone conversation among Mayor Ed Gray, Chief Jerry
Brown, Craig Meyers, Mark Curtis and Tommy Smith on 15 June
1990. These analyses both indicate that Tommy Smith was
telling the truth in all respects regarding the allegations
which he made concerning Mr. Walters and the UFO case. Second,
we have investigated the writing on the model which Mr. Menzer
found in the attic above his garage and have determined that
the paper used in the model could not have been made from a
house plan that Mr. Walters claims to have drawn in September
1989 for the Lynn Thomas family. This second point has been
independently verified by others including Mr. Phil Klass.
Third, we have conducted analyses of Photos 14 and 19 in the
Walters' book and have concluded that there is a very high
probability that the reflections shown in these photos could
not have been made by a hovering object as described by Mr.
Walters and validated by Dr. Maccabee. It is a virtual
impossibility for the reflections to have occurred as depicted
in the photos. It is, however, very easy to have created these
photos by using a small model and double exposure camera
techniques as demonstrated by Mr. Mark Curtis of WEAR-TV. With
Photos 14 & 19 shown to be probable fakes, scientific and
intellectual integrity dictate that other photos depicting the
same models should be considered as highly suspect. This
includes the " Believer Bill ", the " Jane " and the so called
" Tommy Smith " photos ( the voice stress analyses indicate
that Tommy Smith did not take these photos).

Question: Are you making this disclosure on behalf of MUFON,
or is MUFON intending to release your information through a
press conference or other means?

Answer: We are providing this information of our own volition
and are not speaking for MUFON. We don't know at this point
what MUFON intends to do.
**************************************************************
Question: Why are you making this disclosure without sanction
of MUFON?

Answer: Over the past several weeks, many people have advised
us of their opinions that MUFON will not acknowledge or
release any information from our investigation which tends to
disprove the Walters' case. WE have continued to believe in
the objectivity of MUFON and believed that they would accept
the results of our work at face value. However, in the past
few days we have come to believe that others may be correct in
their assessment of the situation.
**************************************************************
Question: What has caused you to change your opinion in this
regard?

Answer: We first provided Mr. Andrus, International Director
of MUFON, with our preliminary analysis by telephone on 9
Sept, 1990. At that time we described for him a simple
demonstration that he could perform to convince himself that
we were correct. It was decided at the time to seek additional
analysis from other experts to support our own work. We did
this and sent Mr. Andrus an Interim Report on 23 Sept, 1990
which contained additional expert analysis confirming our
conclusions. We talked with Mr. Andrus by telephone in late
September and learned that he had not even done the simple
demonstration that we had suggested to him. This tends to make
us believe that he is not giving serious consideration to our
analysis or the supporting analysis of other experts. Also, we
have now learned that elements of MUFON are attempting to
discredit us as " debunkers " which we deem eminently unfair
in consideration of the large amount of time and effort we
have devoted to objective reassessment of this case.
**************************************************************
Question: Can you describe the simple demonstration for us and
could our readers do the demonstration for themselves?

Answer: Yes, it is very easy to do. It is basically a
demonstration to show what the reflection in Photo 19 should
look like when reflected from the flat road surface. The data
to use can be taken from Dr. Maccabee's article in the 1988
MUFON Symposium Proceedings. These are as follows: distance
from the camera to the object is 185 (+/- 5) feet; the
diameter of the light ring at the bottom of the object is 7.5
feet; the height of the object above the road is about 3 feet;
and the height of the camera is about 5 feet. You then set up
a scale of 1 inch = 1 foot to do your demonstration. For
example.... Cut a circle of white paper 7.5 inches in
diameter, place the white circle on a flat service and move
away 185 inches to simulate the camera location, then raise
your eye level to 5 inches above the elevation of the white
circle, and you can see how the reflection should look. If you
look at this photograph which we took of our own demonstration
you can see that the reflection should appear as a narrow
horizontal line and not as the much taller reflection as shown
in Photo 19 of Walters' book. Walters' photo depicts the
reflection as " hanging in mid air " instead of flat on the
road as should be expected. It could be argued that the
Walters' camera might have been higher than the 5 feet which
we have used, but we have shown that the camera height would
need to have been about 45 feet in the air to produce the
reflection in Photo 19. If you will look at photo 19 in
Walters' book, you can readily see that the higher elevation
was not possible. Also, here is another photo which we took of
our demonstration to show the results of the higher camera
height, and you can see that the image of the reflection now
approximates those in Walters' photos. This next photo shows
the result if the road surface had been slanted up by about 14
degrees under the object. You can again see that this
approximates the reflections in Walters' photos. The point
here is that there is a strong indication that a small model
and double exposure camera techniques were used by Walters' to
take photos 14 and 19. There is strong support for this in the
work done by Mark Curtis of WEAR TV. He made the same mistake
in setting up his model which produces the same " impossible
reflection " results as shown in Walters' photos.

Your readers can get an idea of what we are talking about here
by observing the reflections of car headlights on the road as
they drive at night, or by noting shadows on the ground in the
early morning or late evening.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Gulf Breeze No. 2
Date: 29 Oct 90 14:53:00 GMT

**************************************************************
Question: You said that you have also done a mathematical
analysis, what does this show.

Answer: Since the three-dimensional appearance of the
purported reflection is converted to two dimensions on film,
we calculated what that two-dimensional presentation to the
camera should be. The horizontal component is essentially
unchanged because of the geometry of the scene, but the
vertical presentation is calculated by trigonometric
relationships as shown here. You can see that the vertical
dimension that the camera would see is about 2.5 inches. You
can compare this to the measured and calculated value of 22.5
inches from photo 19 and readily see that vertical
presentation to the camera  in Walter's photos is roughly 9
times " taller " than it should be. This should present
conclusive evidence that photo 19 was faked. The same
conclusion can be made for photo 14 since it is essentially
identical to photo 19 except for the geographic location and
the use of different models. With these two photos shown to be
fakes, all other photos which show the same model, should also
be suspected of being fakes. This would include the " Believer
Bill " and " Jane " photographs as well as the so called "
Tommy Smith " photos. By the way, an independent analysis
conducted of the purported " Smith " photos by a Ph.D. level
photogramatrist indicates his conclusion that, " The sequence
looks systematic and staged with a model at 6-9 feet. " This
tends to support Tommy Smith's allegations that Mr. Walters
had taken those photographs of a model.
**************************************************************
Question: What about the other experts which you claim have
validated your conclusions?

Answer: We have had an analysis done by a local Analytical
Physicist who hold a Masters Degree in Physics and does these
types of analyses for his employer. He has constructed a
rigorous mathematical model to show what the expected
reflection should be under almost any set of conditions. When
Maccabee's data, which I mentioned earlier, are substituted
into this model the results are essentially equivalent to our
own, i.e. that the reflections in Walters' photos 14 & 19 are
about 9 times taller than they should be, which again
indicates that the reflections in Walters' photos are
suspended in air and not off of the road or field as one would
expect. The conclusions of this analyst are, " A direct
measurement from photo 19 reveals that r=4. This is physically
impossible, in view of the above analysis. Therefore photo 19
is a physically impossible representation of reality and is
faked. The above analysis is rigorous and leaves no room for
doubt. It assumes only cylindrical symmetry of light emissions
with respect to the object axes of symmetry and the accuracy
of Maccabees's calculations." ( r in this conclusion refers to
the aspect ratio of the horizontal divided by the vertical
dimensions.)

We have another analysis done by a Ph.D. level
photogrammatrist who is a friend. His results agree closely
with those of ours which we demonstrated earlier. His
conclusion is, " The reflection in Gulf Breeze photo 19 is
inconsistent with the reported events." We will not use his
analysis because of his need for anonymity.

We have also shared our work with Dr. Robert Nathan who is
doing an independent analysis of his own at our request. He
has expressed his agreement with our analysis and conclusions
verbally over the telephone, but because of his busy schedule,
he has not yet completed his own analysis.

We have also consulted with another Ph.D. level
photogrammatrist who has done previous analyses of the
Walters' photos. He has expressed verbal agreement with our
analysis with the comment " I wish that I had thought of that
aspect".

Arguments may be advanced that a non uniform illumination
might be able to produce the reflections as shown in the
photos 14 & 19. The experienced analysts mentioned before
assure us that such non-uniform illumination should still
produce an elliptical pattern for the reflection. However, the
brightness of the reflection might be " spotty " ( i.e.
brighter in some places and dimmer in others. ) Also, The
diamond shape of the reflections in these two photos is not a
normal expectation and is probably the result of error in
planning how the reflection should look when the model was
photographed for double exposure process.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Gulf Breeze No. 3
Date: 29 Oct 90 15:06:00 GMT


**************************************************************
Question: Dr. Bruce Maccabee has done considerable work on
these photos and seems to have concluded that they are real
UFOs. Your analysis and conclusions seem to be in conflict
with his. How do you explain that?

Answer: Numerous experts have applauded Dr. Maccabee on his
analytical work, however, many of them have questioned his
assumptions and his logic ised in drawing his conclusions. For
example, on page 145 of the 1988 MUFON Symposium Proceedings,
Maccabee states " The reflection in the road below the object
is unusual because of its shape and brilliance. It is not
round, but more diamond shaped, indicating that the object was
emanating a non-circular pattern. The reflection beneath the
object in Photo 14 ( Figure 19 ) is also diamond shaped." Here
he draws the conclusion that the circular source ( to which he
admits on the same page ) made a diamond shaped reflection,
which as an optical physicist, he should know to be
impossible. He goes on to say " ( From a hoax point of view
this is surprising because a model with a bulb inside would
very probably give a circular illumination pattern.)" This
sentence indicates that Maccabee assumed that one needed to
put a bulb inside of the model to create a hoax. He
conveniently ignored other hoax scenarios, such as the one
used by Mark Curtis ( and probably by Mr. Walters ) wherein
the shape of the " reflection" was designed into the model set
up. Maccabee goes on to say " The brilliance of the reflection
is also surprising, considering that it was reflecting off a
(wet) road." We find it surprising that Dr. Maccabee did not
address this incongruity in more detail since it is known that
he and Mr. Charles Flannigan conducted experiments in this
regard. When you consider that the surface of the road ( Black
top) is highly absorptive, it should be obvious to even the
casual observer that the intensity of the " reflection" is
much too great when compared to the intensity of the source.
We find it surprising that Dr. Maccabee did not address some
of these important considerations which lead directly to
conclusions that Photo 19 is a fake.

Another incongruity in Dr. Maccabee's work can be found in the
last paragraph on page 169 of the 1988 MUFON Symposium
Proceedings. In this paragraph, Dr. Maccabee explains the
difficulties that Mr. Walters would have in photographing a
model in Photos 36 L&R with the time elements involved and
with witnesses nearby in the parking lot. He ignores the fact
that Mr. Walters' wife, Frances, was with him and could have
greatly reduced the difficulties. In fact, it would have been
a rather simple process for two people as pointed out
elsewhere by Maccabee in the article. Maccabee also fails to
report that Frances did not emerge from the bushes at the same
time as Mr. Walters and had ample time to have hidden away the
model and other paraphernalia involved. Other witnesses have
confirmed that Frances did indeed remain concealed by the
bushes for some period of time after Mr. Walters appeared with
the photos. Dr. Maccabee has also asserted that rigorous
proceedures were used to record the numbers of the backs of
the photos to track them and obviate the possibility of
substitution. These assertions have been refuted by Mr.
Charles Flannigan and the witnesses who were present at the
time. None of the witnesses recorded the numbers!

The public may not be aware that Dr. Maccabee was paid for his
work concerning the Walters' case. At this point, we have not
been able to ascertain when he was paid, how much, who paid
him, when he was paid, or what he was expected to do for the
pay. With this in mind, we have excluded him from our
investigation team to avoid accusations of bias in our
results. Now, with our conclusions in conflict with those of
Dr. Maccabee, we expect the accusations anyhow.

We understand that Dr. Maccabee and Mr. Robert Oechsler have
done analyses on the so called " Tommy Smith " photos. We
requested the results of their analyses as early as July, but
neither shared them with us, which we find strange. Along the
same line, many investigators around the country have shared
their results with us, but we have not been able to
reciprocate in kind because of our loyalties to MUFON.

We do not want this misconstrued as any kind of personal
attack on Dr. Maccabee for that is not our intent. He has
written and spoken profusely on this case and we simply
disagree with many of his assuptions and conclusions.
**************************************************************
Question: What have you determined about the model found in
the Walters' former home?

Answer: We have statements in writing from the current owners
of the home and we have interviewed them on several occasions.
We, as well as other investigators, have determined that the
house plan segment used to build the mid-section of the model
could not have come from the plans which were drawn in
September 1989 as claimed by Mr. Walters. Those plans specify
that the exterior of the home to be " Sinergy " whereas the
plans in the model specify a brick exterior. The address for
the home to be built from the plans drawn by Mr. Walters in
September 1989 would have been 700 Jamestown Dr. whereas the
address on the plans in the model appears to be 712 Jamestown
Dr. The residence at 712 Jamestown DR. was apparently built by
Mr. Walters in early 1987. This represents a direct
contradiction to the claims of Mr. Walters that he drew the
plans found in the model in September 1989.

Mr. Walters has also publicly stated that the model was in
plain sight in the attic when Mr. Menzer found it. This is a
contradiction to Mr. Menzer's statement in which he indicates
that he did not notice the model until he moved a considerable
amount of loose insulation aside. The question begs to be
asked, " Did Walters have foreknowledge of the location and
relative visibility of the model in the attic prior to its
discovery by Mr. Menzer?"

If you look on the bottom of page 28 in Walters'  book where
he provides a description of the "UFO" that he saw: " There
were also some diamond shapes between some of the large black
squares and, unseen on the photos, there were definitely
horizontal lines going around the main body. ( see drawing
following page 64)". The drawings following page 64 do not
show any horizontal lines except for the seams between the
various sections. In the book, " photo 14, light-blasted and
enhanced for detail, enlargement" show these same seams, so
Walters could not have meant them when he described the
horizontal lines. However, the model found in Menzer's atic
have neatly drawn horizontal lines around the main body of the
model, which is the only place that we can find the horizontal
lines as described by Mr. Walters. This seems to indicate that
Mr. Walters knows more about the model than he has admitted.

It is also noteworthy that 12 and 14 in Walters' book bear a
marked resemblance to the model found in the Menzer's attic.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Gulf Breeze No 4
Date: 29 Oct 90 15:16:00 GMT

**************************************************************
Question: What about the witnesses that have come forward and
have claimed to have seen what Ed Walters has photographed?

Answer: We agree that a few witnesses came forward in late
1987 and in 1988, after they had seen the photos, and claimed
to have seen a similar UFO. It is not our purpose to discredit
those witnesses. We examined their case file reports and news
accounts, and we have been able to interview most of them in
person or over the phone. Under the conditions of observation
(altitude, time of day, length of sighting, angle of view
etc.) and general descriptions given, what they saw was
similar in some cases but not an exact match to the Walters'
photos. For example, we interviewed Charles and Doris Sommerby
recently. They said that the UFO that they saw in Nov. of 1987
was at least 150ft. across, had one row of round portholes
with bright lights shining out of them, had a large lighted
dome on the top that covered most of the top-half of the UFO,
and it had a circle of smaller bright lights on the bottom.
According to Dr. Maccabee's calculations the UFO that Mr.
Walters photographed was only 12 to 25 ft across, had 2 rows
of square portholes, had a small light on the top, and a solid
ring of light on the bottom. Because they saw it on the same
day that Walters reported photographing his UFO, they assumed
it was the same. We have found that other witnesses did not
see all the same details that are included in the photos, and
because they made their report after they had seen a photo, a
psychological principal known as "gestalt" may have influenced
their report.

(The MUFON Investigators Manual cautions against contaminating
the witnesses by showing them photographs of other sightings
prior to their own independent description.) But it is also
important to recognize that witness testimony is supportive,
but does not prove the authenticity of the Walters' photos.
These two issues must be separated in the final analysis.


**************************************************************
Question: What about the lie detector tests that Mr. Walters
claims that he has passed?

Answer: The Lie Detector Tests-- A misleading Issue.

In the Aug. 16, 1990, Gulf Breeze Sentinel, Ed Walters wrote
an article entitled " Tommy Smith's Statements Questioned." In
this article Ed writes: On June 19 I was challenged by Tommy's
father to take a lie detector test. On that same evening I
took the test and passed. Ed Walters has now taken 4 seperate
tests with three different examiners and passed them all. My
wife Frances and Hank Boland were also tested previously."

In an interview with Ed and Frances in Sept. 1990 in which
Charles Flannigan and the Salisberrys were present, we asked
Frances if she had ever taken a lie detector test and she
said, "No"

She explained that a taped interview had been tested by MUFON
without their specific approval. Two tapes were submitted by
Bob Oeschler to an examiner in Maryland. The examiner stated:
" The way the interviews were done and the type of information
discussed does not give the examiner the verbal material
necessary for him to be able to say if these individuals are
being completely truthful with the interviewer.

This examiner does find two areas in Mr. Hank's ( Hank Boland)
interview that showed meaningful reaction which indicates a
problem with his answer. The answer he gives regarding the
reason for the object disappearing when Ed saw (Hank). Mr.
Hanks said that the craft communicates through Ed and can
sense things through Ed. The other area is where he does not
want to sign the form with his true name."

On June 19 Ed had himself tested with the Psychological Stress
Evalutator, voice stress test by Robert Lauland in New
Orleans. ( It is interesting to note that a test is only as
good as its questions, or that the questions will determine
the outcome, pass or fail) Here are a few of the questions
that were asked: " Is it true that you did not kill a circular
area of grass on the soccer field of G.B. High by using a
trampoline?" A better question might have been, Did you tell
Tommy Smith that you killed the grass with a trampoline? The
real issue is whether or not he told Tommy certain things. (
see additional questions below)

In Feb., 1988 Mr. Charles Flannigan arranged to have Ed tested
by a reputable examiner. Mr. Flannigan and other investgators
created a list of questions that the examiner could use. Ed
chose not to be tested under these supervised conditions.
Instead he went by himself, on 2 occasions, to another
polygrapher and paid for a polygraph. The questions that the
investigators prepared were not used by the examiner, and no
one from MUFON accompanied him to the testing site or observed
the conditions of testing. This examiner stated that, " He
(ED) claims to desire no personal gain or renumeration from
these sightings. " ( However, Ed and Frances did have a book
in preparation at this time and were actively seeking
publication, which usually means money.)

It would be desirable for Ed, Frances, their son Danny, Hank
Boland, and Tommy Smith to all take supervised polygraph tests
to insure the validity of the results. So far the Smith family
has agreed to these conditions if the Walters family would
agree also. The Walters family has so far refused.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Gulf Breeze No. 5
Date: 29 Oct 90 15:24:00 GMT


**************************************************************
Questions from Lauland voice stress analysis June 19, 1990 and
observations on these questions:

1... Is it true that you did not make the UFO model that was
found at 612 Silverthorn Drive in Gulf Breeze, Fl, ? Ans: Yes
( observation: Someone could have made the model for Ed, and
he could be answering this question truthfully)

2... Is it true that you did not have a model of a UFO at 612
Silverthorn Dr. in Gulf Breeze, Fl. Ans: Yes. ( observation:
If Ed had more than one model of UFOs at the house, this
answer could be truthful but misleading.)

3... Is it true that you do not know who made the UFO model
found on Silverthorn Drive in Gulf Breeze, Fl. Answer: Yes.
(observation: The question has been skillfully juggled from
the previous pattern by substituting ON for AT and omitting
the house number. Ed could be answering truthfully in that the
model was not found on the street, but inside the house.)

4... Is it true that you have never taken stereo camera photos
of any airplane landing any time in your life? Answer: Yes.
(observation: Ed could be answering this question truthfully
since it is the wrong question, The question should have read,
" Is it true That you told Tommy Smith that you went out and
took a picture of an airplane landing at night, held the
camera sideways, " since that was the allegation made by Tommy
Smith)

5... Is it true that you did not kill a circular area of grass
on the soccer field of Gulf Breeze High School by using a
trampoline? Answer: (observation: again this is the wrong
question. Tommy Smith's allegation was, " If I remember
correctly, he told me that he turned a small trampoline upside
down on it for a while and jumped up and down on it."
Obviously the question does not address the allegation.

Mr. Lauland states in his opening paragraph, " ...and the
questions were reworded for clarification..." (This gave
Walters the opportunity to carefully word the questions so
that he could answer truthfully without providing any
meaningful results.)
**************************************************************
Question: What do you foresee will be the official MUFON
position to your disclosure of this information?

Answer: We really don't know, but we feel that we have an
obligation to share the results of our efforts with the
citizens of Gulf Breeze and the Pensacola area. Remember that
we too were believers of the Walters case and only changed our
minds after the preponderance of evidence indicated that there
was a hoax involved. We hope that MUFON will consider our
evidence and support our conclusions. We sincerely hope that
MUFON will continue to be an objective investigative agency of
the UFO phenomena.
**************************************************************
Question: You probably know that Mr. Walters is running for
the office of City Council member. What effect do you forsee
that your disclosure will have on his campaign?

Answer: We are not residents of Gulf Breeze and hence have no
interest in the elections of the city. Our timing on the
release of this information is precipitated by the lnowledge
that some elements of MUFON are attempting to discredit us. We
also would like to bring the investigation to a close because
we have many important things to do that have been deferred
because of our work on the case. We even gave up our usual
summer vacation because of it.
**************************************************************
Question: Is there anything else that you would like to add?

Answer: Yes, we would like to repeat that the validity of the
hundreds of other UFO related events which have been reported
in the area is not affected by this disclosure and the outcome
of the Walters case. We still remain students and
investigators of the UFO phenomena and are grateful to the
many witnesses who have shared their experience with us. We
hope that they will continue to do so.
**************************************************************

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Conclusion - Gulf Breeze
Date: 29 Oct 90 15:34:00 GMT

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                     *THE PRINTED NEWS ARTICLE*

PENSACOLA NEWS JOURNAL
SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27, 1990
..............................
INVESTIGATORS DOUBT UFO AUTHOR
BY CRAIG MYERS
NEWS JOURNAL
..............................

Two investigators for the MUTUAL UFO Network said Friday  they
believe Gulf Breeze author Ed. Walters faked some of the
photos of UFOs that appear in his book.

" We believe that UFOs exist," said Rex and Carol Salisberry
of Navarre of their study of several of Walter's photos. " We
entered this investigation with a natural and favorable bias
toward the Walter's case, " but " our investigation and
analysis lend to the conclusion that several, if not all of
the photos are probable hoaxes."

Walters, who co-wrote " The Gulf Breeze Sightings" with his
wife Frances, maintains the photos are real and that they were
taken during numerous encounters between November 1987 and
March 1988.

Walters has appeared on numerous radio and television shows,
including " Unsolved Mysteries " and the Oprah Winfrey Show,
to recount his experiences with UFOs.

He was reported to be out of town Friday and could not be
reached for comment.

In July the couple was named " Investigators of the Year " at
a MUFON Symposium in Pensacola.

Walt Andrus, MUFON's international director, said Friday that
his organization is not yet ready to give its stamp of
approval to the Salisberry's four month investigation of the
photos.

" I don't know how they arrived at that decision." Andrus said
from his office in Sequin, Texas. " It is certainly premature.
He has no business talking to reporters. It has never been
cleared through here. He can't make representations for the
organizations."

Andrus, who has for two years endorsed the Walters case,
appointed Salisberry in July to take a second look at the case
after questions surfaced about the credibility of Walter's
photos.

The first question arose after a model was found in the
Walter's former residence in Gulf Breeze in March. The
Styrofoam and drafting paper model was found in the attic of
the home and strongly resembled a drawing Walter's made of one
of his UFO sightings.

The second question arose when Tommy Smith, formerly of Gulf
Breeze, said in July that he witnessed Walter's fake UFO
photos. Smith said Walters asked him to take some faked UFO
photos to the Gulf Breeze newspaper and claim they were real.

But Andrus on Friday said Smith is lying and the UFO model was
hidden in the attic by someone who wants to discredit Walters.

"Tommy Smith can't prove any of his statements- they are
outlandish lies," Andrus said.

The Salisberrys said Smith's testimony and the model
contributed to their conclusion, but more convincing was an
analysis of Walter's so-called " road shot " that shows a UFO
hovering over a road.

Salisberry said the reflection of the spacecraft, which should
be flat, actually is at an angle that does not match the
road's surface. The triangular shape of the reflection also
does not match the round light source on the bottom of the
craft, he said.

The Salisberrys said the photo and a second photo probably was
created by a double-exposure-- a process by which a model is
photographed and the image is exposed again onto the same
frame of film.

" With these photos reassessed as probable hoaxes, the other
photos... should be considered as highly suspect, " Salisberry
wrote in the preliminary report.

Seven MUFON members investigated the sightings in 1988 and
concluded Walter's story was true. The Salisberrys were not
among the original investigators, but joined MUFON in November
1988.

Andrus said that while the Salisberrys are good investigators,
they cannot yet speak for MUFON.

" They ( the Salisberrys ) do not have grounds to arrive at
that conclusion until it is submitted to us. We will have to
look at their facts," Andrus said.

The Salisberrys have not yet submitted their report to MUFON.

Phil Klass, a contributing editor to Aviation Week & Space
Technology magazine and a longtime Walters critic, said Andrus
is too " proud and stubborn " to accept the report.

" I think the Salisberrys should be commended for being
willing to change their earlier opinion," said Klass.

But Dr. Bruce Maccabee, a photographic analyst who has
defended Walter's photos. said the road reflection does not
discredit the photo.

Maccabee said his analysis of the photo shows light from
beneath the object was projected at an angle-like car
headlights shinning ahead of a car on a wet road.

Maccabee said Friday he still is open-minded about the
Walter's sightings, but said it would take more convincing
evidence than Salisberry's report to convince him of a hoax.

" Nothing I have seen has changed my mind," Maccabee said.

Salisberry said his conclusion on Walters' photo does not
shake his own belief in UFOs. And he said his report won't end
the Walters' debate.

" The problem with Walters' story isn't a UFO problem, it is a
human problem". Salisberry said. " If the Walters' case is
typical of most UFO cases, the debate will probably go on for
years in spite of any evidence pro or con."


[END]
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Correction
Date: 30 Oct 90 08:00:00 GMT

I was informed that Ray Griffin did not actually conduct the
interview with Rex Salisberry.  He transcribed the material that
Rex prepared in anticipation of questions that might be asked of
him in his report.

Mike

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 330

                           Monday, November 12th 1990

Today's Topics:

                          Re: Conclusion - Gulf Breeze
                                 Re: GB Sentinel
                                Re: Walters case
                              Davis Sea Happenings
                          Re: Santa Barbara (Continued)
                            Santa Barbara (Continued)
                                    GB Photos
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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Conclusion - Gulf Breeze
Date: 9 Nov 90 16:11:03 GMT


 >        From what I read in Saucer Smear, it looks like Ed had
 > big plans on starting his own newsletter or magazine which was
 > to begin publication next month.

  No ideas about that.
  Look around for a new file called GBREFUTE.ZIP. Interesting.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: GB Sentinel
Date: 9 Nov 90 16:13:04 GMT


 >      As long as Mr. Somerby likes to impugn motives, how about
 > this one:  What single publication in America had the most to
 > gain from the Walters hoax?

  Aw, c'mon now. Do you really think a publisher of a lowly weekly
newspaper would stoop to such things. ;-)

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Walters case
Date: 9 Nov 90 16:22:05 GMT


 >         So Dan Wright says that MUFON is concerned that one of
 > their investigators has taken sides in a political dispu.

 Yeah, interesting isn't it.
  I got a copy of Don Ware's original letter to the editors of the
News-Journal and the Sentinel. Actually, it's signed by both Don and
Charles.
  The letter contains three long paragraphs which attempt to refute
Rex's findings re: the Road Shot, which is well and good, but the
fourth and final paragraph simply states that they have gotten to know
Ed and Frances well and wishes them luck.
  The Sentinel folks apparently edited out the first three paragraphs,
which were the meat and the intent of the letter, and just published
the final paragraph, which looks like (out of context) a political
endorsement. Which it isn't.
  So, contrary to my initial statement based on the (edited) letter
published in the Sentinel, the fact is that Don and Charles did *not*
write a political endorsement of Ed, but part of their letter was
taken out of context and made to *appear* to be just that.
  Lousy, slanted and biased editing by whoever edits the letters to
the editor for the Sentinel.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Davis Sea Happenings
Date: 9 Nov 90 16:27:06 GMT


 > I'm hoping somebody can shed some additional light on an unusual
 > story that appeared in the San Diego Union about three weeks ago
 > (this was told to me by a reliable friend, and will try to
 > further track down this story).

  How about this possibility.
  The egg-shaped craft may have been some sort of submersible
servicing, laying or retrieving sonobuoys. Everyone's navy would
probably want to keep such ops secret.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Santa Barbara (Continued)
Date: 9 Nov 90 15:28:00 GMT


 > What is the basis for the suggestion that some of the Roswell witnesses
 > may be given immunity??  Has the gvt been approached? By whom? With what
 > response?  Who specifically was approached?

CUFOS has apparently petitioned some Congresscritters on behalf of several
individuals connected with the case, one of whom was in charge of securing the
perimeter of the crash site. I don't know if there has been a response yet,
apparently it is a work in progress.

 >   Another question that comes to mind is would it be a violation of an
 > oath of silence to simply say "I can't tell you what I know but the gvt
 > statements as to what happened are not true."

Don Schmitt asked one of these individuals if we are "on the right track,"
meaning, are we justified in exploring the alien spacecraft possibility. His
response was, "well, off the record, you're not on the wrong track."

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Santa Barbara (Continued)
Date: 10 Nov 90 23:55:00 GMT


 >  > may be granted immunity for their testimony,
 >
 >  and I'm wondering (a rhetorical) why.
 >

Immunity meaning, they won't be prosecuted for violating any secrecy oaths if
they should testify.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: GB Photos
Date: 11 Nov 90 00:01:00 GMT


 >  So lemme see if I got this right: The book written by the professionals
 > goes unnoticed and the book written by the architect generates a furor.
 >
 >

Ya see now why PR experts get such big bucks?

I think the differences are, 1) GB has the steadfast support of the largest
UFO organization in the world, from the top down. 2) The leader of that
organization has endorsed it as being genuine, whereas the lead investigators
of HV (Hynek and Imbrogno) were always careful to couch their language in
relatively (and properly) ambiguous terms. 3) and here's where the PR comes
in, Ed was published by a larger house, Morrow, than was Night Siege
(Ballantine). And Ballantine sent Phil on a relatively small tour, whereas Ed
has canvassed the country twice and is going again. Many other factors, too,
such as the media coverage - the press decided early on that HV was a hoax by
a bunch of pilots, and there didn't seem to be any changing their minds. GB
had the luxury of occuring in the era of tabloid TV, and Ed took full
advantage, appearing on Lard Copy, Inside Sedition, and A Torrid Affair.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Ed Walters video
Date: 11 Nov 90 06:18:00 GMT

When My polaroid rollers are dirty they produce much different "lights"
then I saw in Ed's photos.  As an aside, do you think S-VHS is here to
stay??  I also noticed on my camcorder that bright lights leave streaks
vertically.  SHould the light from the UFO or any of the other lights
in Ed's recordings have left different streaks then they did??
  I heard that Macabee may be revising his estimate of the size of the
UFO in the "road" photo to twice as large and twice as far away.  I
remain confused as to why the obvious seems to be consitently ignored
in that photo.  It would seem that the size of the UFO is readily
established due to it's close proximity to the road.  Most roads of the
sort shown in the photo are about 28 feet wide (the blacktop part).
And there should be no problem actually measureing the road since Ed
has said exactly where it is.  Once the width of the road is known the
diameter of the UFO would be easily established.
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 333

                           Monday, November 26th 1990

Today's Topics:

                              Re: Ed Walters video
                              New crop circle idea?
                              Re: ED WALTERS VIDEO
                            Re: JFK'S UFO CONNECTION?
                               Re: AWAKE.TST FILE
                                  Re: GB Photos
                              Re: ED WALTERS VIDEO
                              Re: Ed Walters video
                               Lazar's Element 115
                         Re: Mysterious Lights In Europe

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Ed Walters video
Date: 21 Nov 90 03:19:09 GMT

>> conditions on their own...though they have gotten a lot better
>> with each new model generation.
>
> The video in question is remarkably noise-free for a tape
> shot in darkness with a first-generation Sony 8mm camcorder.
> Suspiciously noise free...........

There are subtle methods of detection...but one must know what to observe.
Naturally, there had to be *some* type of light present to obtain a visual
picture.  In addition, there has to be a certain *amount* of light to bring the
picture over the chip's noise threshold.  Early chips required more light. They
also suffered a malady due to limitations of design and manufacture.  This is
seen as the well-know 'vertical smear'...observed when the camera is shooting a
light source directly.  You may or may not notice a thin red vertical strip
intersecting the light in the picture.  Tube cameras do not exhibit this
phenomenon.  Newer chip cameras do not, either.

Along with the picture information are the effects of electronic timing
signals.  Each format has its own 'signature' of these signals...due to the way
the signals get recorded on a given format.  A standard NTSC waveform monitor
scope would help identify the signal even further.

Finally, the early 8's were severly limited to the old VHS standard of
resolution...<240 lines.  If any image not electronically enhanced seems to
show a higher grade of quality than this...it is extremely doubtful it was
recorded in that format.

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From: [e-mail] (Rod Wilson)
Subject: New crop circle idea?
Date: 22 Nov 90 02:46:04 GMT

In a message to [e-mail] <20 Nov 90 22:09:00> Kelly Shropshire
wrote:

 KS> I wonder if the crop circle phenominon is related to another kind of
 KS> circle, the so called "fairy ring" of mushroooms.

I am unfamiliar with the phenonina you describe, however I have watched two TV
shows, on the crop circles around stone henge.  The information that I have on
the crop circles is that they can form within minutes and that in each case the
molecular structure of the plant inside the circle is reported to have changed
to one of a more crystaline alignment.  I am interested in any additional
information you may have on the mushroom circles.



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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: ED WALTERS VIDEO
Date: 22 Nov 90 17:38:45 GMT

I have two video 8 units and I though the resolution was supposed to be 400
lines. I'll have to read again. One is that tiny hand held unit about the
size of an 8mm movie camera. It's been everywhere with me, and does take some
low light videos even when it says it can't. Viewfinder only, so it runs a
long time on a charge. The bigger unit with zoom and all that extra is
actually used very little. I dragged it around on one vacation and have opted
for the little one since then. My arm still hurts. 8*)

So what exactally is the problem you find in Ed's video as to noise in the
pictures, and lighting? I seem to be missing the point somewhere.
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: JFK'S UFO CONNECTION?
Date: 22 Nov 90 17:46:30 GMT

I can only say I have found no compelling evidence that the Kennedy murder
and UFO related causes. It's not evidence that makes me arrive at this
opinion, it's the lack of evidence that it had anything to do with ET's or
paranormal causes. For those who look for conspiracy in nearly everything
this case sure fits well. I hope to live long enough to see what's in the
sealed files that are supposed to be opened in 2012 or somewhere in that
range. (I think it was 50 years after the murder) I'd be about 65 then, and
considering that I smoke, it's not as likely and more healthy habits of
others. If I don't make it, I hope it was worth waiting for, for the rest of
you.

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: AWAKE.TST FILE
Date: 22 Nov 90 17:53:17 GMT

I sent the file on the echo because it was easier. I really wish there was a
Kennedy echo since it's a never ending story, and would have a place to
concentrate the discussion. One nice thing about Paranet is that I can read
all the messages in one day unlike some more active echo areas that are so
busy that it takes and hour to wade through posts. The other part is that the
level or information is better.
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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: GB Photos
Date: 22 Nov 90 17:43:00 GMT


 >   I guess Dr. Hynek didn't want to make the book too
 > shocking.  It was shocking enough!

  That's basically what Phil said.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: ED WALTERS VIDEO
Date: 22 Nov 90 17:54:01 GMT


 > Which photo has an object behind a darker tree. (If you has a
 > number from Ed's book it would be enough). I think you have some

  Photo #1 in the book. Notice that the left side of the object
appears to be behind the tree.
  Presuming the photos were cooked up in the darkroom, that wouldn't
be a big deal to do. It would be very difficult to accomplish with an
in-camera double exposure.

 > Contact Printing did come to mind. A person could remove the
 > film pack, something like a light tight bag would be necessary,
 > place the saucer photo on the blank film sheet, shine a
 > flashlight on it a few seconds, remove the original, and then
 > place it back into the camera. Now shoot a photo of anything and
 > it will have the contact print on it.

  That's pretty well feasible, except that the Polaroid film is
daylight-balanced. You'd have to know that and filter your flashlight
to blue, or the colors would be extremely yellow. That'd be a dead
giveaway.
  BTW, did you know that you can get black & white Polaroid negative
pack film? Those negs could be used for shadow/highlight masking etc.
in contact printing. Or shot in the camera.
  Not so with the later 600-series cameras, which tends to lead me
toward the idea of enlarging slides onto Polaroid in a darkroom.
That'd be by far the easiest way.

 > Since you have more photo knowledge that I about color, what
 > would the comlimentary colors be if Ed's UFO was made from a
 > negative image, contact printed onto a Polaroid? I still think
 > it look like a lantern or a lamp shade.

  A complimentary color for most of the object would be yellow, but
there's another problem in using the common C-41 negs, and that's the
heavy orange mask. Of course you could filter for it or shoot E-6 and
develop it in C-41 and you'd have a fairly strange neg but no mask.
  That's a very interesting idea. Reverse the colors and also reverse
the density. Light would be dark etc. I'll fiddle with that idea a
little.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Ed Walters video
Date: 22 Nov 90 18:09:02 GMT


 > Naturally, there had to be *some* type of light present to
 > obtain a visual picture.  In addition, there has to be a certain
 > *amount* of light to bring the picture over the chip's noise
 > threshold.  Early chips required more light.  They also suffered
 > a malady due to limitations of design and manufacture.  This is
 > seen as the well-know 'vertical smear'...observed when the
 > camera is shooting a light source directly.  You may or may not
 > notice a thin red vertical strip intersecting the light in the
 > picture.  Tube cameras do not exhibit this phenomenon.  Newer
 > chip cameras do not, either.

  Foreground illumination was a white porch/security light, which very
faintly illuminates foreground bushes. The leaves are almost not visible.
  Point-source lights are the object and streetlights.
  The rest of the image is blackness.
  In the dark areas, I didn't see anywhere near the expected level of
video noise. I didn't notice any vertical smear, and also I didn't see
any blooming of the point sources.
  Bruce said that the exposure system of the camera isn't linear in
that the gain increases in addition to the iris being opened. So, in
the circumstances, the iris should have been open and gain at maximum.
Which I'd expect to make lots of noise.

 > Along with the picture information are the effects of electronic
 > timing signals.  Each format has its own 'signature' of these
 > signals...due to the way the signals get recorded on a given
 > format.  A standard NTSC waveform monitor scope would help
 > identify the signal even further.

  That's a thought. I wonder if anyone's looked at the tape in such a
manner.

 > Finally, the early 8's were severly limited to the old VHS
 > standard of resolution...<240 lines.  If any image not
 > electronically enhanced seems to show a higher grade of quality
 > than this...it is extremely doubtful it was recorded in that
 > format.

  Resolution seems about right. The taped image wasn't anywhere near
as sharp as the monitor displayed for other tapes, which were
professionally-produced VHS. Since the ufo tape was duped onto VHS, I
expected and saw less resolution.
  Another interesting aside. I tried to talk with Bruce M. about this
stuff and he neatly avoided the issue. He was willing to talk at great
length about other things.
  The things he attributed to the camera's electronics and control
system would appear to me to be expected to make the tape worse.
Strange.
  Since the tape I saw was duped, I wouldn't be surprised if the image
was cleaned up a little, but I have some trouble believing that *all
video noise could be removed*.
  I talked with a couple of people who have seen the original tape,
and they all said it wasn't noisy or snowy.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Lazar's Element 115
Date: 24 Nov 90 18:03:16 GMT

Originally on ParaNet ET, I wrote to Pete Porro about
this Element 115.  I've some education in physics and
think that I've hit on what the stuff might actually be.

You know, there's something that bothers me about Lazer.
The reports so far indicate that he's an Electro-Physicist
but I've some doubts as to that.

First off, there's nothing in Physics to support an element
with an atomic weight of 115.  So here's the new thread....
If there's some exotic "element" that powers these craft
and assuming that nothing unusually different exists in the
universe in the way of physics, then I suggest the following..

I'm not a chemist at heart and wouldn't care to take it up
as another major, even for a Masters Degree.  It does strike
me that the discussions that I've had with Rod Wilson here
about potentials of difference may apply, f'rinstance...

An "element", with properties resembling to present day
instrumentation an atomic wieght of 115, might be a new
sort of alloy that can be fabricated out of two, perhaps
three dissimilar metals by means of a furnace in hard vacuum
with the eternal cold/background of "outer space" as a
means of "super-quenching" the material into a solid
before the base elements can separate.

Do I need to explain "Quenching" of metals?

Ok, so this alloy, when heated again releases an exothermic
reaction of these base elements trying to separate from each
other.  Hmmm, I guess a good analogy would be like freezing
a bunch of magnets together, with their "like" poles facing
each other, in another media, water or something like that.

Then you'd melt the "ice" and the magnets would "want" to
move apart, just as they should, right?  Now all we need to
keep alert for is some kind of physical clues that might be
byproducts of such a reaction.  Potassium has been indicated.
Heard of any others?

All of the universe is constrained by physics, Einstein was
most certainly correct, God does NOT play dice......


He plays piano and needs help tuning the damn thing!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Mysterious Lights In Europe
Date: 26 Nov 90 18:55:17 GMT


+ Thanks Greg.  Did it indicate that this answered all of the
+ concerns about the similarities of the UFO in Belgium?
+
+ Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:207/109

I didn't realize that there had been such concerns, although it certainly
isn't surprising in light of the proximity of the two events.  The note I
forwarded was in its entirety - there was no mention of any relationship or
lack thereof between the two events, however I would think it relatively
safe to assume that the two are unconnected (I don't recall seeing any
mention of the happenings in Belgium in the Space digest).  The Belgium
incident, at least as describe by the military's summary, holds few if any
similarities to the re-entry of the soviet rocket.

Cheers!  - Gregg

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 334

                          Saturday, December 1st 1990

Today's Topics:

                              Re: ED WALTERS VIDEO
                              Re: ED WALTERS VIDEO
                                 the Meier sightings
                                    Al Seckel
                              Re: ED WALTERS VIDEO
                     63-foot circle in dead corn in Illinois
                               Online UFO database
                        Are we becoming more respectable?
                                  Re: Al Seckel
                                  Re: Al Seckel
                            Re: New crop circle idea?
                               Online Ufo Database

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: ED WALTERS VIDEO
Date: 25 Nov 90 16:48:33 GMT

> I have two video 8 units and I though the resolution was
> supposed to be 400 lines. I'll have to read again. One is
> that tiny hand held unit about the size of an 8mm movie


Well...you should look.  It has to say *Hi-Band* or "Hi-8" to have any chance
of approaching 400 lines.  If it is the more common 8mm format...you are
limited to 230 lines or less.  That is not to say you will take poor quality
footage...just less picture resolution than you could be taking.   Happy
(video) shooting of those greys!

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: ED WALTERS VIDEO
Date: 25 Nov 90 19:35:00 GMT


 > I have two video 8 units and I though the resolution was
 > supposed to be 400 lines.

  Regular 8mm runs about 240 lines (more or less), about the same as
VHS. Hi8 is about 400 lines.

 > So what exactally is the problem you find in Ed's video as to
 > noise in the pictures, and lighting? I seem to be missing the
 > point somewhere.

  Shoot a tape in very dim light. Maybe tape an airplane in the night
sky. You should see some 'graininess' or 'snow' as compared to a tape
shot in bright sun. That's the noise we're talking about. The problem
is that Ed's video doesn't have much, and it should if it were shot as
described.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail]
Subject:      the Meier sightings
Date: 27 Nov 90 20:39:39 GMT


Can someone bring me up to date on the UFO sightings of Eduard Meier as
reported in Kinder's 1987 book 'Light Years: An Investigation into the
Extraterrestrial Experiences of Eduard Meier'?  Specifically, what's the
current view? Have these sightings (and the UFO photographs appearing in
Kinder's book) been discredited, validated, or what? Curious folks want
to know! Thanks in advance for your response.

Joe Burch




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Al Seckel
Date: 27 Nov 90 15:35:00 GMT

Does anyone know the full story on Al Seckel's downfall? All I know is that he
has been accused of falsifying his educational background. I DON'T know if the
accusation has been confirmed...I don't even know what educational background
he claimed for himself.

Why do so many in this field feel compelled to aggrandize their credentials?
Willy Smith, William Spaulding, Frank Stranges...A few years ago I was looking
for experts in various fields to come online as topic moderators. One guy who
applied for the Evolution/Creation slot claimed 4 doctorates. Naturally I
checked him out, and sure enough, one college he listed didn't even exist, the
others had never heard of him.

Myself, I'm rather proud of how far I've come virtually without ANY college
(although I deeply regret not getting a degree). If people ask, I make no
bones about it, I am not highly educated, I don't have letters after my name.
I don't think anyone's stopped listening to me because of it (they may have
stopped for other reasons, though).

Just curious, if anyone has further _confirmed_ information on the Al Seckel
incident, please post it. I know Al slightly, he seemed like a pretty
straightforward dude to me. What's happening to these skeptics, they seem to
be having their share of scandals - Gauquelin, Dennett, Randi, and now this...
tsk tsk, most unbecoming...

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: ED WALTERS VIDEO
Date: 26 Nov 90 17:56:47 GMT

Thanks for the info from both of you. I will look at some of my dark videos
which I already have since I am constantly shooting when it says it should
not be producing a picture. (like in chambered tombs or indoors by common
lamp lighting)

I can bet mine is 230 lines since the camera is a couple of years old and
not one of the newer ones. I guess I was confusing the new camers specs which
a guy at the shop mentioned when he was telling me why I want to shoot V8 and
dub to VHS or Beta, because the V8 had better resolution for the master
videos.
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From: rutgers!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms (James Shaffer Jr.)
Subject: 63-foot circle in dead corn in Illinois
Date: 29 Nov 90 08:14:48 GMT

Yesterday (11/27) I saw a short spot on the local ABC station about a
crop circle discovered in Moline, Illinois.  The circle was 63 feet in
diameter and was in a cornfield.  The farmer was quoted as saying he
thought it was done by 'flying saucers,' but the reporter mentioned that
other people (unspecified) thought it was a hoax.  Nothing was said to
indicate that either opinion was more than a 'gut reaction.'  I couldn't
tell from the pictures, which were all ground-based, whether the corn was
flattened in a spiral or circularly.  The thing I found interesting was
that it appeared to be at least partially broken.  Could this be
attributable to it being dead and dried (I'd like to see *that* softened,
bent, and hardened!) or is this an indication of a hoax?  Also, does anyone
know if this is the first one to occur in corn?  I can't remember
ever seeing any pictures anywhere that looked like corn, and I would be
quite shocked to see corn laid down without damage as the wheat always
appears to be, even if it were alive.

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Woody)
Subject: Online UFO database
Date: 29 Nov 90 00:24:00 GMT

I'm in the process of setting up an online database consisting of the
following UFO data:
Animal Mutilations
UFO Sightings
ET crash / retrieval
I already have the mutilation and crash online in the remote database and
will be adding the UFO sightings to it soon.  Anyone have data in the dbase
III format (which the remote database uses) and would like to share it with
others please let me know.
Thank you..

Jerry Woody

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From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>
Subject: Are we becoming more respectable?
Date: 30 Nov 90 05:52:29 GMT


This week I picked up a copy of Timothy Good's "Above Top Secret" at my local
B. Dalton bookstore.  Much to my surprise, it was shelved in the "Current
Events" section instead of under "New Age/Occult" where UFO books usually
are.

First "Out There", and now this.  Maybe we're finally starting to get some
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Al Seckel
Date: 28 Nov 90 22:45:00 GMT

WHat scandal did Randi have?
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Al Seckel
Date: 28 Nov 90 23:50:00 GMT


 > WHat scandal did Randi have?

He publicly accused someone of having been convicted of child molestation. It
turned out to be a false accusation.

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From: [e-mail] (Kelly Shropshire)
Subject: Re: New crop circle idea?
Date: 29 Nov 90 14:10:00 GMT

I hadn't heard about the England circles. What do they mean by
"Crystalline Structure"? Do they have direct observation of this
happening "within minutes"? Are they sure the observations are of the
phenominon happening or is it perhaps that a wind combing the plants in
a different direction reveals a circle that was already there? As for
the mushroom growth, any book on mycecology should tell you. There is
one that may be out of print, called Mushrooms, Molds and Miracles
thats a general discussion of fungi geared to the layperson.

Kelly
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Online Ufo Database
Date: 30 Nov 90 01:24:00 GMT


 > I'm in the process of setting up an online database
 > consisting of the following UFO data: Animal Mutilations
 > UFO Sightings
 > ET crash / retrieval
 > I already have the mutilation and crash online in the
 > remote database and will be adding the UFO sightings to it
 > soon.  Anyone have data in the dbase III format (which the
 > remote database uses) and would like to share it with
 > others please let me know.
 > Thank you..

Outstanding, Jerry!  What program are you using to do this?
Perhaps you might want to circulate it among the ParaNet sysops
so we can standardize the thing.

Mike

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 335

                          Wednesday, December 5th 1990

Today's Topics:

                               Online UFO database
                    Information on past Rio Grande sightings
                        Are we becoming more respectable?
                             Conference Announcement
                             Re: Online Ufo Database
                                  Echo Policies
                                Re: corn circles
            Bald head, no eyelashes, eyebrows, and pink lipstick...?
            Bald head, no eyelashes, eyebrows, and pink lipstick...?
                               Online UFO database
                             Re: ONLINE UFO DATABASE
                       OMNI MAGAZINE - SPECIAL UFO EDITION
                             Re: Online UFO database
                  Re: Information on past Rio Grande sightings
                             Re: Online UFO database

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From: [e-mail] (Brian Clark)
Subject: Online UFO database
Date: 30 Nov 90 15:13:00 GMT


 > I'm in the process of setting up an online database

Will this be available to other ParaNet sysops?  I think everyone
would probably be interested in this....

Brian

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From: "86FTSCCQ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Information on past Rio Grande sightings
Date: 2 Dec 90 03:57:45 GMT


ATTENTION:
   I'm in need of any info that the members of this net may have
about sightings up and down the Rio Grande river valley in Texas.
There is were rumors of some event that occured in the not-to-distant
past. I get the impression that this may have been in the 70s or early
80s and involved flying objects that were sighted my multiple witnesses.
A date and location would be a good start for my research.
Thanks,
   David Winters, Capt, USAF





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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Are we becoming more respectable?
Date: 1 Dec 90 01:56:00 GMT


 > From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>
 >
 > This week I picked up a copy of Timothy Good's "Above Top Secret" at my
 > local B. Dalton bookstore.  Much to my surprise, it was shelved in the
 > "Current Events" section instead of under "New Age/Occult" where UFO books
 > usually are.

How much ya wanna bet it was a mistake?


 >
 > First "Out There", and now this.  Maybe we're finally starting to get
 > some respect.

When Bob Woodward does a book on the subject, I'll think we're getting the
respect we deserve. "Out There" hardly qualifies as respectable.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Conference Announcement
Date: 1 Dec 90 18:44:00 GMT


                      EXPLORING UNEXPLAINED PHENOMENA III

                               MAY 17-19, 1991
                                 LINCOLN, NE
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                               CALL FOR PAPERS

The Fortean Research Center is pleased to announce that Lincoln, NE,
will be the site of a third "Exploring Unexplained Phenomena"
conference, May 17-19, 1991. The conference will be held at the Nebraska
Center, Holdredge and 33rd Streets. Having been the site of conferences
on the unexplained in 1982 and 1983, and the site of the international
MUFON Symposium in 1988, the Nebraska Center offers one of the finest
facilities in the country.

Abstracts of 500 words or less should be submitted on one or more of the
following areas of research and interest:
        1) UFOLOGY
        2) UFO ABDUCTIONS
        3) CRYPTOZOOLOGY
        4) PARAPSYCHOLOGY
        5) FORTEANA
        6) ANIMAL MUTILATIONS
        7) CROP CIRCLES
        8) ALTERNATIVE SCIENCE
        9) ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS
       10) MEN-IN-BLACK
       11) SPONTANEOUS HUMAN COMBUSTION
       12) MARS SURFACE FEATURES
       13) OTHER...YOU TELL US!

The initial abstract should accurately reflect the actual paper or talk
to be presented to an audience of both researchers and lay public.
Please tell us of any audio/visual needs you will have, or any special
requirements that your presentation will have.

Send the abstract to:
        Review Committee
        The Fortean Research Center
        PO Box 94627
        Lincoln, NE  68509

For further information, please write to the above address or call:
        Scott H. Colborn, Director
        The Fortean Research Center
        Day Phone: [phone]
        Home Phone: [phone]

We hope to see you in Lincoln in May, 1991!

-END-

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Woody)
Subject: Re: Online Ufo Database
Date: 1 Dec 90 04:03:00 GMT

In a message to Jerry Woody <11-29-90 18:24> Michael Corbin wrote:

MC]>Outstanding, Jerry!  What program are you using to do this?
MC]>Perhaps you might want to circulate it among the ParaNet
MC]>sysops so we can standardize the thing.

I believe Jim has one up on his system.

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From: [e-mail] (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Echo Policies
Date: 1 Dec 90 19:52:02 GMT


New readers are always joining Paranet. For their benefit, allow me to review
the rules of posting which we ask all our users to adopt:


                   ******* PARANET ECHO POLICIES ********

The following are guidelines  for the operation of the Paranet Echos on member
boards. Please take a moment to read (and understand) these policies. If we'll
adopt these attitudes, we'll have a more polite, effective network.

1. No anonymous messages may be posted on the network.   Some Paranet BBS's
   allow users to use "handles", and  USENET  users  have no opportunity to
   place their names in the "From" field. If a user uses a handle, then all
   posts to  Paranet  Echos must be signed at the  end of the message using
   the user's REAL NAME. In  the  case  of  USENET  posts, it would help to
   place the  ADDRESSEE's REAL NAME in the subject field. It is the respon-
   sibility of the Sysop of each Paranet Node to enforce this  requirement,
   either  by  reviewing  all  messages  before  release, or by disallowing
   Paranet access to users using handles.

2. Personal Attacks  are *NOT* allowed in the Net. In any echo dealing with
   issues as emotional as those with which we deal it is a matter of course
   that  the validity of testimony on the part of certain individuals  will
   be  called into question.  It is important,  however,  to remember  that
   *ALL* parties are to be treated with respect.  If you wish to question a
   person's validity, state your reservations AS YOUR OPINION. For example:
   "John  Doe  is  a totally unreliable witness"  could leave  you  legally
   vulnerable.  "I BELIEVE John Doe to be a totally unreliable witness"  is
   much better,  especially if you can add "because...".  Please be careful
   how  you  judge  the  parties  involved,  and  attempt  to  defend  your
   contentions.

3. Any user who is found to have knowingly and deliberately posted false or
   misleading  information  regarding  the  activities of the United States
   Government,  its intelligence  agencies and/or operatives,  with respect
   to the investigation of UFOs or other related matters,  will  be  locked
   out  of  the  network  immediately   and  permanently,  and  their  name
   circulated to other UFO investigatory groups.

4. Direct Flames  are  best posted elsewhere. They will not be tolerated in
   the echos.

5. References  should be included if required for clarity.  Some users tend
   to  copy  the  entirity of previous messages  before  responding,  while
   others  never  quote anything and simply make  comments  about  previous
   posts.   You  should remember that many boards don't hold  all  messages
   forever.  Quote (if your software  allows it)  or  at  least  paraphrase
   (write  a  simple summary of) the content  of  the message you refer to.
   Please  DO NOT  quote the  entire  message,  as this is just expense for
   all boards concerned.  Quote only the germaine material.

6. Please make  all  messages conform to the specified content of the  Echo
   Area in which you are posting.  Putting  the  messages in the right pile
   makes it MUCH easier to make sense out of the stacks of messages.

7. Enforcement.  Users who violate these guidelines will  be advised of the
   lapse by the Echo Moderator. After three violation notices,  the user is
   to be locked out of Paranet areas by the sysop.  A FIRST lockout will be
   for  THIRTY DAYS.  A  SECOND lockout will be for NINETY days.  The THIRD
   lockout  will  be PERMANENT.  Sysops who refuse to lock out  troublesome
   users  can be dropped from the net by the Paranet Administrator.   Users
   who  believe  the Moderator has been unfair in requesting a lockout  can
   request  that  their Sysop plead their case in the Sysop Echo.  In  such
   cases,  ALL net Sysops will be asked to vote on the matter.  Vote of the
   net is binding on all concerned.

Doug Rogers
Echo Moderator




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From: [e-mail] (Robert B. Murdock)
Subject: Re: corn circles
Date: 3 Dec 90 04:17:21 GMT

+From: rutgers!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms (James Shaffer Jr.)
+Subject: 63-foot circle in dead corn in Illinois
+Date: 29 Nov 90 08:14:48 GMT

+Yesterday (11/27) I saw a short spot on the local ABC station about a
+crop circle discovered in Moline, Illinois.  The circle was 63 feet in
+diameter and was in a cornfield.  ...

*----*

Now hang on just a second here.  I grew up on the south-west outskirts of
Champaign, Illinois.  Immediately behind Robeson Elementary school there
was a huge (seemed to me as a child) cornfield.  During the summer &
during the first month of school in the fall, me & all my buddies would
go playing in the cornfields - hide & seek, tag, kill-the-guy-thats-got-it,
WW-II solidiers, whatever.  FREQUENTLY, we would encounter areas in the
field that were 10, 20, 50 feet or more in diameter where no corn grew,
or the growth of the corn was stunted.  These areas were 'forts' or "bases"
or 'home'.

Anyway, it was common knowledge that these areas occured for one of two
reasons:  there was a depression where water could stand for days on
end, effectively drowning the corn (this farmer did not practice contour
farming).  The other reason:  the farm implement used to plant the corn
gets hosed up &s - & an area that is about as wide as the planter &
about as long as it takes the farmer to notice DOES NOT GET PLANTED.

One might think that in the 2nd case, the area would be rougly rectangular,
but because the corn seed did not cease coming out of the planter in a
uniform manner, & due to wind & erosion, usually, these areas were also
roughly circular or oval.

I may need to be corrected, but I think the problem in corn fields is some-
what related to what I understand is called a 'glade' in a deciduous forest.
While living (briefly) in Michigan, I came across an area in a nearby forest
that was 300-500 feet in diameter, virtually circular, roughly flat, &
completely void of trees.  The locals explained to me that it had something
to do with the water table & mineral deposits near the surface that made
that particular area unsuitable for trees (although there was plenty of
wild grass).

Conclusing:  I tend to conclude that merely circular objects in nature are
not that uncommon, & do not jump to the conclusion that because I see an
interesting shape that appears to be not man-made that it necessarily is
not man-made, nor caused by natural forces.

-Robert

Robert B. Murdock
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From: [e-mail] (Josh Slates)
Subject: Bald head, no eyelashes, eyebrows, and pink lipstick...?
Date: 2 Dec 90 00:22:14 GMT

Tell me Brian... I got down some of the info on the MIB experiences
here in Missouri... tell me more.  What are some of your theories?
Actually, if the people didn't match the MIB specs, what else might
they be?  Paranormal beings, maybe?

According to Budd Hopkins and several other people who have had
run-ins with the MIB, they are described as bald, with no facial hair,
real tall, black suit, dark-white shirt, and black tie... with what
else but what appears to be pink lipstick?  (They also have been
described as looking like undertakers on steroids.)




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From: [e-mail] (Brian Clark)
Subject: Bald head, no eyelashes, eyebrows, and pink lipstick...?
Date: 2 Dec 90 16:19:00 GMT


 > Tell me Brian... I got down some of the info on the MIB
 > experiences
 > here in Missouri... tell me more.  What are some of your
 > theories?

Actually, first, I should describe to the other readers what the
heck we are talking about!  What we are dealing with here seems
to be some kind of variation on the Men In Black situation.  All
the information I have right now is unverified and second-person,
but let me tell you what I found out....

A young female college student was driving on Hwy 63 around
Jefferson City, MO.  She saw a middle-aged man standing by the
road hitch-hiking.  He was well dressed in a white suit and
carried an expensive looking suitcase, so she figured it was safe
to pick him up.  He got in the car and there was little or no
discussion between them.  Then, after five minutes or so, the
hitch-hiker said, "Are you ready for the end of the world?"  The
girl turned to look at the man, sure that he would be pointing a
gun in her direction.  When she turned to look, there was no one
in the car.

She immediately pulled over and called the Highway Patrol.  The
Highway Patrol told her that her's was the sixth call describing
an event like that around the areas of Jefferson City.  A
graduate student in medicine who was present in the room when the
story was told to me said that he had heard of similar cases at
Baler Univeristy in Texas.

Has anyone heard about such events?  Any connection with the men
in black?

I will try to track down the primary source on this one and get a
statement/description of the events for posting....

Brian

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Online UFO database
Date: 2 Dec 90 18:35:00 GMT


 >  > I'm in the process of setting up an online database
 >
 > Will this be available to other ParaNet sysops?  I think everyone would
 > probably be interested in this....
 >


Brian:

The system Jerry is using the one you freq'd from me. More details to follow.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: ONLINE UFO DATABASE
Date: 30 Nov 90 16:35:34 GMT

Nice thing about this DBASE type file is that I now have TDBS which uses
DbaseIII+ type files. Maybe I can use this also. Next I have to learn the
language when I have all my free time. 8*)
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From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked (Mike Dobbs)
Subject: OMNI MAGAZINE - SPECIAL UFO EDITION
Date: 3 Dec 90 22:20:56 GMT


ALERT.......
The December Issue of Omni Magazine is a UFO special edition... so you
might want to pick it up.  There are a lot of photos of crop circles.
There are articles about 'cosmic watergate', SETI, Crop circles, "The
Alien Almanac', etc.

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From: [e-mail] (John Tender)
Subject: Re: Online UFO database
Date: 2 Dec 90 22:58:41 GMT


 JW> I'm in the process of setting up an online database consisting
 JW> of the following UFO data:
 JW> Animal Mutilations
 JW> UFO Sightings
 JW> ET crash / retrieval

     Interesting project. I can't help you right now with any dBase
info, but I can offer my assistance in helping maintain the database.

     I've recently been working with a free-form database program called
askSam, which appears better suited to text-based reports like those
above. askSam also incorporates a type of hypertext, and a hook for
add-on graphics display. I have some information on unusual aerial
phenomena in a few askSam databases, but they are of an encyclopedic
nature rather than individual reports.

     How does someone obtain access to your online system?

    from the purlieus of Pittsburgh
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From: [e-mail] (Houston Mayer)
Subject: Re: Information on past Rio Grande sightings
Date: 4 Dec 90 04:00:00 GMT

There was a Hornbuckel Ridge abduction east of Alamogordo, NM in late 1974
or early 1975.  I think Hustler or Playboy carried the article.  Basically
an Air Force Sargent was in the Sacramento Mountains and was given a tour of
the vehicle and released unharmed.  I wouldn't be surprised if you found
information of sightings all along the Rio Grande particularly the
"corridor" (sp) around the Sandia Lab.  Isn't it strange that the Rio Grande
is just across a ridge from Soccuro, the final resting place of the Roswell
craft.  There was a lot of activity in that area a few years ago.  The land
is wide open, but a lot is Military, Ft Bliss (related ranges), White Sands
Missle Range, Holloman AFM (Related ranges) Trinity Site and NASA on the Rio
Grande side of the mountain.

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Woody)
Subject: Re: Online UFO database
Date: 3 Dec 90 22:37:00 GMT

In a message to Jerry Woody <11-30-90 08:13> Brian Clark wrote:


BC]>Will this be available to other ParaNet sysops?  I think
BC]>everyone would probably be interested in this....

Sure Brian.. I believe Jim Speiser already has RAD going on his System.  I'm
in the process of entering the 1989 thru 1990 MUFON Intelligence UFO
sighting reports (9 pages long -- over 300 sightings -- eeeek!) and  my own
animal mutilation cases files... not sure if Jim has all of these but the
RAD database is Freq from Jim's board, any DDS board or I can put it up here
if anyone wants.  It's pretty neat, lets one find files on keyword, displays
them by fields, counts occurences, allows users to add to the database, the
whole nine yards.

Anyone is welcome to call down this way and try it out if they like.

Jerry

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 336

                           Sunday, December 9th 1990

Today's Topics:

                              A-12 Scandal Brewing
                     Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition
                          upcoming 'Unsolved Mysteries'
                  Re: Information on past Rio Grande sightings
                                      Rio Grande
                             Re: Online UFO database
                               Lazar's Element 115
                                     Netmail
                     Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition
                             crop circle newsletter
                                   Statistics
                           Re: Navy intelligence cryp
                            Re: Navy intelligence cry
                                 Re: Rio Grande
        Nope... no premature baldness. But I see humanoids in body suits!
                                   Re: Netmail
                                  Re: Al seckel
                                  Re: Al seckel
                                  Danny Gordon
                                Jean-Pierre Petit
                     Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition
                       Re: OMNI MAGAZINE - SPECIAL UFO ED

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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu![e-mail]
Subject: A-12 Scandal Brewing
Date: 6 Dec 90 00:09:15 GMT


From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

Associated Press reports that the three top overseers of the A-12 Avenger
program are being forced out over their failure to report 'serious flaws'
in the aircraft's development.

Vice Admiral Richard Gentz, head of the Naval Air Systems Command, will be
forcibly retired February 1.  Two other officers, Rear Admiral John Calvert
and Captain Lawrence Elberfeld, were censured and reassigned.

The A-12 is reportedly a year behind schedule and 20 percent over its budget
of $4.7 billion.  The contractors, General Dynamics and McDonnell Douglas,
reported in June that they would be unable to meet production deadlines and
that the A-12 could not meet its performance standards.

There were also allegations that General Dynamics interfered with government
inspectors by requiring them to turn their notes over to the company for
classification review.  Some of the notes were subsequently lost.

The A-12, one of a new generation of exotic stealth aircraft, has been named
as a possible source of UFO reports in the New Mexico/Nevada/California area.




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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition
Date: 6 Dec 90 04:20:00 GMT

In a message to All <12-04-90 02:14> Hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com![e-mail] wrote:

> From: Mike Dobbs <[e-mail]>

> ALERT.......
> The December Issue of Omni Magazine is a UFO special
> edition... so you
> might want to pick it up.  There are a lot of photos of
> crop circles.
> There are articles about 'cosmic watergate', SETI, Crop
> circles, "The
> Alien Almanac', etc.

Thank you for the update, Mike.  I purchased a copy of it, and was not too
impressed with the superficial nature of the coverage.  What does others
think about it?

Mike

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From: vanth!cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com![e-mail]
Subject: upcoming 'Unsolved Mysteries'
Date: 6 Dec 90 06:22:46 GMT

From: rutgers!vanth!jms (Jim Shaffer)

At the end of tonight's episode of 'Unsolved Mysteries' the preview of next
week's episode included a UFO case in Canada that I've never heard of.  A
woman supposedly has some pictures that defy explanation.  Unfortunately
all they showed were some amorphous blobs on a totally black background.
Does anyone know what this might be about?

Also, someone on CompuServe said he thought they were going to cover the
Cash/Landrum incident soon.  It certainly deserves coverage, and the 10th
anniversary of it should be coming up if I'm not mistaken, so maybe we'll
see it.  But apparently not next week.

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From: [e-mail] (Doug Kraft)
Subject: Re: Information on past Rio Grande sightings
Date: 5 Dec 90 04:12:00 GMT

po> ATTENTION:
po>    I'm in need of any info that the members of this net may
po> have
po> about sightings up and down the Rio Grande river valley in
po> Texas.
po> There is were rumors of some event that occured in the
po> not-to-distant
po> past. I get the impression that this may have been in the
po> 70s or early
po> 80s and involved flying objects that were sighted my
po> multiple witnesses.
po> A date and location would be a good start for my research.
po> Thanks,
po>    David Winters, Capt, USAF


Well this is interesting...

No offense I hope, but might I ask if you are seeking this information in
an OFFICIAL capacity or as merely as a concerned citizen... If the latter,
then why bother with the official title (this could be more hindrance than
help around herere!).  Some of the folks around here believe that the gov't
is launching an intense disinformation campaign about UFO's (and for some
pretty good reasons), of which the Air Force plays some role... Better get
your flak-jacket on!

BTW... Nope haven't heard of any specific activity in that area, but not
from that area either...

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From: mtus5.bitnet![e-mail]
Subject:      Rio Grande
Date: 6 Dec 90 20:17:53 GMT

From: [e-mail]

When you (whomever it was...sorry) mentioned that the Roswell NM crash
was located near Socorro, is that the same Socorro as was the home
place for the sighting in the Lonnie Zamora case?  Any other
connections?

James




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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Woody)
Subject: Re: Online UFO database
Date: 5 Dec 90 22:37:00 GMT

In a message to Jerry Woody <12-02-90 15:58> John Tender wrote:

JT]>info, but I can offer my assistance in helping maintain the
JT]>database.
JT]>     I've recently been working with a free-form database
JT]>program called
JT]>askSam, which appears better suited to text-based reports
JT]>like those
JT]>above. askSam also incorporates a type of hypertext, and a
JT]>hook for

Hello John;

Thank you for your reply and offer of assistance.  Unfortunately the program
is 'hard coded' for dbase III and dbase III+ files.  There is a handy little
program about 67 kb if I remember right that comes with the package that
will allow a person to edit and add dbase III files offline.  Of course
online a person can add, find, count, etc. the files.

JT]>add-on graphics display. I have some information on unusual
JT]>aerial
JT]>phenomena in a few askSam databases, but they are of an
JT]>encyclopedic
JT]>nature rather than individual reports.

Sounds very interesting John.

JT]>     How does someone obtain access to your online system?

The Frontier is a free system so anyone who calls has access on there first
call. Security level 8 if they answer the questionaire, 5 if they don't.
The parameters are 8/N/1 and running at 300/1200/2400/9600/*hst*.  The
number is 1-205-739-1469 and located in North Central Alabama.

Jer

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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Lazar's Element 115
Date: 6 Dec 90 03:25:43 GMT


 > Originally on ParaNet ET, I wrote to Pete Porro about
 > this Element 115.  I've some education in physics and
 > think that I've hit on what the stuff might actually
 > be.
 >
 > You know, there's something that bothers me about
 > Lazer.
 > The reports so far indicate that he's an Electro-
 > Physicist
 > but I've some doubts as to that.
 >
 > First off, there's nothing in Physics to support an
 > element
 > with an atomic weight of 115.  So here's the new
 > thread....
 > If there's some exotic "element" that powers these
 > craft
 > and assuming that nothing unusually different exists
 > in the
 > universe in the way of physics, then I suggest the
 > following..
 >
 > I'm not a chemist at heart and wouldn't care to take
 > it up
 > as another major, even for a Masters Degree.  It does
 > strike
 > me that the discussions that I've had with Rod Wilson
 > here
 > about potentials of difference may apply,
 > f'rinstance...
 >
 > An "element", with properties resembling to present
 > day
 > instrumentation an atomic wieght of 115, might be a
 > new
 > sort of alloy that can be fabricated out of two,
 > perhaps
 > three dissimilar metals by means of a furnace in hard
 > vacuum
 > with the eternal cold/background of "outer space" as a
 > means of "super-quenching" the material into a solid
 > before the base elements can separate.
 >
 > Do I need to explain "Quenching" of metals?
 >
 > Ok, so this alloy, when heated again releases an
 > exothermic
 > reaction of these base elements trying to separate
 > from each
 > other.  Hmmm, I guess a good analogy would be like
 > freezing
 > a bunch of magnets together, with their "like" poles
 > facing
 > each other, in another media, water or something like
 > that.
 >
 > Then you'd melt the "ice" and the magnets would "want"
 > to
 > move apart, just as they should, right?  Now all we
 > need to
 > keep alert for is some kind of physical clues that
 > might be
 > byproducts of such a reaction.  Potassium has been
 > indicated.
 > Heard of any others?
 >
 > All of the universe is constrained by physics,
 > Einstein was
 > most certainly correct, God does NOT play dice......
 >
 >
 > He plays piano and needs help tuning the damn thing!
 >
Is anybody out there listening?  I've been having
trouble getting the mail out of late, any replies?

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Netmail
Date: 5 Dec 90 17:29:00 GMT


Will the UUCP user with the username BAD please repeat your netmail message
to me? It got deleted from my mailbox before I had a chance to respond, and I
didn't exactly memorize the address - something with a bunch of exclamation
points and cryptic words....<grin>

Thanks,
      Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition
Date: 7 Dec 90 04:28:12 GMT

In a message of <05 Dec 90 21:20:00>, Michael Corbin (1:310/8) writes:

 >Thank you for the update, Mike.  I purchased a copy of it, and was not
 >too impressed with the superficial nature of the coverage.  What does
 >others think about it?

 I too felt that it was very general. But there were two items I found
interesting. One was the photos of the crop "circles".  I'm interested in
finding out how these were done. Even if a hoax, it's a good one.
 The other interesting and thought provoking and slightly frightening article
was about the Electronic Frontier Foundation. For those that haven't read the
article, the US Secret Service suspected a computer software games manufacturer
of producing a game that was "a handbook for computer crime" (supposedly said
by one of the agents). They proceeded to confiscate computers and software. All
of this is based on suspicion. The frightening part is in wondering how far the
Govt. can go with this; not only in this incident but what about computer
networks and BBS's?


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From: [e-mail] (Michele Lord)
Subject: crop circle newsletter
Date: 8 Dec 90 05:38:46 GMT

The local dowsing group came across a newsletter and a
research group in U.K. I haven't received their information
yet but I thought some of you might be interested in looking
into it. For information about the Center write:
     Hon. Assistant Secretary
     Center for Crop Circle Studies
     P.O. Box 146
     Guildford
     Surrey GU2 5JY
     United Kingdom

For a year's subscription to their newsletter (3 Issues):
     The Cereologist (Journal for Crop Circle Studies)
     11 Powis Gardens
     London. U.K. W11 1JG
($17.00 U.S.)

If anyone in U.K. reads this posting, maybe you could check
this out and tell me if they have good information. (Thanks,
in advance.)

Michele Lord
([e-mail])




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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Statistics
Date: 7 Dec 90 22:45:00 GMT


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Overview of message topics                          "ParaNet UFO Echo"
first: Sat, Sep 1st 1990, 7:34           last: Fri, Dec 7th 1990, 2:08
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Mystery Teletype ..........................................  63   9.2%
CROP CIRCLES ..............................................  26   3.8%
Ed Walters Video ..........................................  23   3.4%
Horse-patooties And Sonic Booms ...........................  17   2.5%
_out There ................................................  17   2.5%
Kecksburg Incident ........................................  15   2.2%
Betz Comment ..............................................  14   2.1%
Gb Photos .................................................  14   2.1%
Bermuda Triangle ..........................................  12   1.8%
Santa Barbara (continued) .................................  11   1.6%
Out There By Blum .........................................  10   1.5%
Bill Cooper's Book ........................................   9   1.3%
Online Ufo Database .......................................   9   1.3%
Oprah Winfrey .............................................   9   1.3%
The Salisberrys ...........................................   9   1.3%
Gulf Breeze Six:  Deja Vu .................................   8   1.2%
JFK's UFO Connection? .....................................   8   1.2%
(none) ....................................................   7   1.0%
Conclusion - Gulf Breeze ..................................   7   1.0%
Gb Model ..................................................   7   1.0%
Waiting Mail ..............................................   7   1.0%
Belgium ...................................................   6   0.9%
Designs ...................................................   6   0.9%
Ed's Multi-witness Event ..................................   6   0.9%
George Green ..............................................   6   0.9%
Jackie Gleason ............................................   6   0.9%
Kecksburg Ufo .............................................   6   0.9%
Mj-12 Controversy In Usenet Sci.skeptic ...................   6   0.9%
New Crop Circle Idea? .....................................   6   0.9%
Wheatfield Circles, Phase Ii? .............................   6   0.9%
Aliases ...................................................   5   0.7%
Awake.tst File ............................................   5   0.7%
Ed's Video ................................................   5   0.7%
HARD COPY/BEL. UFO ........................................   5   0.7%
Santa Barbara Conference ..................................   5   0.7%
Sonic Booms ...............................................   5   0.7%
Ufology ...................................................   5   0.7%
Verifiable Sources ........................................   5   0.7%
Berm Triangle .............................................   4   0.6%
Blum ......................................................   4   0.6%
Circles ...................................................   4   0.6%
Delivery ..................................................   4   0.6%
Information On Past Rio Grande Sightings ..................   4   0.6%
Jung's Theories Of Ufos ...................................   4   0.6%
Me ........................................................   4   0.6%
Mysterious Lights In Europe ...............................   4   0.6%
Navy Intelligence Crypto ..................................   4   0.6%
Odd Aircraft ..............................................   4   0.6%
Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition .......................   4   0.6%
Pessimism And Optimism ....................................   4   0.6%
Al Seckel .................................................   3   0.4%
Are We Becoming More Respectable? .........................   3   0.4%
Bentwaters, England .......................................   3   0.4%
Bill English Tapes ........................................   3   0.4%
Censors And Odd Aircraft ..................................   3   0.4%
Creating Digitized Gif Pictures ...........................   3   0.4%
Davis Sea Happenings ......................................   3   0.4%
Face On Mars On _unsolved Mysteries .......................   3   0.4%
Gb Sentinel ...............................................   3   0.4%
Gulf Breeze Update ........................................   3   0.4%
Kecksburg, PA Crash Story .................................   3   0.4%
Krill .....................................................   3   0.4%
Need Radar Experts & Historians ...........................   3   0.4%
No Refutations Of Remote Viewing ..........................   3   0.4%
Paranet Newsletter 302 ....................................   3   0.4%
Paranet Posting Guidelines ................................   3   0.4%
Primary Sources ...........................................   3   0.4%
Teletype Message ..........................................   3   0.4%
Ufo Crash In Russia .......................................   3   0.4%
Ufo's; Bermuda Triangle ...................................   3   0.4%
Walters Case ..............................................   3   0.4%
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"extortion" Letter ........................................   2   0.3%
63-foot Circle In Dead Corn In Illinois ...................   2   0.3%
A Review Of 'out There ....................................   2   0.3%
Aviation Week - Part 4 ....................................   2   0.3%
Bald Head, No Eyelashes, Eyebrows, And Pink Lips [...] ....   2   0.3%
Bouncing Mail To Fidonet Addresses ........................   2   0.3%
Cancel <[e-mail]> .........................   2   0.3%
Computer Breeze ...........................................   2   0.3%
Corn Circles ..............................................   2   0.3%
Echo Policies .............................................   2   0.3%
Ed Walters News Article ...................................   2   0.3%
Faked Ufo Pictures ........................................   2   0.3%
Files .....................................................   2   0.3%
Gif Pictures ..............................................   2   0.3%
Gulf Breeze Report ........................................   2   0.3%
Howard Blum ...............................................   2   0.3%
I'd Like To Subscribe To Paranet ..........................   2   0.3%
Indian Point (1) ..........................................   2   0.3%
Lazar's Element 115 .......................................   2   0.3%
Maccabee Rebuttal .........................................   2   0.3%
Mayor Ed Vs. Mr. Ed .......................................   2   0.3%
Mhd .......................................................   2   0.3%
Mufon .....................................................   2   0.3%
Oregon Lake Bed Design ....................................   2   0.3%
Paranet.alpha .............................................   2   0.3%
Playing Tag On Radar ......................................   2   0.3%
Posting Guidelines ........................................   2   0.3%
Public Release ............................................   2   0.3%
Reprint Of Letter .........................................   2   0.3%
Returned Mail: Host Unknown ...............................   2   0.3%
Seti Update ...............................................   2   0.3%
Southern Hemisphere SETI ..................................   2   0.3%
The 'face On Mars' On 'unsolved Mysteries .................   2   0.3%
The Meier Sightings .......................................   2   0.3%
Transmission Of Gif Files? ................................   2   0.3%
Tv Show Notifications .....................................   2   0.3%
Ufo Capital ...............................................   2   0.3%
Ufo Spotlight .............................................   2   0.3%
Ulysses Ufo? ..............................................   2   0.3%
Wheat Field Patterns ......................................   2   0.3%
Williamsburg Iowa 28 October 90 ...........................   2   0.3%
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From: [e-mail] (David Stager)
Subject: Re: Navy intelligence cryp
Date: 1 Dec 90 01:00:43 GMT

Pete:
    If you have any further interest, I've uploaded CIA_JFK.TXT to this
bulletin board.  Contains some new information you might be interested
in.  DCS

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Navy intelligence cry
Date: 30 Nov 90 17:12:32 GMT

>     If you have any further interest, I've uploaded CIA_JFK.TXT to
>  this bulletin board.  Contains some new information you might be
>  interested in.  DCS

Available for FReq or download as "CIA_JFK" (no .TXT).
Sorry for interrupting the echo.

Regards,
Rick Moen, Sysop


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From: [e-mail] (Houston Mayer)
Subject: Re: Rio Grande
Date: 8 Dec 90 03:39:00 GMT

It was Sacoro, the home of Disney's Elfuago (sp) Baca.

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From: [e-mail] (Josh Slates)
Subject: Nope... no premature baldness. But I see humanoids in body suits!
Date: 8 Dec 90 04:28:51 GMT

I just read the UFO OMNI all the way through, and when I came across
the "Are You a Alien/Human hybrid" section.  It had to be the hokiest
and stupidest UFO article out of OMNI.

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Netmail
Date: 8 Dec 90 05:51:40 GMT

> Will the UUCP user with the username BAD please repeat your
> netmail message to me? It got deleted from my mailbox before I had
> a chance to respond, and I didn't exactly memorize the address -
> something with a bunch of exclamation points and cryptic
> words....<grin>

Some sort of "...here!there!everywhere!whodat" business, I
assume?

Best Regards,
[e-mail]
llnl!wyrm!207!Rick.Moen




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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Al seckel
Date: 8 Dec 90 07:07:44 GMT

JS> Does anyone know the full story on Al Seckel's downfall? All I
JS> know is that he has been accused of falsifying his educational
JS> background. I DON'T know if the accusation has been confirmed...I
JS> don't even know what educational background he claimed for himself.

Jim --

By a no doubt deeply meaningless coincidence, I just got the
following e-mail from Page Stevens, chair of South Shore Skeptics
in Cleveland:

PS> From: !cleveland.Freenet.Edu!xx029 (Skeptics SIG)
PS> SUBJECT: Request info on Al Seckel flap ( S. Ca. Skeptic Executive director
)
PS> This just appeared on our board.
PS>
PS> From: [e-mail] (Dale Wedge)
PS> Subject: So. Calif. Skeptics
PS>
PS> I was reading in the recent issue of "Saucer Smear" of some
PS> troubles with a Skeptics organization in Southern Cali-
PS> fornia.  I was wondering if the Cleveland Skeptics had a comment
PS> on the matter since it would be interesting to set the record
PS> straight if need be.
PS>
PS> I quote directly from the tomme:
PS>
PS> And Bigfootologist ERIK BECKJORD writes as follows regarding
PS> this alleeged scandal with the Southern California Skeptics:
PS>
PS> "CSICOP is higing its face of late, due to a scandal regarding
PS> the Executive Director of the (Southern California) group,
PS> who has been scheduling lectures on the UCLA and CALTECH cam-
PS> puses at $8.00 admission for the past several years.  Various
PS> famous anti-ufologists have lectured for the group, in-
PS> cluding Uncle Phil Klass and Cousin Bob Sheaffer.  It seems
PS> that good ol' Al Seckel has been found out by other members
PS> of CSICOP who responded to the whistle blown by yours truly.
PS>
PS> They checked his claim, made on a talk program in the Los
PS> Angeles area, that his is a 'physicist'.  This claim was
PS> made on the Tom Lykis Show on station KFI.  The KFI people
PS> challenged him, as did I, and he admitted he only has a B.A.
PS> degree, from Caltech.  (Others say he said Cornell.)  He said
PS> that he was working on a Ph.D. at a local university, and
PS> that he has a Master's degree in physics, but he would not say
PS> from where.  Calling UCLA, USC, and Caltech, none of them hada
PS> ever heard of him.  No B.A. either.  Now, according to a former
PS> secretary for the group, national CSICOP has gotten into
PS> the act, and has found out that our boy never got a B.A. degree
PS> even, from anywhere, must less Caltech or Cornell.
PS>
PS> "Furthermore, there is some question of a missing $8,000.
PS> (I saw Al Seckel at the Klass lecture, driving a brand new
PS> red Datsun 300ZX.)
PS>
PS> "You will remember the great scam of Williard McIntyre of
PS> MARCEN fame.  Well, now CSICOP has one of its own.  CSICOP
PS> debunks phoney psychics.  WHO DEBUNKS CSICOP??"
PS>
PS> Again, the above was written by ERIK BECKJORD with no input from
PS> me in any way.  Just wanted to know what the Skeptics have to
PS> say about it.

This is not exactly straight from the horse's mouth (perhaps
other body parts...).  It's from cryptozoologist Erik Beckjord to
Dale Wedge to Page Stevens to Rick Moen to _you_.  Ah, technology!

Please note that Al Seckel is not connected in any way I know of
with CSICOP, except in having his name listed as a technical
consultant.  He has in no way ever spoken for CSICOP, to my
knowledge, making this _not_ a "CSICOP scam", contrary to Mr.
Beckjord's innuendo-for-fun-and-profit routine.

Aside from the above, I don't know nuttin'.

> ... What's happening to these skeptics, they seem to be having
> their share of scandals - Gauquelin, Dennett, Randi, and now this...

Gauquelin (emphatically not a skeptic):  CSICOP designed a test
  of his neo-astrological "Mars Effect" claims.  There were
  allegations of inadequacy in the tests.  Everything was about
  to be straightened out when Gauquelin threatened all and sundry
  with lawsuits.  The experiments and investigations were dropped
  in the face of this threat.  That was it, except that editor
  Marcello Truzzi and Fellow Dennis Rawlins left CSICOP.  Rawlins
  published an over-the-top, frenzied attack on CSICOP in "Fate"
  magazine.  Truzzi founded an alternative skeptics' journal.

Dennett:  Michael R. Dennett was one of the heads of Northwest
  Skeptics.  Nothing wrong with him, that I've heard.  I think
  Jim means John Merrell, formerly the other head of NW Skeptics.
  Merrell failed to watch his language in describing a self-
  described psychic, and lost a libel action.

Randi:  Magician James "The Amazing" Randi is being sued by Uri
  Geller and an associate.  Litigation is still pending, so I can
  say little, except that the charges are very weak, and the
  obvious aim is just to wear Randi down with lawyers' fees.
  (Geller is very much richer.)

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Al seckel
Date: 8 Dec 90 07:09:32 GMT


 >> WHat scandal did Randi have?

> He publicly accused someone of having been convicted of child
> molestation. It turned out to be a false accusation.

There's a great deal more to it.  I can't say, while Randi is
still in litigation, though.

Regards,
Rick M.



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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Danny Gordon
Date: 8 Dec 90 20:47:00 GMT

Don has asked me to upload the following message as his mailer
grundged it.

(626)   Fri 7 Dec 90  6:32p
By: Don Ecker
To: All
Re: Danny Gordon
St: Sent
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To All ParaNet Members;

On  December  6th,  1990,  I received what  appears  to  be  the  last
newsletter  published  by Danny B. Gordon. Gordon, if you  don't  know
him,  is the Co-Author of the little paperback book "Don't  Look  Up",
which chronicled the Wytheville, Virgina UFO "Flap" that took place in
the latter 1980's.

Gordon  is  the  news director of  WYVE,  and  almost  single-handedly
brought  the  Wytheville occurances to public  awareness.  During  the
course  of  Danny Gordon's investigations, he was at  first  convinced
that  these objects may have been some sort of military  testing,  but
the objects matched nothing anyone had ever heard of. Later, NASA vans
started  turing up, the proverbial black cars with mysterious "men  in
black",  and  as Gordon attempted to pursue the enigma  and  make  the
public aware, IRS audits happened to him, his mail began showing signs
that it was tampered with, his phone was then tapped, he became  aware
that he was followed, and apparently under someones surveillance,  his
home  was,  to  use Gordons words "visited by  weirdos",  and  he  was
"receiving  calls from God knows who." He finally decided to drop  out
of the active UFO field by the mysterious shooting that blinded his 19
year old son, for life.

Danny, You Will Be Missed.......................................

Don Ecker
ParaNet Director of Security

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 8 Dec 90 20:48:00 GMT


Don asked me to upload this as his mailer grunged it.

(627)   Fri 7 Dec 90  6:45p
By: Don Ecker
To: All
Re: Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
St: Sent
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To All Members;

Recently  I received an English translation of an interview  that  was
carried  in the French "Paris Match" newspaper. The interview  was  of
Professor Jean-Pierre Petit. For any of you that do not know who Petit
is,  he is the Director of the French National Research Center,  which
places  Petit at the "top" of the scientific establishment in  Europe.
Petit was interviewed after returning from Belgium, where he had  been
studying  the  UFO  flap that had been in progress  there.  Petit  had
dropped a number of "bombs" in the interview, including calling  GEPAN
a  deliberate disinformation apparatus. GEPAN is for any of  you  that
are  unaware, the Frech equivalent of MUFON, is semi-official, and  in
the  past  J. A. Hynek, as well as Jacques Vallee,  have  worked  very
closely with them.

As  soon  as I complete scanning the interview in,  and  checking  for
accuracy, I will upload the file, and leave a message giving the name.

Regards;

Don

PS, this is one that you will not want to miss, I guarantee it.

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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition
Date: 8 Dec 90 00:27:00 GMT

Mike:
      re:  Superficial nature of OMNI UFO issue

 That was my exact reaction, although I liked the color photos of the
crop circles.  Those alone were worth the price of the magazine.

BTW, please let me know your new "snail mail" address in Wyoming.

                         --  John
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: OMNI MAGAZINE - SPECIAL UFO ED
Date: 8 Dec 90 04:50:49 GMT

I have some files about the computer software co that had all it's equipment
confiscated, including the beta versions of a game, documentation, and the
development machines. Quite the scandle, and a misunderstanding on the part
of the agents. If you want it, I can attach it some night?
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 337

                          Tuesday, December 11th 1990

Today's Topics:

                                   Re: Netmail
                                  Re: Al seckel
                                Phoenix Skeptics
                             Phoenix Skeptics cont.
                           Re: NAVY INTELLIGENCE CRYP
                                 Phenom 12-7-90
                             Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
                             Phoenix Skeptics cont.
                                         Help
                                    Don Ecker
                        Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
                     Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Part 2
                     Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Part 3

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Netmail
Date: 9 Dec 90 17:02:00 GMT


 >
 > Some sort of "...here!there!everywhere!whodat" business, I
 > assume?
 >
 > Best Regards,
 > [e-mail]
 > ...llnl!wyrm!207!Rick.Moen

Something like that.

[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Al seckel
Date: 9 Dec 90 17:11:00 GMT

I missed that article in Smear as I tend to skip over anything written by
Beckjord.

My sincere apologies to Michael Dennett, I DID mean John Merrell. Dennett
happens to be an excellent spokesman for the skeptical movement.

Randi had some other troubles which you may not have heard about. He
allegedly accused Eldon Byrd of being a convicted child molester, when no
such conviction had taken place. [ADDENDUM: I see you have addressed this in a
subsequent post.]

And I knew Gauquelin was not a skeptic, I was referring to the "Gauquelin
incident," which was, I think, a bit more significant than you imply. It is
my understanding that the Mars Effect has never been successfully debunked
(much to MY chagrin as much as anyone else's). Am I wrong in that
understanding?

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Phoenix Skeptics
Date: 9 Dec 90 21:49:00 GMT


I just had the interesting experience of speaking on UFOs to the Phoenix
Skeptics, of which I am a member. I joined out of curiosity a couple of years
ago, but have learned that local groups can do a lot of good work in ferreting
out charlatanism, especially the medical kind. Its also good to have local
groups dissenting the spread of Creation Science in schoolrooms, and I support
their efforts 100% in this and other matters.

The members know I disagree with them on the UFO subject, I know they know
it, and they accept me and I still function within the group. Overall its a
very good bunch of people, and we have a good time.

Anyway, Mike Stackpole, the director, asked me to speak on the latest
developments in Ufology, especially the Gulf Breeze affair. I tried
desperately to boil down 3 years worth of controversy into half an hour, and
failed miserably to convey the immense complexity of the case. Besides, I got
the feeling I was preaching to the converted. "<Yawn> So Ufology is inept;
what else is new?" One of the members challengingly asked me if I had any
examples of cases that were relatively uncontroversial and unambiguous. I
replied, "Yes", and proceeded to trot out the Belgium case. I read to them
from the military press release (BELGPR.TXT) and showed them the video from
Hard Copy - my VCR-TV connections were bad, so it didn't show up too well, but
I managed to get it working well enough to also show them the Kanazawa tape.

I got the Kanazawa tape via Federal Express from Dr. Richard Haines, may his
name be exalted forever, just in time for the meeting. As you might have read
here about a year ago, I consider this tape to be the most impressive UFO
video I've ever seen. There is no question of misidentification. There is no
ancillary controversy - no blue beams, no anonymous letters to the local
paper, no conversations in Spanish, no alien visits, etc. There is, I am
assured, no chance of computer animation antics - we've come far in that
field, but not quite this far. There is nothing except a Japanese man trying
desperately to focus in on what for all appearances is a flying saucer,
complete with foreground references, anomalous motions, reflections in all the
right places, just the right amount of camera jiggle, etc. Yes, being strictly
skeptical, you can hypothesize various ways in which it might be done, but
subjectively, having viewed many such videos and photos, I'll stake my
reputation that this is no hoax. Whatever true UFOs are, this is one of them.
(It should be stressed that this is my own view, not that of Dr. Haines, who
is still analyzing the video.)

<continued>

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Phoenix Skeptics cont.
Date: 9 Dec 90 22:28:00 GMT


Anyway, I got some good comments on the tape from some of the gathered
members - one said he'd like to see it under clearer conditions, and that I
may have something interesting here. The negative comments, however, were what
I was looking for. You see, I enjoy presenting to skeptics for two reasons:
first, I like to have holes punched in my arguments (ok, I'm a glutton for
punishment) - kind of a reality check. After all, if I'm all wet, I wanna
come in out of the rain! Second, if I get no arguments, or the same tired old
ones, I know we're REALLY on to something.

Suffice it to say that the tape survived without receiving a single hole. One
gent said it looked like a Stealth fighter, but I'm sure if the picture were
clearer he would recant. Another member raised the possibility of
computer-generated graphics. This is a tough one to counter, but I have
recently viewed some tapes of state-of-the-art virtual reality modeling, and
I get the definite impression that we are not quite advanced enough to imitate
the subtle nuances of image-blurring from motion, nor the other highly
subjective properties seen in this tape. Computer animation creates a
too-perfect, too-fluid world, even when it tries to imitate imperfection and
stiltedness. You can still tell the difference. Its possible, I suppose, that
someone in Japan has perfected the technique, but this tape was made a year
and a half ago, and there are millions to be made in the computer-animation
field. I believe we would have heard something by now.

Many of the skeptics seemed unswayed by this argument - it seems to have
become an indelible fact(oid) that "computers can imitate real life so much
that we can never trust a photo or video again." In the case of photographs,
its almost certainly true, but videos are another thing altogether. However, I
agree that the video should be heavily analyzed for this possibility.

The rest of the meeting was filled with a very revealing discussion that
touched on many aspects of skeptical philosophy. One gentleman claimed that he
was not going to believe until he had hard physical evidence of alien contact.
My response was, "believe what?" There seems to be this notion that anyone
claiming UFOs exist is arguing for the ET Hypothesis. He asked me what *I*
thought was behind it all, and I told him that I *personally* think it might
just be aliens, but that I wasn't there to argue the point. My point was that
he, as a skeptic, could not explain the video, leaving a question mark where
an answer should be, and that science is in the business of answering
questions. The fact that I believe in the *possibility* of aliens was
immaterial.

The discussion seemed to break down at this point over the question
of the proper role of skepticism, and how much skepticism is too much. One
member chastised the other, (making it clear that he did not support me)
saying, "I acknowledge that I am dogmatically opposed to your point of view.
But let's acknowledge that its dogmatism, not skepticism."

The bottom line seems to be that, while we are making inroads in convincing
some skeptics that bona fide unexplainables - indeed, downright bafflers -
exist, their basic philosophy is that there is so profoundly little chance
that they could turn out to be anything truly earth-shattering, due to the
pre-eminence of scientific knowledge of the universe, that UFOs are simply not
worth bothering with. They will not begrudge us our right to look into them,
but short of the proverbial White House landing, we're on our own in our
pursuit of the truth behind their nature. As with any dogmatic belief, its
hard to argue with.

Still, having reassured myself that we're not chasing faeries and that we are
in pursuit of a legitimate mystery that so far has no answers, I came away
satisfied with the results of the meeting. I think I did manage to convince
some people that we're a far cry from channelers and crystal-rattlers, and
that we do have a big "?" here. Its just an argument over what to do about it.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: NAVY INTELLIGENCE CRYP
Date: 9 Dec 90 09:46:11 GMT

I'll be trying to freq it tomorrow if I get a chance. Thanks for the
addition.
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Wegori)
Subject: Phenom 12-7-90
Date: 8 Dec 90 04:07:21 GMT

Greetings fellow observers!  What was it that the early morning crowd
saw this morning at 0552 hrs near Plymouth, Michigan?  One eyewitness
reported to a local allnews radio station, that he saw a bluish-green
oval shaped object, emitting sparks(?) and in a crash-like trajectory.
He said he thought at first that it might have been a helicopter
crashing, but said the shape (or something) changed his mind.  Sounded
pretty shook up. Later I saw a ten second sound bite on CH7 which
did not elaborate.  No news re: any debris or ground indentations.
 Anyone hear anything?


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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 10 Dec 90 06:11:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "INFO.PARANET"
 * Originally from Don Ecker
 * Originally dated 12-09-90 22:08

Attention all ParaNet Members;

I have just uploaded PETIT.UFO to Alpha. I scanned the file into the system,
and I will be interested in comments. This could prove to be a very significant
addition to the data base. Petit is no lightweight scientific type, the man
carries a very heavy reputation in Europe.

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Phoenix Skeptics cont.
Date: 10 Dec 90 06:15:00 GMT

Jim;

Very very interesting in reference to the Skeptics meeting. Can
not wait to see this video.

Just as an aside, just what do these folks think all this is? I
do not recall anyone being completely dogmatic that these things
are ET, but how can they refute that these objects are still
flying about, apparently immune to current state of the art
Military aircraft?  Belgium for example? And------I would be very
interested in the Skeptics rebutal to Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit.

Don

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From: vm1.yorku.ca![e-mail]
Subject:      Help
Date: 11 Dec 90 04:51:48 GMT

From: User <[e-mail]>

Was wondering how I as a bitnet user could gain access to the myriad of
neat files you have on the MJ-12 scenario and related material such as
JFK's asassination and other such issues.  Also would appreciate any
pointers to other media such as movies (e.g., I recently took out the
old movie HANGAR 18 which was an attempt at an expose of the Roswell
incident and WPAFB Hangar 18; Communion, the movie; etc...) and any othe
related stuff (e.g., Ancient Astronauts - Chariot of the gods)....
Thanks.  Or is there a Paranet node in Toronto or nearby?




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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Don Ecker
Date: 10 Dec 90 18:47:00 GMT

My thanks to Don Ecker who has demonstrated his dedication
to ParaNet by uploading the first text file scanned with a
Scanman Optical Scanner and using OCR software.  This
equipment is not inexpensive and I am very proud of the work
that Don has done for the good of the network.  Don will be
scanning a lot of text files in the future for ParaNet.

Again, thanks Don!!

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 10 Dec 90 18:49:00 GMT

The following messages may not be reposted outside of the
ParaNet Information Service Network without citing the
proper organization or persons: The French Match Magazine,
Don Ecker and ParaNet Information Service.



THE  STATEMENTS  OF  PROFESSOR PETIT, WHO JUST RETURNED
FROM BELGIUM, WHERE HE INVESTIGATED THE RECENT CELESTIAL
APPARITIONS.

     "WHY I THINK THEY COME FROM SPACE."

     Among the scientists who rushed to Belgium to study the
grand show of  flying  saucers  which  was  seen  in  recent
months, Professor  Jean-Pierre Petit was one of the first to
arrive.  He was among the handful of Investigators  who  had
direct  contact  with  the pilots who encountered the UFO on
their radar screens.  To him, this is proof  that  the  UFOs
are  not an optical illusion.  But then the question arises,
where do they come from?  Professor Petit, along  with, many
other scientists, believes that they are of extraterrestrial
origin.  This   physicist, a   specialist   in  plasmas  and
cosmology, and a Director of the National  Science  Research
Center  of  France, has  just  published his views in a very
provocative book entitled Investigating  UFOs, published  by
Albin Michel.  In the book he explains the reasons we cannot
exclude  the possibility that the UFOs are piloted by beings
originating elsewhere in the universe.

     NOW WE KNOW  WHY  THE  PHOTOGRAPHS  TAKEN  OF UFOS  BY
AMATEURS ARE ALWAYS BAD.


Q:  Professor  Petit, given  the  fact  that the majority of
scientists refuse to study the UFO  phenomenon, doesn't  the
publication  of  your book automatically relegate you to the
domain of "fringe" science?
A:  Absolutely not.  I have been working  at  the  Marseille
Observatory for 15 years and I can assure you that nobody in
this research facility, which is part of the French National
Center  for  Science, considers me to be a fringe scientist.
I  publish  my  scientific  work  in  the  most  prestigious
scientific  journals  of theoretical physics, such as Modern
Physics Letters.  My most recent publication, which  treated
the subject of quasars, those objects located at the farthest
reaches of the universe and that we think may be the kernels
of  forming  galaxies, was  co-authored  by  the  astronomer
Maurice  Viton, who  is  on  the  staff  of  the   Marseille
Laboratory.

Q:  Do you consider yourself a rationalist?

A:  100%.  The reader will not find in my book any reference
to mysticism or the phenomena that we call paranormal.

Q:    But, in the libraries they put your book in with those
dealing with mysticism.

A:  That is based  on  the  fact  that  until  now  the  UFO
phenomenon  has  never  been treated in a scientific manner.
The literature that deals with this subject has always  been
mediocre.  Let's  hope that after a while my book will find
its true place, in the Science department.

Q:  Does the UFO constitute a scientific problem?

A:  Yes.  The work of physicists Meesen and Brenig, as  well
as  mine, shows  clearly that the UFO phenomenon is amenable
to a scientific and rigorous approach.

Q:  How can science explain the  sightings?  Don't  we  need
new scientific concepts?

A:    There  exist  aspects of the phenomenon which can be
approached with success by using quite conventional tools of
science.  Let me give you a precise example.  The people who
photographed the UFO were often very upset when they saw
that  the  film  they took did not correspond by a long shot
with what they had seen with their eyes.  We do not have any
photograph of the UFO taken from very  near, say  less  than
100 meters, simply  because  at such close range the object
does not show up on the negative.  During this  recent  wave
of  sightings in Belgium, many pictures were taken, but they
show nothing.  The physicist  Auguste  Meesen, Professor  at
the  University  of Louvain, has proposed an explanation for
this failure.  In certain conditions, infrared  rays  coming
from  an  object  have  the  ability  to totally inhibit the
chemical  reaction  that  permits  fixing an image on a negative.

Q:  Is this a theory?

A:  Not at all. It is a fact demonstrated by experiment
that has been known for a long time, but nobody up to now
has thought of it in connection with UFO photos.

Q:     So  the  UFOs  will  protect  themselves  from  being
photographed by emitting infrared rays?

A:  That is possible, but this emission  is  perhaps  simply
tied to the normal operation of the machines.

Q:    Would there be any way, then, to trick this protection
in order to obtain pictures despite the infrared radiation?


Continued in next message...

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Part 2
Date: 10 Dec 90 20:43:00 GMT

>Petit Interview - Part 2 Continued

A:  Of course.  By using film sensitive to the infrared
portion of the spectrum.

Q:  If I understand you correctly, given that hundreds of
Belgians observed the UFOs from close  range  (some  of  the
UFOs were quite immobile above the rooftops of houses), if
this discovery had been made six months ago, we  could  have
the first precise pictures of this mysterious flying object?

A:  Exactly.
Q:  You haven't hesitated to use the term "machines."  In
your opinion, what are UFOs?

A:  Today, we can answer quite categorically that it is a
material  object.  At the beginning of the year a report was
sent to SOBEPS by the Chief of Staff of the  Belgian Air
Force, on the authority of the Minister of Defense.  Then,
on 22 June, 1990 this report was  supplemented by the
documents  gathered  by you for Paris Match, which consisted
of the recordings of five radars, three in  the  ground  and
two  on board the F-16 fighters which were sent to chase the
UFO. During this chase, which  lasted 75 minutes, the  two
F-16s managed three interceptions during which all of the
parameters of flight of the  object  were  determined.  This
study was  done with very  great  care by the Belgian
specialists before they divulged the  information, in  order
to  exclude  the possibility that there was a malfunction of
the radars or the computers.

Q:  Are they flying machines?

A:  Given the  speed  of  those  machines, more  than  1,800
kilometers  per  hour, they  could  not  have  been  weather
balloons.  Given the trajectory, it could not  have  been  a
meteorite  or  any  satellite  in the reentry phase of space
flight. Given the meteorological  conditions, it  could  not
have  been  either  natural phenomena or false radar echoes.
Given the accelerations that were measured -- 40 Gs --  this
could  not  have been an airplane.  Let's recall that one of
the machines accelerated in one second from 280 KPH to 1,830
KPH.

Q:    But  anti-missile  missiles,'aren't  they  capable  of
accelerations of 100 Gs?

A:    Yes, but  in  fact there is at this moment no man made
machine that is capable of performing at mach 1.5  close  to
the  ground  because of heating due to the high air density.
And, in this case, there was no sonic boom.

Q:  It was witnesses on the ground who reported the  absence
of a sonic boom.  Can we trust them?

A:    The  question  of  witnesses  is  superfluous.  If the
breaching of the sound barrier at very low altitude had been
done with  aircraft  using  our  technology, it  would  have
caused  tens  of  thousands  of  windows to be broken in the
suburbs south of Brussels, above which the UFO was flying.

Q:  Were these only "paper" studies?

Q:  If I follow your argument, this machine did not come
from the Earth?

A:  An earthly origin would seem to me totally excluded.

Q:  But can't we imagine some ultrasecret prototype?

A:  The aeronautical engineer and physicist that I am
answers you, categorically, no.  We are actually incapable
of building a machine with such performance, and don't
forget that such phenomena have been observed for the last
35 years.

Q:  Was this the first time a UFO was observed on radar?

A:   Certainly not, but  this is the first interception
officially acknowledged.

Q:    But  the  breaking  of  the  sound  barrier without an
accompanying boom must result from physics that  we  don't
understand?

A:   As surprising as it must appear, no.  There is a theory
that I have elaborated as early as 1975.  Between  1965  and
1975, when I was experimenting in my fluid dynamics laboratory,
I was working on an electrical generator which
is now one of the principal gadgets in the Star Wars
technology.  We made shock waves by making electromagnetic
waves react in a gas.  I said to myself: If we can create
shock waves with electromagnetic fields, one should be  able
with the same fields to annihilate shock waves forming
around an object.  When an object moves faster than sound,
the air molecules have a tendency to pile up in front of the
object, without being able to move off to the side and out
of the way.  This forms a shock wave, which is noticed by an
observer on the ground as a "boom."  To prevent  this  shock
wave from forming it is only required that we help the air
molecules to escape by sucking in the air at the same time
that it is piling up.  The machine advances through the air
literally  making a vacuum in front of it. It is a
fundamental and exceedingly simple idea. It happens that we
can execute this aspiration of gas at a distance with the
help of well known electromagnetic forces called "the  force
of Laplace. The means of acting on a gas with electromagnetic
fields is known as  magnetohydrodynamics, or Mhd.
On the theoretical plane,  these concepts date from the
1950s.  We were left to determine the optimum shape of
objects for this process.  I was extremely surprised to find
that this flying saucer had little in common with the  shape
of an airplane or missile, but that it had the shape of
spheres, cylinders and saucers. And I have invented an
object that I have called an Mhd Aerodyne, which devilishly
resembles a flying saucer!

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Part 3
Date: 10 Dec 90 20:45:00 GMT

>>Petit Interview - Part 3 Continued<<


Q:  Were these only "paper" studies?

A:  Not at all.  There have been computer simulations a
well as publications in international technical journals,
and two doctoral thesis demonstrating the feasibility of
supersonic flight without a "boom" by using Mhd.

Q:  Are these theories contested by other scientists?

A:  Absolutely not. And in this scientific environment as
soon as we notice an error or a weakness in a work we are
not afraid to call it out, loud and strong in the
scientific journals or in the popularized science magazines
such as Science et vie, Pour la science, La Reserche,
Science et avenir, etc.  For the last 25 years that I have
been doing research, and the 15 years that I have
concentrated on this thorny problem, none of these magazines
has ever published a commentary disparaging me.   Believe me,
the critics think twice before attacking a work of research.
When I first became interested in UFOs in 1976 a member of
the Academy of Science somehow imprudently declared during a
public  conference  that a machine could not fly through the
air with the help of electromagnetic  forces.  When it was
time for my reply, he was waiting for a response based on
theory, and was extremely surprised when we brought in a very
simple and clear experiment whose result contradicted his
proposition.  When one tosses criticisms too lightly, one risks
being ridiculed, and that is not pleasant for anybody.

Q:  This UFO which was chased by the F-16s in Belgium, could it
not be a very simple ultra secret American or Russian machine
functioning with electricity?

A:    To  manufacture  such a machine would require that the
engine develop an amount of power equivalent to that of a
large  nuclear power  generating plant.  And if there is
anything not amenable to miniaturization, it is a nuclear power
plant.  Conclusion: the machines seen in Belgium are not of
terrestrial origin.

Q:  Given the fantastic acceleration detected by the Belgian
F-16, no human could have been aboard, and the UFOs must have
been simple robots rather than a vehicle carrying a living
being.

A:  Even though the human body in a state of total immersion
can bear great acceleration, the 40 Gs gives us a problem.
But there is more to it.  Numerous eyewitness reports tell
of right angle turns taken at full speed. In this
particular case the acceleration becomes...infinite, and the
machine itself could not support the turn without vanishing.
I have tried to approach this question in a very speculative
manner in my book.  In this phase of strong acceleration,
physical phenomena more sophisticated than Mhd could take
such a turn.


Q:  How could you explain the absence of  debate  concerning
UFOs in the scientific community?

A:    Until  now, when  a  scientist  wanted  to  have  some
information  on  the  subject, he  could  only   find   very
superficial  or  trivial  books.  Also, the  contents of the
newsletters published by some French UFO research groups  is
not of a nature to encourage further interest by scientists.
Nor   could  a  scientist  be  favorably  impressed  by  the
publications  of  GEPAN  (Groupe  d'Etude   des   Phenomenes
Aerospatiaux   Non-identifies, a  UFO  study  group  created
within the French National Center for Space  Studies).  What
do  you  want, when  a scientist opens a book where the UFOs
are compared to fairies and elves, and to the  ministrations
of  the  Virgin  Mary?  He  will slam the book shut at once
But it is not simply because a subject is  polluted  by
persons with debatable competence that it should be brushed
aside.  With the reports of the Belgian military in hand we
now have the objective unarguable data that was formerly
absent in the files, and this should interest scientists.

Q:    The military has a reputation for being very silent in
general, and is particularly silent when the topic of UFOs
comes up, and has gone to the point of actually spreading
disinformation, as has been shown recently  by  investigator
Jean Sider in his work Ultra Top Secret--The UFOs Which
Bring Fear (Axis Mundi Editions).  How do you explain this
sudden about-face in the political scene, to a policy of
openness and honesty on the part of the Belgian Defense
Minister?

A:    Among the reasons for the reticence of military men to
divulge the information in their possession is the worry
that publication will cause hysteria.  Another reason may be
that Belgium is the only country in the world where, for 18
years, the subject of UFOs has been closely followed by real
scientists.  So an exceptional climate of confidence has
been developed.

Q:  And in France?

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 338

                          Thursday, December 13th 1990

Today's Topics:

                    Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit - Part 4
                    Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit - Part 5
                     Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Part 6
                   Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Conclusion
                                 Phenom 12-7-90
                             Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
                             Phoenix Skeptics cont.
                     Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition
                             Prof. Jean-pierre Petit
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit - Part 4
Date: 10 Dec 90 20:47:00 GMT

>>>Petit Interview - Part 4 Cont.<<<

A:    France has been the scene of a disinformation campaign
which has lasted for 13 years under the name GEPAN.

Q:  We found enough documents and testimony in your book  to
support this opinion.  You show very well that GEPAN
functioned exactly like the famous Condon Commission created
in the USA at the end of the 1960s, and whose only aim was
to misdirect American public opinion on the UFO reports.

A:   By combining the activities of GEPAN with the low level
of communications from those in France who call themselves
"ufologists" (a term that does not say much) one has

created  an  absolutely  total lack of interest in the media
and in particular in the  research  community, toward  UFOs:
This explains the lack of attention to the Belgian wave here
in France.  Was the Belgian wave of sightings so
exceptional?  Since November 29, 1989 there have  been  tens
of  thousands of sightings, of which nearly 1,000 were close
observations from distances of around 200 meters which  have
been the object of inquiries by the Belgian National Police.
On  just  the night of November 29, 1989 between 5:30 pm and
9:00 pm, 30 different groups of witnesses  (Including  three
police  patrols and customs officials) observed the same two
objects.  These witnesses were located within a  rectangular
area  about  25  km  by 15 km, between Liege and Eupen.  The
similarity in their testimony allowed us to reconstruct  the
trajectory  of  the  UFO.  An interesting detail: they all
reported very slow movement.  A witness gave this precise
description:  "I  could  have followed it by walking."  In
particular, the object was seen in daylight at close range
by a Belgian soldier working in the weather service who saw
the object doing a leisurely turn over the  village  square.
We  also  number  among the witnesses a Major in the Belgian
Army and a theoretical physicist, Professor Brenig, who is a
colleague of Professor Prigogine.

Q:  Where could those extraterrestrial vehicles come from?
A voyage over hundreds of light years seems inconceivable.

A:    In  the  vision  of  the  universe  based on classical
physics, this objection is a very serious one.  But  how  is
the universe constructed?  What geometry does it have?
Given the classical view, we live in a  hyperspace  of  four
dimensions.  In 1967 the Soviet physicist Andrei Sakharov
suggested that there is no "a" universe, but rather two
universes coexisting.  Which is to say, one universe
consisting of ordinary matter, and another consisting of
anti-matter.  This twin version is for me the first step
toward a theory permitting us to imagine moving through
great distances in the cosmos.  One way to visualize the
twin universes is to think of a cloth and its lining.  The
second  step  consists  of imagining that the twin universes
can somehow communicate with each other.  I  am  doing  some
theoretical  work  in  order to develop a mathematical model
for the transfer  of  matter  through  hyperspace  from  one
universe to another universe.

Q:    You  mean  to  say that a "hyperspatial" vehicle could
suddenly and  brutally  find  itself  transferred  with  its
passengers to another part of the universe?

A:  More precisely, it could be an exchange between the same
equivalent volumes of space, one belonging to the "cloth"
and the other to its "lining."  For a witness, this would be
perceived  as a rough dematerialization.  The machine would
make its trip through this twin space from its planet
arriving at a place in the proximity of Earth.

Q:    But  to make this trip, won't there always be an equal
number of light years of distance to travel?

A:  Yes, if the "cloth and the lining" always  behaved  very
nicely, superimposing one upon the other with perfect
smoothness.  But this can't always be the case in  practice.
In order to try to make some very abstract mathematical
ideas simple, what we in the technical jargon call
"fluctuation  of gauge," I will continue to use the image of
the cloth and Its lining.  The American Cosmologist  Misner
has  considered  the case of a very turbulent cosmic fabric,
both folded upon itself and creased.  From time to time  the
cloth will be perfectly flat, but the lining creased or
puckered.  In such an instance, the distance from  one  part
of  the  twin  universe  to  the  other  will be drastically
shortened, making a voyage realistically short.  Another
situation  could  arise in which the voyage would be
lengthened by a factor of 10 or 100 or 1,000, making  the
voyage even less practical than it is now.

Q:    So  it  is this phenomenon that explains the otherwise
incomprehensible wave of UFOs? They would take advantage  of
the moment when the trip would be the shortest?

A:   By my way of thinking, the UFO waves would be tied to a
"turbulence in the gauge" of the universe.  The voyage would
only be possible when the "meteocosmic" conditions are good.
The  visitors  would  have  limited time to make their
investigation on our planet and would have to reembark
precipitously in order to avoid the closing of the hole
in  hyperspace, otherwise  they would be stuck here on Earth
for a period of time that could be very long.  This  way  of
creasing  the  cloth of space like the folds of an accordion
would not necessarily be  isotropic, and  I  strongly  doubt
that  it is:  when the lining is creased in one direction or
plane, the cloth is stretched in  the  perpendicular  plane.
Different   types   of  extraterrestrials  originating  from
planets in different locations in  the  heavens  would  thus
manage  to live and operate without ever meeting each other,
at least until they meet  on  the  Earth.  It  is  quite  an
amusing  idea  that  the  Earth  might  be used as a sort of
cosmic mailbox by extraterrestrial entities, who would  find
this as the means to communicate with each other!

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit - Part 5
Date: 10 Dec 90 20:48:00 GMT

>>>>Petit Interview - Part 5 Continued<<<<

Q:    How  do  you  explain  the lack of contact between the
visiting extraterrestrials and us?

A:    When  two  civilizations  that  are   very   different
culturally and technologically meet, history teaches us that
with  rare  exceptions  (such  as  Japan)  the more advanced
literally dissolves the other.  The introduction of exterior
knowledge is comparable to a viral attack.  In the  majority
of  cases, this  parasitic  information totally disorganizes
the infected social body, which dies.

Q:   From the point of view of the alien visitors, this lack
of contact with us may be due to their behavior as concerned
ethnologists  who  wish  to  avoid  destroying the object of
their studies.  But in your book you insist that there Is  a
phenomenon  shared  by the majority of terrestrial that you
call the "Immunological reflex."

A: Yes.  It is a rejection, pure and simple.  There are  two
possible  ways  to  react  when we receive information which
challenges our most deeply held values. The first is  simply
to   reject.  We  say  to  ourselves:  It  is  wrong, it is
impossible.  The   second   evasion   Is   very   subtle. We
"folklorize"    the    dissonant    Information.  And   this
folklorization can be accomplished In two ways.  One way  is
to treat the subject with humor or ridicule, and it leads to
themes  such as ET (the movie) or "Little green men," (which
have never been reported  by  witnesses).  The  other  takes
life in a more dramatic way, such as the movie "The Creature
from Outer Space," or television series like The Invaders.n
The  "immunologic reaction" of scientists is negation of the
phenomenon, pure and simple.

Q:  Have you thought of a scenario depicting the  result  of
direct contact between us and extraterrestrials?

A:    Let's  imagine  that  one  of  these famous triangular
machines that was seen in 90% of the cases In Belgium  lands
in a field.  What is going to happen?  The owner of the farm
will  call  the  police.  Then  the  police  will  call  the
military.  They will send observers, who will report to  the
government.  As  a  simple precautionary measure, the police
will cordon off the area in a radius of 100 meters.  In  the
hours  that  follow, curious  members  of  the  public  will
arrive, crating  a  fantastic   traffic   jam.  Within   the
government,-there  is  a crisis meeting of the Cabinet.  The
members of the Cabinet hesitate, being unsure of what course
of action  to  take.  If  the  machine  finally  takes  off,
everything  returns to normal order.  But If It stays there,
who, exactly, must establish contact, and  how?  Would  that
be  the concern of the Ministry for National Defense, or the
Ministry for Foreign Affairs, or the Tourist Office, or  all
three  simultaneously?  While  these  grave  discussions are
taking  place  In  the  halls  of  government, thousands  of
journalists   have   set  up  camp  In  the  acres  of  land
surrounding the landing site.  Along the security perimeter,
cameramen are elbow to elbow trying to catch  the  scoop  of
the  Century.  On all the Little access roads the columns of
the curious cross each other on the way to the new center of
pilgrimage.  In the opposite direction you can  see  a  true
Exodus, with  multitudes  fleeing.  Uncontrolled rumors race
through  the  planet  in  every   direction, Like   electric
discharges.  The  area  of  the  landing site Is filled with
entrepreneurs and hucksters, seeking to make a  profit  from
the   situation.  The  Vatican organizes a colloquium to
determine  if Christ  died  for the aliens, too.  Little by
little the knowledge of the alien presence filters into  the
public  consciousness  and  produces  a  nationwide state of
shock.  People leave  their  work.  The  professor  and  his
students  question  each  other.  The  astronomers  ask  one
another If it is still worth the trouble to look Into  their
telescopes.  The stock market goes crazy.

Q:    It  is  truly  a  catastrophic  scenario  that you are
proposing.

A:  I simply wanted  to  make  you  realize  the  incredible
impact  that  this  alien presence would provoke even before
contact had taken place.  Our society  Is  not  prepared  to
meet  face  to  face with such an event, and this applies to
every country, not just France.  And the thick silence  that
officialdom  has  maintained has not made the situation more
tolerable. What Is actually happening on  this  planet?  Our
societies   doubt  more  and  more  the  validity  of  their
political systems  and  ideologies.  One  feels  that  whole
populations  are  ready to throw themselves toward the first
"savior," the first demagogue, who appears on the scene.

Q:  Listening to you, it would seem more in the interest  of
public order if this contact could be avoided.

A:   In fact, the event in Belgium is a contact.  Everything
happened as if the machine that was intercepted on the night
of  March  30-31, 1990  had  patiently  waited, openly   and
deliberately, for  the  radar  to have locked on. This  real
event, which  is  very  difficult  to   contest, marks   the
transition from the hypothetical visitation by aliens to the
real  visitation. It  can  force  movement  within  both the
political and scientific  worlds, and  unblock  imaginations
and  unleash  creative new solutions.  And I am not speaking
merely of scientific and  technological aspects.  When  man
realizes  that  he Is not alone In the universe, this simple
fact  will be sufficient motivation to create  philosophical
and ethical  ideas  without  precedent  in our Intellectual
history.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Part 6
Date: 10 Dec 90 20:49:00 GMT

>>>>>Petit Interview Part 6 Cont<<<<<

Q:  As one who is  firmly  convinced  of the  existence  of
extraterrestrial  civilizations, you  must  be thrilled by a
project  such  as  SETI  (Search   for   Extra   Terrestrial
Intelligence), whose  aim  It  is  to communicate with other
worlds.

A-  The SETI program consists of trying to receive with  the
help  of  antennas  radio  signals  sent  by other planetary
civilizations.  So It turns out to be necessary to paint the
antenna at the source of the signals, but by  definition  we
don't  know  the  source  or location.  As of now, about 200
stars have been listened  to  In  this  way.  Na  luck.  The
members  of a radio astronomy symposium that met recently in
the Alps  calculated  that  for  us  to have  a  chance   f
intercepting  one  signal  we would be required to listen to
200,000 stars.  This would require a  network  of  listening
devices  so  large  that the cost would be astronomical  The
problem is that the radio waves move at the speed of  Light
When  we consider the vast distance across space, this is an
extremely slow speed.  And incidentally, if we are  ever  to
intercept  a  message, the  signal would have to be directed
very precisely toward us.  The fact is, Our antennas are not
able to detect signals sent from  a  simple  omnidirectional
antenna tens of light years distant, such as for example the
transmitters  for the French radio stations.  All this makes
the issue of a project such as SETI extremely problematical
it is highly probable that  the  program, now  called  "Mega
SETi," will end up as a failure.  But on the other hand  the
scientists  are  violently  hostile  to any appropriation of
money to benefit research on UFOs, a subject which  they  do
not  consider  serious.  Yet  the  research  done on the UFO
problem  has  already  borne  fruit  --  contrary   to   the
experience with SETi.  This is certainly a paradox

Q:    The  Belgian  wave  of sightings is over, and we can't
predict either when or where the next wave  will  occur   So
how, according to you, should UFO research be organized?

A:    Obviously, there  is  long term work to undertake.  We
will use the Mhd model to make concrete  experimental  tests
of  the  ideas of the theoreticians.  On the other hand  the
UFO phenomenon forces us to place into question all  of  our
ideas  about the universe, and even physics itself   it is a
fantastic  "thought  experiment,"  a   true   challenge   to
research, and it will be necessary to create within the CNRS
a  UFO  study  group  consisting  of high level researchers
mathematicians, physicists, chemists, biochemists,
psychologists, sociologists and  so  forth.  in  conjunction
with that, we will need to build a real UFO "trap," not only
to  capture  one, but to gather the knowledge that will leak
out.  The methodology in Belgium  consisted  of  filling  an
airplane  with  every sort of apparatus, and having it ready
to take off to study  the  UFO.  This  happened  during  the
sightings On the Easter weekend, but, unfortunately, the UFO
failed  to  cooperate and join the meeting.  But this method
should be systematically carried out throughout the world.

Q:  Aren't you interested in the marks found on  the  ground
at the site of alleged landings?

A:   Yes, of course!  During the last 35 years some private,
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non-profit groups,  to whom we must give  recognition, have
with  pitifully meager means and in a totally honest manner
gathered a minimal collection of information about landings.
For these people the creation of GEPAN had been  an  immense
hope, but they were quickly disappointed.

     Within  CNRS  there  should be created a quick response
team to investigate landing traces using all known means of
analysis, physical  or  biochemical, and  to  simultaneously
mobilize psychologists specializing in the interrogation  of
witnesses.

     We  know  of  only one case of ground traces  connected
with the close range observation of a UFO landing, which has
been subjected to serious study: the case in Trans en
Provence, thanks to the work of Professor Bounias of INRA
who incidentally has never been particularly  interested  in
the   UFO   phenomenon.  This   quite complete study  has
demonstrated  the  existence  of traumatization of the
vegetation, remarkably  well correlated with the distance of
the traces from the point of the landing.  The cause of the
trauma remains unknown to this day.  This type of study
should have been carried out long ago.  Other than
biochemistry, there  exist  various  other means of physical
analysis which should be done  systematically. An analysis
with  magnetic  nuclear resonance, for example  would permit
us to know the nature of the magnetic field which irradiated
the ground.  The problem is simple:  do we or do we not want
to discover the key to the mystery of the UFOs?

     The cost of the creation and maintenance of a team of
persons  capable  of  responding  to  all reports of alleged
landing spots would be relatively modest  in  comparison to
the  general research budget.  Especially if this team could
be reinforced by a volunteer network of ufologists.  These
volunteers  could  receive  special  training and work in
cooperation  with the police to perform preliminary
investigation to screen out the false reports.  If we would
trust those people with a minimum of equipment, they  could
take  measures to preserve and protect the site prior to the
arrival  of  the  researchers, and   could   also   make   a
preliminary written report.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Conclusion
Date: 10 Dec 90 20:49:00 GMT

>>>>>>>Petit Interview Conclusion<<<<<<

Q:   In  actuality, it  appears that we are waiting for the
scientific community to mobilize?

A:  In this case, one researcher has  learned  very  quickly
the importance of the problem.  He is Andrei Sakharov   This
is how he ended his Nobel Prize acceptance speech:

     "Thousands of years ago, the human tribe suffered great
privations in its struggle for life.  Even then it was not
only important to know how to handle a club, but also to
have the ability to think intelligently, to take into

consideration the collective  knowledge and experience
hoarded by the tribe, and to develop the basis of
cooperation with other tribes. Today, the human race must
confront an analogous ordeal.  Several other civilizations
could exist in the infinity of space, among which might be
societies more established and wise and more 'accomplished'
than ours. I support a cosmological hypothesis in Which the
development of the universe repeats itself over and over,
infinitely, but following certain essential characteristics.
These other alien civilizations, some of whom are 'highly
accomplished, ' are inscribed an infinite number of times on
the pages 'preceding' and 'following' us in the Book of the
Universe."  This was written in 1975.
                             END

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Phenom 12-7-90
Date: 11 Dec 90 03:08:00 GMT


 > Greetings fellow observers!  What was it that the early morning crowd
 > saw this morning at 0552 hrs near Plymouth, Michigan?  One eyewitness
 > reported to a local allnews radio station, that he saw a bluish-green
 > oval shaped object, emitting sparks(?) and in a crash-like trajectory.
 > He said he thought at first that it might have been a helicopter
 > crashing, but said the shape (or something) changed his mind.  Sounded
 > pretty shook up. Later I saw a ten second sound bite on CH7 which did
 > not elaborate.  No news re: any debris or ground indentations.
 >  Anyone hear anything?

I have a very sketchy report that it was an unexpected Russian rocket
re-entry.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 11 Dec 90 03:13:00 GMT


 > I have just uploaded PETIT.UFO to Alpha. I scanned the file into the
 > system, and I will be interested in comments. This could prove to be a
 > very significant addition to the data base. Petit is no lightweight
 > scientific type, the man carries a very heavy reputation in Europe.

I have just read the file, and IF what you say of his reputation is true, then
it is a significant interview. However, I have some nagging doubts...it seems
we've been this way before. For one thing, his science sounds rather....well,
Lazarish, to coin a phrase. I mean, I have no science background, yet I found
his concepts simple to understand...too simple. Simply suck the built-up air
molecules through the craft, creating a vacuum in front of it, hence no sonic
boom? That sounds like a schoolboy idea. Can anyone out there tell me if this
concept has some validity? For another, he seemed to talk in absolutes a great
deal more than I am comfortable hearing from a scientist. I will be interested
in hearing others' comments on this file.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Phoenix Skeptics cont.
Date: 11 Dec 90 03:17:00 GMT


 > Just as an aside, just what do these folks think all this is?

They are now willing to admit that they don't know, but since its very
unlikely that it is ETs, they don't think its anything to worry themselves
about. I know, I know, but that's almost word for word what one of them told
me.

 > I do not
 > recall anyone being completely dogmatic that these things are ET, but
 > how can they refute that these objects are still flying about,
 > apparently immune to current state of the art Military aircraft?

They don't refute it. They just don't care. (And there is a subliminal message
that they don't care because they know someday Phil Klass will explain it
all.)

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Savage)
Subject: Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Edition
Date: 11 Dec 90 03:56:00 GMT

Paul,

  I've got an original article on the EFF deal.  The book was (is) a
supplement to a cyberpunk role-playing game.  The author credits a
group of hackers with supplying information, sort of the way an
attorney will use an expert witness.  The investigation was pretty
ghastly - the guy lost major amounts of equipment as well as the drafts
of his manuscript - all on speculation.

  If you want, I can dig up the article and forward it to you.  OMNI
didn't do much justice to the case.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Prof. Jean-pierre Petit
Date: 11 Dec 90 05:59:00 GMT


 > Simply suck the built-up air molecules through the
 > craft, creating a vacuum in front of it, hence no
 > sonic boom? That sounds like a schoolboy idea. Can
 > anyone out there tell me if this concept has some
 > validity? For another, he seemed to talk in absolutes
 > a great deal more than I am comfortable hearing from a
 > scientist. I will be interested in hearing others'
 > comments on this file.

I talked with Roger Black voice tonight.  He has not read
the file yet, but he states that this idea has been around
for a while now.  It seems to be viable.  Anyway, let's see
what else comes through.

Mike

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From: conncoll.bitnet![e-mail]
Subject: Re: Omni Magazine - Special UFO issue
Date: 11 Dec 90 16:54:22 GMT

From: [e-mail]

Mike Corbin writes:

+ Thank you for the update, Mike.  I purchased a copy of it, and was not
+ too impressed with the superficial nature of the coverage.  What does
+ others think about it?

I borrowed it from a friend, mainly to see the crop circle photos, which
indeed were interesting.  I thought the accompanying article was relatively
unbiased, but still in keeping with the magazine's current penchant for
'Lite'(tm) journalism.  Some of the other things I read were pretty silly;
my reading pleasure was consummated by the thoroughly incredible 'Are you an
alien?'  questionnaire.  Why _The Weekly World News_ hasn't picked up on
this I can't imagine.  It truly saddens me to see this type of thing in what
was once a very good periodical - I was a charter subscriber way back when,
and the first several years were solid and thought-provoking.  Then, I don't
know what happened...

Paul Faeder writes:

+  The other interesting and thought provoking and slightly frightening article
+ was about the Electronic Frontier Foundation. For those that haven't read the
+ article, the US Secret Service suspected a computer software games
+ manufacturer of producing a game that was 'a handbook for computer crime'
+ (supposedly said by one of the agents). They proceeded to confiscate
+ computers and software. All of this is based on suspicion. The frightening
+ part is in wondering how far the Govt. can go with this; not only in this
+ incident but what about computer networks and BBS's?

I didn't see this article, however I have read about this elsewhere.  I have
a copy of an excellent article by John Perry Barlow published in _The Whole
Earth Review_ which deals with government involvement in 'cyberspace' (aka
'the nets') in general and this case in particular.  I have attempted to
send a copy to Paul, but it bounced as it was too large.  If appropriate,
perhaps it should be posted in several parts for upload so as to be easy on
the nets (moderator?).

Cheers!  - Gregg

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: ParaNet
Date: 11 Dec 90 01:36:00 GMT


 > My thanks to Don Ecker who has demonstrated his dedication
 > to ParaNet by uploading the first text file scanned with a
 > Scanman Optical Scanner and using OCR software.  This

Mike, you are welcome!

 > Don will be scanning a lot of text files in the future for
 > ParaNet.

Mike, does this mean I have a new job??   <Grin>


Don

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 12 Dec 90 04:43:00 GMT

I had the same feeling when reading Petit's suggestion on sucking up
the air molecules.  For one thing, it's hardly a new idea.  I think it
was first suggested back in the fifties that one way around a sonic
boom and surface heating was to make the surface of the wing porous
enough that the air could be sucked thru it.  Problem is that you have
to suck one heckof a lot of air into the wing and then what do you do
with it???  It has to go out somewhere.   IF the ET's have a way to
avoid sonic booms I would think it would be a little more esoteric then
egg sucking wings.
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Omni Magazine - Special Ufo Issue
Date: 11 Dec 90 08:41:00 GMT


 > From: [e-mail]

You can send it to our site: [e-mail]
                             ^^^^^^ (I changed this to me (Cyro) so if it needs)
                              (splitting, I can do so. -Cyro)

Cyro will know what to do with it.

Thank you.

Mike

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 339

                           Monday, December 17th 1990

Today's Topics:

                                   Statistics
                      Re: Omni Magazine - Special UFO issue
                                    Media coverage
                        Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
                     Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Part 6
                            Phenomenon framed again!
                                  Re: Al seckel
                           Re: Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
                          Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
                            Phenomenon framed again!
                          Re: Phenomenon framed again!
                            Phenomenon framed again!
                          Re: Phenomenon framed again!
                          Re: Phenomenon framed again!
                            Roswell Witness Surfaces

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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Statistics
Date: 11 Dec 90 17:44:56 GMT

Well, I'll be....my message did get out.
 >
 > Lazar's Element 115 .....
 > ..................................   2   0.3%
Terrific,
  and I re-worked all the batch files for some other
feeds too.  Here's what I've been reading of late.

"Out There"-remarkable yet kinda hurried, which matters
little to me.  I find that book to be pretty credible,
though non-commital.  Yes, it answers the question that's
been in everybody's mind for some time, unanswered by
any kind of authority (plural).  So, great...there IS
some kind of coverup, but what's being covered up?

As I've said earlier, the Air Force and any others
engaged in the subject have not generated a single
reason or explanation to satisfy themselves to declassify
anything of importance.  Perhaps the outer "arms" of
this galaxy, the Orion Arm being our district, are a
little more crowded than even Drake's Equation permits?

"Above Top Secret" hehehe, I can't keep from skipping
ahead to see some of the more recent sightings.  Again,
we have the texts of MJ-12 and several plates of some
pleasent faces, and some of the international sightings
are really well done.  It's not easy reading but it's
interesting to find parts about the nuts/bolts.

And that's what I really wrote to you about..

I've been making noises about the propulsion scenarios
involved with these sighting.  Letting the sightings display
the overall characteristics of such a machine saves alot of
guesswork.  The international sightings pointed it out,
at least to me, when one guy said that it sounded kinda like
a refrigerator taking off.

Later in the book, a guy that was present at some questionable crash recovery
sight later on told his
daughter that the craft operate on water, and that it might
threaten the oil industry.  To support this conjecture,
I believe that if I was pressed to do, I could find a significant number of
sightings around water, and I recall some from earlier publications of
observing hoses in the
water.  If you think that boiling water under pressure
does marvelous energy transfers, try thinking about water
in a partial vacumn...or ammonia, or even methane.

So, in closing, I can see that my previous posting was
pretty useless, I'll try not to waste bandwidth again until
I've caught up my reading, but I thought that I might be able to add some
useful conjecture as to what kind of
"cover-up" might be occurring.
                              Thanks for the stats,
                              that was real big help.

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Re: Omni Magazine - Special UFO issue
Date: 13 Dec 90 05:26:00 GMT

To: conncoll.bitnet![e-mail]
To: [e-mail]

 >'the nets') in general and this case in particular.  I have attempted to
 >send a copy to Paul, but it bounced as it was too large.  If appropriate,
 >perhaps it should be posted in several parts for upload so as to be easy
 >on the nets (moderator?).

 Thanks for the offer Gregg (and thanks also to Scott Savage).

 I would be interested in reading about 'the nets' as you put it. I assume you
mean e-mail networks such as FidoNet; perhaps ParaNet?

 This discussion may be stretching the bounds of this conference. If you feel
likewise, then you can e-mail this article to:

 [e-mail] (I think this will work);

 ...otherwise perhaps you can post the more important aspects of the article.
I'm interested in their concern regarding the networks.


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From: vm1.yorku.ca![e-mail]
Subject:      Media coverage
Date: 14 Dec 90 04:54:26 GMT

From: user <[e-mail]>

There seems to have been various bits of info floating around in the
media of particular interest to those interested in the MJ-12 scenario.
To keep things brief:
The book BEST EVIDENCE details support for theory that JFK was assassinated
from an order given by a high authority (supports Cooper's JFK stuff?)
INSIDE EDITION recently detailed an 'above top secret' memo that told of
China's secret supply of weapons (nuke warheads, etc) to the Iraq.  This is
particular interesting given the file CARP.TXT and implications, and that
this file was toted around the nets prior to the Gulf situation.
And finally, there are really actually lots of bits of information here and
there in the papers, magazines and TV if one just keeps an eye out for them.
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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 12 Dec 90 16:32:00 GMT


 >   The physicist  Auguste  Meesen, Professor  at
 > the  University  of Louvain, has proposed an explanation for
 > this failure.  In certain conditions, infrared  rays  coming
 > from  an  object  have  the  ability  to totally inhibit the
 > chemical  reaction  that  permits  fixing an image on a
 > negative.
 >
 > Q:  Is this a theory?
 >
 > A:  Not at all. It is a fact demonstrated by experiment
 > that has been known for a long time, but nobody up to now
 > has thought of it in connection with UFO photos.

  These guys know not whereof they speak. But I think I know what
they're getting at.
  We've all seen photos of what appear to be black ufos which the
witnesses say they saw as being shiny silver etc. Presumably the same
things fly at night too.
  A photographic emulsion increases in density according to the
amount of exposure to light. At a point, density cannot increase and,
if exposure continues, emulsion response actually reverses.
  Ansel Adams demonstrated this many years ago in a photo he calls, I
think, Black Sun. It depicts a black sun over a normal-appearing
landscape.
  What happened is the the image of the sun reversed and lost density
down to clear film base while the rest of the landscape was normal.
  Anyway, we know this happens with visible light. Most panchromatic
film is also very sensitive to IR, while color film tends to be
sensitive to UV, in addition to visible light.
  Presumably the same effect would occur if an object were radiating
strong IR or UV. So, a shiny object (visually) radiating strong IR
could conceivable cause reversal of a photographic image of itself.
  These 'black ufos' are pretty commonly photographed on panchromatic
black-and-white film. Has anyone seen a color photo of the same
effect?
  Film responds to light by photons knocking loose atoms of silver
halide. In development, the silver halide which has lost atoms is
converted to metallic silver while the unexposed halide is not.
  When the film is fixed, the remaining halide is washed away and the
metallic silver remains to form the image.
  Color film works the same way, except that color dyes are coupled to
the silver image and then the silver is bleached away, leaving only
the dyes.
  To put it simply, photochemistry doesn't work quite the way Meesen
states, but he does have a very valid point about IR radiation.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit Part 6
Date: 12 Dec 90 16:39:01 GMT


  Very interesting interview.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Phenomenon framed again!
Date: 13 Dec 90 06:38:44 GMT

Did we all get to take a break from reality Wednesday night, and capture the
outragous segment of NBC's "Unsolved Mysteries" on our VCRs?  This time-filling
gem would have us wonder about the origin of some *mysterious lights* captured
on a woman's super-8 camera.  It is reported that there are also random single
frames of film which show these lights giving off incredible <<<flash streaks
of energy>>> which is the focus of the story.

Well...yours truly, Capt. Video (OK...film, video, whatever) is here to answer
this so-called mystery.  Since there is no 'contest' or award for the correct
answer...I guess I am free to post my theory here for public consumption. In
fact...I am somewhat amazed this possibility hasn't been addressed (at least
not in the report) by their local investigators and experts.  I agree with them
that the film was NOT a deliberate hoax by the photographer.  I believe she is
just as ignorant of the cause...which I state here and now as a simple
MECHANICAL FAILURE of her filming apparatus!
Read on...

Addressing this to those that sat through the show...recall as they played back
the footage to show the individual frames which contained the -streaks of light
energy-.  Notice how you can see the nightime sky or horizon with a few
non-descript white lights through most of the film.  All of a sudden, there
appears a *SINGLE FRAME* of the super-8 film which contains the ballyhooed
light show.  Immediately following the frame, the normal nightime footage
returns and a few seconds later...another streak-frame appears...totally
different in composition.  The photographer would claim that she could not SEE
any such light display.  It could ONLY be captured with HER camera.  At the
rate of speed in which a single frame of super-8 film is exposed through a
camera...I would understand her statement!
                       Red Flag time, everyone.

What I propose is this:  The woman's particular super-8 camera is faulty. In
simple terms, the motorized components stop operating at certain intervals. She
may *hear and feel* the motor turning, but in effect the film has
stopped _moving_ through the guides, sprockets and plates.  In addition, the
camera's shutter gate is stuck OPEN and light is continuously pouring onto the
poor frame of exposed film which happens to be positioned in the exposure
window. The construction of the camera prevents light from reaching the other
frames before and after the affected frame in question.  Soon after, the
camera's mechanics corrects itself and once again it is taking normal film
imagery. As the photographer continues to expose more footage through the lens,
the problem reoccurs a few seconds later due to the same mechanical defect and
the anomaly is repeated with different visual results.

So what is this brilliant streaking of light attributed to?  Good question, but
unfortunately an easily explainable answer.  In fact, anyone can reproduced the
same effect with a simple SLR 35mm or better camera!  Just load up your film
and head for your neighborhood street lights at night.  Set your exposure to
the BULB or TIME setting.  Camera too new?  Then you will have to play with the
longest (slowest) exposure setting your camera offers. Only have a point-and-
hoot model?  Too bad.  What are you doing in the research business with such
in inadequate gear in the first place??  :-)
Anyway...the trick is to make a time-laps exposure of distant city lights
WITHOUT a tri-pod.  Hey...*she* doesn't use a tri-pod when filming and this is
the PRECISE reason she has those brilliant randomly streaking frames.
Leave the shutter in the OPEN position for a few seconds and *slowly* move the
camera around.  Then close the shutter.  Try different settings.  By holding
the camera unsteadily in your hand and making jagged motions, you are in
essense becoming a graphic painter of light upon your film.  This is what I
believe is actually being placed on her random individual frames of super-8
footage.

To further my explaination with one more point...recall that our good friend
Robert Stack reports that the show's own photographer tried to film the
phenomenon side by side with the woman.  She, of course using her own super-8
camera and he using one of his own.  They even *switched* cameras which each
other to see if there would be any difference.  Naturally, there was none. Her
camera produced the usual single-frame light streaks...his did not.  Now,
expecting that both cameras running the same format at the same rate of speed,
and taking the exact same footage of whatever lights she wanted to focus on...
why would HER camera be the only one 'blessed' with results?  The normal
footage of nightime lights was similar between the two!

From this message, you can see that I am in no way impressed by any
'unexplained' claim of authenticity which is attached to this particular
segment of the TV show.  Of course, the show admittingly reveals all its
footage to be dramatic re-enactments and no deception is implied.  But they
did show the *actual* footage claimed to be shoot by this woman...and hence
the footage became open to debate and scrutiny.  Consider this particular
story superificially debunked by my hypothesis and/or open for debate if one
cares to.   I remain, C.V.

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Al seckel
Date: 14 Dec 90 06:51:03 GMT

> And I knew Gauquelin was not a skeptic, I was referring to the
> "Gauquelin incident," which was, I think, a bit more significant than
> you imply. It is my understanding that the Mars Effect has never been
> successfully debunked (much to MY chagrin as much as anyone else's).
> Am I wrong in that understanding?

No.  That's right.  The problem was that Michel Gauquelin's legal
threats just made everyone drop the matter entirely.  My impression is
(speaking as a newcomer and outsider, with just a math B.A.) that the
existing tests may have been statistically inadequate, or at least
questionable.  There things will likely remain, which is a pity.

Best Regards,
Rick M.

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From: conncoll.bitnet![e-mail]
Subject: Re: Prof. Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 15 Dec 90 00:20:27 GMT

From: [e-mail]

Jim Speiser writes:

+ For another, he seemed to talk in absolutes a great deal more than I am
+ comfortable hearing from a scientist. I will be interested in hearing
+ others' comments on this file.

I too felt more and more queasy as I read the interview.  I thought the
initial parts were interesting and relatively level-headed, however what
started as (to paraphrase), 'there is strong evidence that the Belgium
sightings are not hoaxes, and further more that evidence would indicate that
the craft might not be of terrestrial origin', turned into 'the
extraterrestrials are using [some off-the-top-of-my-head theory about] folds
in the fabric of space dividing the two[!] universes to travel to earth,
which may or may not be an interstellar crossroads'.  Yeek-a-mouse!  This is
hardly a scientific approach, and regardless of whether or not the
theorizing holds any merit, it is entirely improper to be babbling openly
about it in the interview.  I can't see him amassing much support for UFO
research from the scientific community with talk like this.

He may be a respected scientist, but then again so were Pons and Fleischmann
(sp?).  He certainly hasn't garnered much respect from this reader.

Cheers!  - Gregg

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
Date: 15 Dec 90 00:49:00 GMT

Interesting post, Steve.  Please consider a partial rebuttal from a former
filmmaker.

> the film was NOT a deliberate hoax by the
> photographer.  I believe she is just as ignorant of the
> cause...which I state here and now as a simple MECHANICAL
> FAILURE of her filming apparatus!

> All of a sudden, there appears a *SINGLE FRAME* of the
> super-8 film which contains the ballyhooed light show.


Okay, I don't think the film was a deliberate hoax, either.  But a simple
mechanical failure?  Rather unlikely.  Flash frames or static discharges
within a camera are not confined to single frames of film.  The lady's
images are confined to single frames of film.  Plus...

> What I propose is this:  The woman's particular super-8
> camera is faulty. In simple terms, the motorized components
> stop operating at certain intervals.

... except she has obtained similar photographs with three different
cameras.


> In fact, anyone can reproduced the same effect
> with a simple SLR 35mm or better camera!  Just load up your

You bet!  Unfortunately, motion picture equipment rarely includes a lockable
shutter.  Practically NO Super-8mm cameras do or did, the only exception I
am aware of is the old Bolex Super-8.  Time-lapse or intervalometer
equipment can be added on to these cameras, but if that were the case
(she was using an intervalometer, say) then the HAND-HELD portions of the
film would have been impossible to film side-by-side with the gag shots.

Film equipment pretty much forces you to use a FIXED shutter speed, Steve.
Usually 1/48th of a second.  Sometimes less, if you are using a nice 16mm
camera with a variable shutter, like an Eclair, Arri, Panaflex, etc.  It's
simple -- for a movie to be a movie, it must have been photographed at a
fixed shutter speed.  The only exception is the computer-controlled shutter
equipment of special effects cameras, like George Lucas uses at Industrial
Light and Magic.

What's really interesting is if you consider the possibility that the
lights/objects were performing complex maneuvers, in formation, and then
returning to their original positions -- in 1/24th of a SECOND!  [1/48th
open shutter + 1/48th closed shutter = 1/24th second total shutter
interval.]

I suspect that you will feel this is a ridiculous and impossible
proposition, but an Australian TV news crew shot about 60 seconds of footage
of a UFO from a helicopter that showed just such incredible maneuvers.  The
footage looks just like the Vancouver lady's, and points to maneuverability
and speed that is unheard-of, even in conventional UFO documentation [e.g.,
radar tracks at 5,800 mph, right-angle turns, etc.]

Equally interesting, the lady's footage shows interesting color shifts that
could correspond to time-shifted light radiation  (i.e., a time-bending
mechanism at work, slowing down the local flow of time & allowing outlandish
maneuvers in 1/24th second) and regular blips of light along the "streaks"
(sort of like a time-lapsed ANO light on a airplane).

> Consider this particular story
> superificially debunked by my hypothesis and/or open for
> debate if one cares to.   I remain, C.V.

Debunked?  Not yet.  Let's keep the key word "superficially".  :-)

Best,
 Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Phenomenon framed again!
Date: 14 Dec 90 20:48:00 GMT

Steve:

I agree with your assessment. The single-frame light show struck me as well.
Have you tried calling the UM 800 number?

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Delton)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon framed again!
Date: 16 Dec 90 00:50:00 GMT

The "light streaks and overexposure" on single frames used to be common
knowledge back when 8mm amateur film was in it's heyday.  I used to get
them all the time from not releasing the "button" quickly. It would
allow the shutter to stop in the open position and wipe out that frame.
 I didn't see that particular Unsolved Mystery but from the way you
described it it doesn't sound like much of a mystery to me either.  I
guess all the segments can't be winners.
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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Phenomenon framed again!
Date: 14 Dec 90 16:34:01 GMT


 > Did we all get to take a break from reality Wednesday night, and
 > capture the outragous segment of NBC's "Unsolved Mysteries" on
 > our VCRs?

  I think you've completely nailed that one.
  I also wondered if that Super 8 camera has a single-frame mode we
didn't know about, but I think you're most likely right about the
mechanical problem. I suspect the film simply jumps the sprockets
every now and then.
  An obvious test would be to have a second photographer there with a
*film* camera. I understood that the UM crew had a video camera, and
it's possible that if all that light activity took place in 1/30
second or less it could occur between video frames and not be seen by
the video camera. That's stretching it, of course.
  A high-speed film camera would be even better.
  Wanna have some fun? Hold your camera's shutter open for a few
seconds while you drive along a city main street. Talk about lights
and streaks!

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon framed again!
Date: 15 Dec 90 17:30:08 GMT

>> capture the outragous segment of NBC's "Unsolved Mysteries"
>
> I think you've completely nailed that one.
> I also wondered if that Super 8 camera has a single-frame
> mode we didn't know about, but I think you're most likely
> right about the mechanical problem.

While that was suggested here locally...it is pointed out that a single-frame
mode would NOT leave the shutter open long enough to capture the streaky
movement by her hands.  The affected frame(s) would be no more or less exposed
that the rest of the footage...hence I believe not to be the cause.

> An obvious test would be to have a second photographer
> there with a *film* camera. I understood that the UM crew had a video

Perhaps, But I believe I heard Mr. Stack state that they used a camera of
'similar design'.  If so...I suspect that he meant it was a film super-8.  In
addition, remember that the raw segments of the show are shot on *film*...
albeit not 8 millimeter format.  It could be possible that he used his stock
camera.  We may never know.

> That's stretching it, of course.
> A high-speed film camera would be even better.

Somehow, I suspect the producers and technicians knew they had a dud there,
even if the show must go on...so why waste the test footage?  :-)

> Wanna have some fun? Hold your camera's shutter open for a
> few seconds while you drive along a city main street. Talk
> about lights and streaks!

Here's another excercise...if you can leave the shutter open on your still
camera...aim it at a lampost at night and try to write your name by making
'script' movements of the letters holding the camera in the air.  Fun.

Thank you and now...back to our show.  :-)

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon framed again!
Date: 15 Dec 90 17:58:46 GMT

> She did say she used three cameras? I must have missed
> that; I'll have to look at the tape.

Ahhh, but gentlemen...in dealing in this arena as you know...one must separate
the feces from the bullfeces.

Realize that she only provided footage for examination from ONE film roll. It
is assumed that all the blown-up shots were taken from that roll.  The
additional roll she shot while the crew was there also showed phenomenon
captured (according to Stack)...but with the SAME camera!  At no time did she
produce any second or third camera for examination.  For that matter, she
hasn't allowed the afflicted camera to be taken for tests, either!

Also remember...she was shooting mysterious *lights* from her balcony and was
not expecting any flashing phenomena.  She may have owned other cameras
(amazing how they were ALL super-8, eh?) but she was not shooting to get these
flashes...only to capture some 'strange lights' which is a separate issue.  It
was only AFTER the roll was developed that the frames and light "flashes" were
discovered.  Please keep this in mind...she was NOT shooting to get the
fireworks originally...only some simple 'lights' she saw.

I suspect that she did NOT get any valid flashing display with her first two
units beyond the lights themselves.  I believe when she started using the third
and current camera and the flashing frames were found (hopefully not
deliberately faked) she took it to mean a definate positive sign that she was
capturing unique communications of some sort and that her camera was privied
to them.

True, such mechanical defects are not common...but in my field of work with
video related matters, we all know to look at the gear first, when a problem in
operations occur that is not attributed to user error.  Just by looking at the
presented frames in question...I can plainly see an answer that is not
attributable to 'communicating lights'.  The show's producer wisely alerted the
viewers that they themselves could NOT duplicate the results with their own
gear.  I believe them and am grateful for their candor.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Roswell Witness Surfaces
Date: 17 Dec 90 09:11:00 GMT

Here is an article that was contributed by Sandy Barbre
regarding an article which appeared in a Springfield, MO
newspaper on December 9, 1990.
============================================================
CONTRIBUTED BY: Sandy Barbre
December 17, 1990
============================================================
The following was taken from a newspaper from Springfield, Missouri,
dated Sunday, December 9th, 1990.  The name of the newspaper I think,
is the NEWS-LEADER and article is in the section called Ozarks Accent.

-+--------------

TITLED:  NOTED EXPERT FINDS ACCOUNT CONVINCING.
BY: Mike O'Brien

   What sets Gerald Anderson apart from the thousands of other
   American's, including scores of Ozarkers, who say they've seen
   UFO's or even insist they've been kidnapped by creatures from
   outer space?

   Why are Gerald Anderson's childhood recollections stirring
   international interest among UFO researchers whose reputations
   have been built on healthy skepticism and willingness to
   debunk hoaxes?

   Because of little things he has to say and how he says them.

   Stanton Friedman, a nuclear physicist who has lectured on more
   than 600 college campuses about UFOs, describes Anderson as "a
   really significant, potentially the most important" witness to
   what both men believe was the aftermath of one of two space
   craft crashes in New Mexico in mid-summer 1947.

   Friedman is co-authoring a book based upon several years of
   painstaking investigation into the haunting mystery.  He was
   startled, upon meeting Anderson for the first time only a few
   months ago, to hear the Springfieldian echo details of the yet
   to be published research.

   "There's no way he could know some of these things unless he
   had been there at the time," Friedman believes.

   Example:  only days before first talking with Anderson,
   Friedman coaxed a heretofore reluctant New Mexico mortician
   into recounting a run-in he'd had in 1947 with an especially
   unpleasant red-headed captain who was heading up a team
   recovering bodies from a hush-hush aircraft crash.  Anderson,
   too, spoke of a red-headed captain with a mean disposition.
   Friedman says the descriptions of the ornery officer provided
   by the two match precisely, although Anderson and the mortician
   never have met.

   In sketches of the desert crash scene drawn by Anderson in
   Springfield following a hypnosis, a lonely windmill appears in
   the distance.  When Friedman later arranged for Anderson to
   return to New Mexico to pinpoint the long-ago crash site, no
   such windmill could be see on the horizon-- until, almost by
   accident, the windmill wa spotted behind tress that had grown
   up during the 43 years since Anderson was last there.

   "I got shivers over that one," says John Carpenter, who has
   extensively debriefed Anderson over the past 4 months and went
   along on Anderson's return trip to New Mexico in October.

   Carpenter holds degrees in psychology and psychiatric social
   work from DePauw and Washington universities and trained in
   clinical hypnosis at the Menninger Institute.  He's in his
   12th year of work at a psychiatric hospital facility in
   Springfield.

   "When Gerald tells his story, it's not just a story -- it's
   his life he's telling you, intermixed with his feelings and
   his beliefs and all that is Gerald," Carpenter says.

   "When someone is spinning a hoax or tale, they only give you
   enough to raise your curiosity.  Not Gerald.  He gives you
   everything, in detail, much more than you ask him for.  He'd
   be setting himself up to be found out if it wasn't true.  He's
   so confident, he goes so much further than a hoaxer would ever
   dare."

   Carpenter puts great stock in Anderson's recountings under
   hypnosis.  "It's what he didn't say that was significant."
   Carpenter says, explaining that despite clever prodding,
   Anderson never committed a hoaxer's mistake of "recalling"
   something that shouldn't be a part of his own memory.

   "And when he's under hypnosis, all the bigger, adult words
   drop out when he describes events from his childhood,"
   Carpenter found.  "He relates what he was in child-like
   terms."

   Carpenter also detected "genuine amazement" when Anderson
   heard what had been dredged from his subconscious memory under
   hypnosis.  "The look on his face was priceless when he realized
   he'd produced details he'd forgotten on a conscious level so
   long ago."

   Most subtle but perhaps most telling, in Carpenter's view, was
   Anderson's reaction to being accepted as a viable witness to
   an extraordinary encounter with a spacecraft and creatures from
   beyond Earth.

   "He was so grateful at being taken seriously.  You could see
   the relief and release after all those years, and the great
   hope that other people would take him seriously too, once and
   for all."

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 340

                         Wednesday, December 19th 1990

Today's Topics:

                        Roswell Witnesses Surfaces Pt. 2
                         Roswell Witness Surfaces Pt. 3
                         Roswell Witness Surfaces Pt. 4
                         Roswell Witness Surfaces Pt. 5
                                 Media coverage
                      Re: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
                          Re: Phenomenon framed again!

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Roswell Witnesses Surfaces Pt. 2
Date: 17 Dec 90 09:12:00 GMT

<<...Continued from previous message>>

   Ironically, Friedman points to Gallup Poll results indicating
   that 60 percent of Americans who have college degrees say they
   believe UFOs are real.  With such a receptive constituency,
   why would government officials persist in what Friedman calls
   the "Cosmic Watergate" -- the cover-up and denial of the New
   Mexico crashes?  Perhaps, some speculate, because it would be
   too embarrassing now to admit that some supposedly made-in-USA
   technologies actually were plagiarized from confiscated
   spacecraft.

   Friedman emphasizes that he's not as interested in uncovering
   past misdeeds as he is in encouraging future progress.

   "I believe we should have an 'Earthling" orientation rather
   than nationalistic orientation.  The easiest way to
   demonstrate the wisdom of this is to prove that life forms
   from other planets are coming here.  If we can do that, then
   everyone will be forced to look at our world differently, as a
   part of a galactic neighborhood."

-+-----end.

The second part of the Springfield newspaper, dated December 9th,
1990 is as follows:

Titled:  Fact or Fantasy?  Springfieldian seeks validation of UFO
         encounter 43 years ago.

Written by: Mike O'Brien

ALSO NOTE: the actual newspaper article shows a scene of the UFO
crash drawn by Gerald Anderson and also a sketch of a creature he
believes was a visitor from another galaxy.

-+-------------begin story--------------

   To a 5-year-old kid from Indianapolis, the mountains and mesas
and vast scrubland surrounding Albuquerque seemed an alien world.
   "I was in awe" recalls Gerald Anderson of his arrival in New
Mexico with his family in July 1947.  "I was in the wild
frontier.  There were real, live Indians out there."
   Then says Anderson, on his second day in the Southwest he
bumped into real,live creatures from a truly alien world.
   There were four -- two dead, on dying, one apparently
uninjured.  The creatures were about 4 feet tall, with heads
disproportionately large for their bodies by human measure and
almond-shaped, coal black eyes.  They huddled in the shadow of
50-ft-diameter silver disk - a "flying saucer" that had crashed
into a low hillside on the rim of what locals call the Plains of
San Augustin.
   Anderson, a former police chief at Rockaway Beach and Taney
County deputy sheriff who now works as a security officer in
Springfield, is adamant about events on the hot midsummer day so
long ago.
   "I saw them.  I even touched one of the creatures.  I put my
hand on their ship.  And I wasn't alone - my dad, my uncle, my
brother and my cousin all saw the same things.  And so did a lot
of other people.  But they aren't talking.
   Anderson is talking, publicly, after 43 years of silence.
   Among those listening most intently are some of the foremost
researchers into unidentified flying object (UFO phenomena.
These experts say Gerald Anderson appears to be an important link
in a frustratingly fragmented chain of evidence concerning the
most famous - or infamous - chapter in UFO annals: the so called
"Roswell Incident."
   No one denies that "something" happened in July 1947 in
central New Mexico, cradle of U.S. nuclear and rocket technology.
However, military authorities insist reports of strange craft in
the sky and bizarre wreckage on the ground were traced at the time
to an errant weather balloon and other manmade or natural
circumstance.
   Nonetheless, over the years, persistent whispered rumors grew
into published articles and books, even movies, which fanned
speculation that what actually occurred was a visit by creatures
from another planet - an intergalactic expedition that turned to
tragedy on the high desert and then into a massive cover-up in the
highest circles of the U.S. government.
   Anderson says he was unaware of ongoing fascination and
controversy over the strange episode from his childhood until one
evening this past January when he was flipping through channels
on his television set and stumbled across the popular program
"Unsolved Mysteries."
   "I wasn't looking for any unsolved mysteries - I have enough
mysteries in my life that are unsolved, and I don't need any
more," Anderson jokes.  He is a burly, barrel-chested man
standing 6-4 and carrying a muscular 250-plus pounds, with
reddish hair and a ruddy complexion creased from easy laughter.
   "But, bingo! On comes this story, and everything was wrong,"
Anderson recalls of the TV show.  On sudden impulse, he dialed an
800 phone number that flashed onto the screen. "I guess I figured
that if people were still interested in this thing, they might as
well get it straight" is the only explanation he can muster for
speaking up after years of keeping mostly mum on the matter.
   "These people don't know what they're talking about," Anderson
told the operator on the other end of the long-distance line.
"The shape of the craft is totally wrong. 'And how do you know
that, sir?" she asked. ' I saw it, I was there,' I told her.
"Whoa!" she said.  "Thee are some people who will want to talk to
you...'"
   Anderson's phone soon was ringing with calls from UFO
researchers around the country.  One in particular, Stanton
Friedman, a nuclear physicist and popular lecturer who had
advised the "Unsolved Mysteries" producers, was struck by
correlations between Anderson's recollections and obscure
details Friedman uncovered while sleuthing for a book to be
published next year.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Roswell Witness Surfaces Pt. 3
Date: 17 Dec 90 09:13:00 GMT

<<<...Continued from previous message>>>
   Friedman, who lives in Canada, contacted John Carpenter, a
Springfield professional therapist who in his spare time serves as a
director of investigations for the local chapter of Mutual UFO
Network, a nationwide organization of UFO researchers.  At Friedman's
request, Carpenter conducted extensive in person interviews of
Anderson, including sessions under hypnosis.
   The results excited Friedman.  "Powerful stuff!" he exclaimed upon
hearing interview tapes.  Friedman arranged airline tickets for
Anderson and Carpenter to join him in New Mexico to pinpoint the crash
site.
   Anderson says the flight was his first return to New Mexico in more
than a quarter-century.  After pointing the pilot of a chartered
helicopter to a spot in the desert 75 air miles southwest of
Albuquerque, Anderson gazed at a hillside, strewn with boulders the
size of Volkswagens and dotted with a few gnarled pinion trees, that
he says he saw in the summer of 1947.....

A NEW HOME

   The Anderson family arrived in Albuquerque from Indiana on July 4,
1947.  they took up temporary residence at the home of one of Gerald's
uncles, Guy Anderson.  Gerald's father, Glen, was about to take a job
as a master machinist involved in nuclear weapons design at the
super-secret Sandia base on the outskirts of town.
   The next day, another uncle, Ted, struck up a conversation with
Gerald's older brother Glen Jr., who was on leave from the Marine
Corps.  Glen Jr. was a rockhound, and his uncle piqued the young
Marine's enthusiasm with talks of gorgeous stones just waiting to be
collected in the desert.
  " Ted told my brother, ' I know where there's plenty of moss agate.'
So we all piled into a 1940 Plymouth - Uncle Ted, my cousin Victor
(Ted's 8 year old son), my brother, Glen, my dad and myself.  We went
out into this area where the moss agate was supposed to be - followed
two ruts into the desert, bounced along out there for a while, and
ended up on top of a ridgeline.  We parked the car and started to walk
down an arroyo (gully) and dry creek bed and out onto the plains.


A STRANGE DISCOVERY

   "But we came around a corner and right there in front of us stuck
into the side of this hill, was a silver disc.  There were some
remarks like"There's a crash up here!  Something's crashed up here! And
then someone saying 'That's a goddamn spaceship!"
   "We all went up there to it.  There were three creatures, three
bodies, lying on the ground underneath this thing in the shade.  Two
weren't moving and the third one obviously was having trouble
breathing, like when you have broken ribs.  There was a fourth one
next to it, sitting there on the ground.  There wasn't a thing wrong
with it, and it apparently had been giving first aid to the others.
   Anderson animatedly acts out the fourth creature's reaction when
the family members approached. "It recoiled in fear, like it thought
we were going to attack it," anderson recounts, covering his face with
crossed arms.  The adults tried to repeatedly to communicate with the
frightened creature, Anderson says, but there was no audible response
to greetings spoken in English and Spanish.
   A few minutes after the Anderson clan happened upon the bizarre
scene, six other people arrived - five college students and their
teacher.  They'd been working on an archaeological dig around cliff
dwellings a few miles away and had decided to hike over after seeing
what they thought was a firey meteor crashing the night before.  The
professor, a Dr. Buskirk, tried several foreign languages in
unsuccessful attempts to coax a verbal response from the creature,
Anderson says.
   The sun had climbed to a midday peak by this time and recalls
anderson, "to a kid from Indiana, it was hot brother, let me tell
you."  He chugged a chocolate flavored soft drink an hour earlier and
the sweet soda pop was churning uncomfortably in his stomach. so he
sought shelter in the shadow of the spacecraft.
   "It was 115 (degrees) out there that day.  But around the craft,
when you got close to it, it was cold.  When you touched the metal, it
felt just like it came out of a freezer."

SOMETHING WASN'T RIGHT

   Anderson also touched one of the creatures lying motionless on the
ground - and it, too was cold.  In his child's mind, he had thought the
figures looked like dolls.  But when he felt the cold skin, " I knew
something wasn't quite right.  Yuck!.
   Anderson says he ran to the crest of a nearby knoll to take stock.  A
pickup truck arrived on the ridge, and a fellow whom researchers believe
was a civil engineer named Barney Barnett joined the curious audience.  "I
remember thinking he looked like Harry Truman.  In 1947, every kid knew
what Harry Truman looked like," Anderson says.
   After a few minutes, Anderson summoned the courage to again creep close
to the strange saucer.  It was then more chilling than the surface of the
craft of the skin of the corpse; The upright creature turned and looked
right at me and it was like he was inside my head - as if he was doing my
thinking, as if his thoughts were in my head."
   Anderson remembers a mental sensation of falling and tumbling
end-over-end. "I felt that thing's fear, felt its depression, felt its
loneliness.  I relived the crash.  I know the terror it went through.  That
one look told me everything that quickly," he says with a snap of his
fingers.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Roswell Witness Surfaces Pt. 4
Date: 17 Dec 90 09:14:00 GMT

<<<<...Continued from previous message>>>>
   Other things began happening quickly about this time, Anderson says.  A
contingent of armed soldiers suddenly appeared.  The creature, which had
calmed down after its initial fright, "went crazy" at the sight of the
soldiers.  Thinking back on the creature's plight today brings on the
"awfulest, horrible feeling," Anderson says.
   "His situation was hopeless. He knew it.  He'd just lived through a
nightmare that most of us wouldn't be able to psychologically stand.  He'd
watched two of his crew, his friends or maybe even his family die.  He's
watching another one die. He knows there's no chance of rescue, because the
military is here and his people aren't going to be able to get him.
   "God only knows how far away from home he was, and he knew he was never
going to see - if they have loved ones - his loved ones again.  He was
totally alone on a hostile planet, and the only people who where showing
him kindness were being run off by the military at weapon-point.
   "As a kid, I was aware of what being afraid of the dark was like., and
the feeling I got from him was that feeling multiplied a million times.  It
was scary.  It was terrifying.


SOLDIERS ON THE SCENE

   Anderson says he lost sight of the creature as the soldiers swarmed over
the site.  The civilians were brusquely shoved from the craft. Anderson
remembers shouts and threats.  His uncle Ted threw a punch at one of
the GIs.  "Things got very tense, very dangerous," Anderson says.
"The soldiers ushered us out of there very unceremoniously.  Their
attitude, to describe it at best, was uncivilized."
   Anderson has an especially vivid memory of a tough-talking red
haired Army captain and an equally gruff black sergeant.  "They told
my dad and my uncle, who also worked at Sandia, that if they were ever
to divulge anything about this - it was a secret military aircraft,
they said - then us kids would be taken away and they'd never see us
again."  It seems an outrageous threat in hindsight, Anderson
concedes.  But at the time, he reminds, "These people had machine guns
and you listened to what they said."
   Another recollection strikes Anderson as odd today:  The soldiers
didn't appear surprised about the otherwordly craft and creatures.
they didn't gawk, slack-jawed and awe-struck as the Andersons had done.
"The soldiers weren't saying, 'Gee, look at that!"  They were very
cognizant of what they were looking at.  They knew what it was.
   And it soon became apparent, Anderson says, that the Army knew what
it wanted to do with the find. "there was a battalion of military, a
real invasion force, when we got back up on the hilltop.  There were
trucks, there were airplanes - they had the road blocked off and they
were landing on it.  They had radio communications gear set up.  There
were ambulances, and more soldiers with weapons."
   In the days that followed, all of New Mexico was abuzz with talk of
strange lights in the sky, strange echos on radar, strange doings in
the desert.  On July 7, new reports told of remnants of an
unidentified aircraft found by a rancher near the town of Roswell,
N.M. about 150 miles east of the hillside where the Anderson's stumbled
upon the saucer.
   Although several witnesses said it was like nothing they'd ever
seen before, military officers insisted the metallic pieces came from
an ordinary weather balloon.....

A WEATHER BALLOON?

   Forty three years later, Anderson smiles wryly when reminded of the
Army's pronouncement, "A lot of people wondered why, if it was just a
weather balloon, the military put the pieces under armed guard and flew
them in a B-29 to Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio," he observes.
   Anderson believes the wreckage scattered near Roswell and the barely
damaged saucer on the Plains of San Augustin are connected.  "There was a
gash in the side of the disc we saw, like it had been crushed in," he says.
"The contour of the craft would fit into that gash perfectly - like another
one of these things had hit it.  I think two of these discs had a mid-air
collision.  One exploded and feel in pieces near Roswell, and the other
crash-landed where we found it.
   With all evidence confiscated and the military steadfastly sticking
by the weather balloon explanation, the story faded from the news by July's
end.  And Gerald Anderson says he tucked away the memory as he grew into
manhood.  "I learned you just don't go up to the average person on the
street and say, "Damn, know what I saw?" The guy will go, "Get away from
me, fool!  Are you crazy?"  In later life, he didn't mention it even to his
wife until a few years after their marriage.
   Anderson joined the Navy in the late 1950s and served a dozen years in
posts around the globe.  He lived for a few years in Colorado, working as a
paramedic and working toward a college degree in microbiology.  In 1979, he
moved to Missouri to better raise his daughter away from what he terms the
"druggy" atmosphere of Denver.  In addition to his law enforcement posts,
Anderson has worked for two southwest Missouri trucking firms as a driver
and instructor.
   Anderson also has been active in the Episcopal Church.  He recently was
elected to the vestry at Ascension Episcopal in Springfield and is studying
toward becoming a deacon.   A gold crucifix - a cross complete with a
figure of the martyred Christ affixed to it - suspended from a chain around
Anderson's neck is testimony to his faith.

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Subject: Roswell Witness Surfaces Pt. 5
Date: 17 Dec 90 09:15:00 GMT

<<<<<...Continued from previous message>>>>>


NO CONFLICT IN BELIEFS

   Although he concedes his account might make some fellow churchgoers
uncomfortable, Anderson sees no conflict between what he saw with his eyes
and what he believes in his heart:  "When you're talking about the concept
of God, you have to be talking in the context of a universal situations, a
deity that built the whole universe.  And why should we assume that this
speck of sand in the backwater of space would be the only place that an
all-perfect, almighty God could create life?"
   In fact, Anderson says he "wouldn't be one bit surprised to find out
that, wherever this creature came from, there they have a very strong
concept of a supreme being.  Because of my contact with the creature showed
a high degree of civilized sophistication, gentleness, compassion - all of
the things we hold as ideals."
   Of the five anderson men who ventured into the desert that day in 1947,
only Gerald is still alive. Age, illness and accidents claimed the other
four in recent years.  But not only andersons were at the scene, Gerald
says, and he hopes his decision to come forth, albeit belated, will
encourage others to tell what they know and spur official revelations about
the captured craft and creatures.
   "I want to see the government stand up and say, 'Look, we're not alone
in the universe.
 Let's make a 'Star Trek' really happen.  Let's do go out there and explore
the universe.  That may be our only salvation. Because with what's doing to
this Earth, we're not going to make it much past the year 2000."

-+-----end of story--------------

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From: [e-mail] (Brian Clark)
Subject: Media coverage
Date: 16 Dec 90 17:09:00 GMT


 > The book BEST EVIDENCE details support for theory that JFK
 > was assassinated
 > from an order given by a high authority (supports Cooper's
 > JFK stuff?)

Remember, a doctor can identify the symptoms and sill make the
wrong diagnosis.  The danger with Cooper is that you will be able
to verify, on the surface, a lot of the information that he
provides, but be careful about assuming tha because he has one
thing right that everything is right.

Brian

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From: pecan.cray.com![e-mail]
Subject: Re: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 18 Dec 90 15:59:33 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Keith A. Fredericks)

John Hicks writes:

+  >   The physicist  Auguste  Meesen, Professor  at
+  > the  University  of Louvain, has proposed an explanation for
+  > this failure.  In certain conditions, infrared  rays  coming
+  > from  an  object  have  the  ability  to totally inhibit the
+  > chemical  reaction  that  permits  fixing an image on a
+  > negative.
+  >
+  > Q:  Is this a theory?
+  >
+  > A:  Not at all. It is a fact demonstrated by experiment
+  > that has been known for a long time, but nobody up to now
+  > has thought of it in connection with UFO photos.
+
+   These guys know not whereof they speak. But I think I know what
+ they're getting at.
+   We've all seen photos of what appear to be black ufos which the
+ witnesses say they saw as being shiny silver etc. Presumably the same
+ things fly at night too.
+   A photographic emulsion increases in density according to the
+ amount of exposure to light. At a point, density cannot increase and,
+ if exposure continues, emulsion response actually reverses.

Exposure effects causing reversal in photographic emulsions have been
the subject of much confusion.

Although it is possible to get image reversal due to increased exposure,
it is dependent upon the type of emulsion, intensity of the radiation
and to a certain extent type of development and so in no way is this to
be seen as a general relationship between photographic emulsions and
exposure times.

+   Ansel Adams demonstrated this many years ago in a photo he calls, I
+ think, Black Sun. It depicts a black sun over a normal-appearing
+ landscape.
+   What happened is the the image of the sun reversed and lost density
+ down to clear film base while the rest of the landscape was normal.

Ansel Adams is a poor reference for photographic science.  The best
reference for photographic reversal effects is ``Theory of the
Photographic Process'' edited by T.H James.  There is a chapter
by Robert Bacon (a research advisor of mine in college) on photographic
reversal effects.

I have done a good deal of study of photographic image reversal effects.
There are several known photographic effects to get an image reversal.
In general these are the Herschel effect, the Clayden effect and the LID
(Low-Intensity Desensitization) effect.  There are others.
The Herschel effect occurs due to long wavelength, perhaps infrared radiation.
The Clayden and LID effects occur due to long duration exposures to
low-intensity visible radiation.

In addition, it is possible to get bleaching effects during photographic
development.  Bleaching effects can be localized to border areas between
regions of high exposure and regions of low exposure.  This bleaching
has been shown to occur due to localized build-up of the development
by-products of hydroquinone.

+   Film responds to light by photons knocking loose atoms of silver
+ halide.

A photon hitting a silver halide crystal creates an electron and a hole.
The electron migrates to a sensitivity center where it reacts with
Ag+ to form silver metal.

+In development, the silver halide which has lost atoms is
+ converted to metallic silver while the unexposed halide is not.

In development, entire grains that have latent images become reduced to
silver metal.

+   When the film is fixed, the remaining halide is washed away and the
+ metallic silver remains to form the image.

Fixing washes unexposed silver halide crystals out of the emulsion.

[...]
+   To put it simply, photochemistry doesn't work quite the way Meesen
+ states, but he does have a very valid point about IR radiation.

(You might get your own facts straight before you criticize someone else.)

If enough photons hit the crystal (thought to be at least 10), a
stable developable latent image comprised of aggregations of metallic silver
is formed.

Image reversal may be achieved in the individual exposed silver halide crystal
by a mechanism known as recombination.  That is, recombination of the
latent image silver with the halide in solution to reform silver halide.
The above exposure effects have been shown to create the proper conditions
for this recombination.

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon framed again!
Date: 17 Dec 90 11:44:57 GMT

> Steve:
>
> I agree with your assessment. The single-frame light show
> struck me as well. Have you tried calling the UM 800 number?

Actually, no. I did not see them offer the number at the end of the segment, and it did not cross my mind that they might want an answer on this one.  I felt it better to bring the experts in by writing the message on a couple of conferences.  Perhaps someone on here has had actual contact with the woman on their own?  It has already been written up in the tabloids with the usual "Communicating Space Brothers" rhetoric.  :-)

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 341

                          Thursday, December 27th 1990

Today's Topics:

                         RE: Super 8 film light streaks
                          Belgian UFO/Hard Copy segment
                      Re: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
                          Belgian UFO/Hard Copy segment
                          Belgian UFO/Hard Copy segment
                          Belgian Ufo/hard Copy Segment
                         RE: Super 8 film light streaks
                      Re: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
                                       FYI
                          Resonant Gravity Field Coils?

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From: louie.edel.edu!mvac23!thomas
Subject: RE: Super 8 film light streaks
Date: 20 Dec 90 04:15:14 GMT

From: Thomas Lapp <mvac23![e-mail]>

+ From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
+ Subject: Phenomenon framed again!
+ Date: 13 Dec 90 06:38:44 GMT
+
+ [individual frames having flashes on them]

Here is another theory I've not seen proposed:  if the film and location
were at a lower humidity, it could very well be possible that she recorded
static electrical discharges on her film.  I've known this to happen
with a 35mm still camera with a motor drive on it.  When the motor drive
was left to run it pulled the film through the camera fast enough to
build up static electrical charge, which then sparked inside the camera.
Since the spark is *light*, it registered on the film. (in this case it
looked like green lightning on the photo).


+ Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:310/8
+ Here's another excercise...if you can leave the shutter open on your still
+ camera...aim it at a lampost at night and try to write your name by making
+ 'script' movements of the letters holding the camera in the air.  Fun.

But difficult, as you have to 'write backwards' by moving the camera in
the direction opposite you want the 'pen' to write!

                         - tom
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Belgian UFO/Hard Copy segment
Date: 20 Dec 90 02:56:00 GMT


Astonishing multiple videos and interviews of the Belgian flying wing UFO on
Hard Copy tonight, along with an interview with Vickie Cooper and ParaNet's
own Don Ecker!  Way to go!

The weight of the evidence, and the amount of evidence -- including senior
Belgian & NATO military personnel, the Belgian gendarmerie and citizen
witnesses was practically overwhelming.  So were the six separate videos of
the things (there are two, a wing and a disc, and they display a lovely
orange glow whenever they accelerate or maneuver rapidly).

There was also a concluding interview with Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. and a
commentary on the U.S. government's alleged possession of the Roswell craft
and the gov't's ongoing deception/lies about it.  The Hard Copy commentary
contrasted the U.S. attitude with the obviously forthcoming Belgians.
Bravo!

Again, congrats to all concerned.  Perhaps a letter-writing campaign by
ParaNet subscribers/members to the Producers/Story Editors of Hard Copy will
keep them focused on the subject.  Eh?

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Re: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 19 Dec 90 23:14:00 GMT


 >
 > (You might get your own facts straight before you criticize someone
 > else.)

Keith:

Thank you for _clarifying_ some of John's points. However, I don't perceive
that he was so far off the mark to deserve such a pointed rejoinder from you.
Perhaps you can explain for us laymen how your clarifications have invalidated
John's basic point? And please remember, we're all trying to achieve the same
goal here. Wouldn't it be nice if people just tuning in for the first
time could see that disagreements can be discussed in a gentlemanly fashion?

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Speiser)
Subject: Belgian UFO/Hard Copy segment
Date: 20 Dec 90 21:38:00 GMT


 > The weight of the evidence, and the amount of evidence -- including
 > senior Belgian & NATO military personnel, the Belgian gendarmerie and
 > citizen witnesses was practically overwhelming.  So were the six
 > separate videos of the things (there are two, a wing and a disc, and
 > they display a lovely orange glow whenever they accelerate or maneuver
 > rapidly).

I missed this effect, or did they just _say_ they glowed orange? Also, the
"hanging disk" video makes me a little nervous. I saw no anomalous movement,
except for a slow turning as if it were a medallion hanging on a chain, which
is exactly what it resembles.

 > Again, congrats to all concerned.  Perhaps a letter-writing campaign by
 > ParaNet subscribers/members to the Producers/Story Editors of Hard Copy
 > will keep them focused on the subject.  Eh?

Good idea!

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Belgian UFO/Hard Copy segment
Date: 22 Dec 90 00:22:00 GMT

Clark Matthews wrote;

 > Again, congrats to all concerned.  Perhaps a letter-writing
 > campaign by ParaNet subscribers/members to the
 > Producers/Story Editors of Hard Copy will keep them focused
 > on the subject.  Eh?


Clark, a very interesting idea. If you are serious let's see
what kind of response we get to that idea.

The address to Hard Copy is;

Hard Copy
5555 Melrose Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90038.

The producer of that segment was a guy named Dean Vallas. So
what does everyone else think?

Regards;

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Belgian Ufo/hard Copy Segment
Date: 22 Dec 90 15:56:00 GMT


 > Clark, a very interesting idea. If you are serious
 > let's see what kind of response we get to that idea.
 >
 > The address to Hard Copy is;
 >
 > Hard Copy
 > 5555 Melrose Ave.
 > Los Angeles, CA 90038.
 >
 > The producer of that segment was a guy named Dean
 > Vallas. So what does everyone else think?

Let's get this rolling, gang.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: RE: Super 8 film light streaks
Date: 21 Dec 90 16:25:19 GMT

> was left to run it pulled the film through the camera fast enough to
> build up static electrical charge, which then sparked inside the camera.
> Since the spark is *light*, it registered on the film. (in this case it
> looked like green lightning on the photo).

I wouldn't rule that out as there were a couple with a strong whitish-green
color. Yet on most of the frames the light flashes were multicolored and the
individual trails followed the principle light source(s).  There were numerous
"strikes" on each affected frame of film.  In addition, the effect was limited
to only a *single* frame with absolutely NO crossover to the adjacent frames on
either end.  I doubt a static discharge would be so particular about its
target. :-)


Thanks for the comments and thoughts on the matter.

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 21 Dec 90 16:28:01 GMT


 > Ansel Adams is a poor reference for photographic science.

  True, but he's one that Joe Public can easily find.

 > (You might get your own facts straight before you criticize
 > someone else.)

  I'm no kind of chemist, just a news photographer with about 15 years
experience.
  My point, and I believe you've confirmed it, is that it's quite
possible to unintentionally get an image in which a subject that was
visually brilliant is rendered as black in the final print.
  This effect has long been seen in ufo photos, and the explanation
may not be as mysterious as some would believe. I've seen quite a few
people show 'black' ufo photos and in each case, the lecturer hadn't a
clue about how such a thing could be possible without resort to some
mysterious force.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: FYI
Date: 24 Dec 90 07:37:00 GMT

>From the "I'm Not Sure It's Real, But If So........... Dept."

I have just been informed by Mr. Dave Aaron, Video Dave of the
UFO Clearinghouse of the following.

If you have read Vol. 5 No. 6 of UFO Magazine, and have been
following the B-2 Bomber vis a vis UFO technology.... well it
looks like the good folks at Rockwell, builders of the American
B-2 Bomber may SUE the good folks at "STEALTH CONDOM." Yep, that
is right, Stealth Condom. . . not Condominium! as in housing, but
condom as in a rubber product. It would appear that the folks at
Rockwell are taking a proprietary interest in the name of
Stealth! As the story is unfolding, a leading Condom
manufacturer was going to market a "Stealth Condom" and Rockwell
felt the URGE  to stop it at  the court level!  Guess you can't
tell where that sneaky little ol' Stealth will turn up.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

Don

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Resonant Gravity Field Coils?
Date: 27 Dec 90 06:14:22 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

Someone posted a very interesting article to the Usenet newsgroup
sci.skeptic recently.  It was a description of, and plans for, a device
called a Resonant Gravity Field Coil that allegedly could do things that
sounded like a mix of Lazar and the Philadelphia Experiment.

The device was alleged to be a gravity manipulator based on the
Biefeld-Brown effect.  It used a coil inside of a coil instead of two metal
plates. It apparently involved capacitance as well as inductance because
the concentric toroidal coils were separated by molten wax, and the
description said that the wax was intended as a dielectric and the file had
been annotated to say that substituting glycerine for the wax would
increase the field strength because glycerine has a higher dielectric
constant.  The field was called (at least in the annotation) a 'scorch
field', which of course is a term courtesy of Mr. Allen(de).  The
characteristics of this field, and hence the distortions on spacetime
within the torus, could be varied by varying the current through the two
coils.  No specifics were given, unfortunately.

Now the bad news.  The origin of the file is probably untraceable.  The
Usenet poster said that he had gotten it from a friend, and the friend had
downloaded it from BIX.  (BYTE Information Exchange, a commercial BBS with
[mostly] a highly technical usership.)  No information as to the identity
of the BIX uploader was given anywhere.  Worse, the only identification the
authors of the file provided were 'Shadow Hawk' and "Eagle One".  They
sound like hackers' (negative sense) or phreakers' handles, and in fact
they list three BBS numbers, one of which is named 'Pirate 80' and another
which is flagged 'Invitation Only'.  I haven't tried the numbers; I don't
even know where in the U.S. they are or how old the file is.


Has anyone seen this file, and can you identify the authors?  Has anyone
seen any files describing similar devices or theories?  (I haven't called
the Tesla BBS, could it have come from there?)  And of course the most
important thing -- could any of it be true?  I don't even know if the
Biefeld-Brown effect is for real. The biggest amount of information I've
heard about T. T. Brown was from Moore and Berlitz, and I don't want to
consider them reliable sources. What, for example, does Brown call his
device in his patents?  I can't see the patent office issuing a patent for
an antigravity device.


If there's enough interest, I could post the file here.  I'm not doing it
now because it's about 19K, and I want to see if it's already been debunked
as complete rubbish before I waste bandwidth.

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 342

                           Sunday, December 30th 1990

Today's Topics:

                                    Mars Face
                                       FYI
                         RE: Super 8 film light streaks
                           Re: Paranet Newsletter 341
                        Re: Resonant Gravity Field Coils?
                      Re: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
                                 Couldn't resist
                             Bas Predictions Review
                          Part 2 Bas Predictions Review
                           Re: Paranet Newsletter 341
                          Belgian Ufo/hard Copy Segment
                                       FYI

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Mars Face
Date: 27 Dec 90 04:02:16 GMT




 A 30 minute video program based on Hoagland's studies of the "Mars Face" will
be broadcast via the Weststar 4 satellite as part of the NASA Lewis (Cleveland)
Educational Television Series. The program will be broadcast at 12 noon on
January 6, 1991 and should be accessible to anyone with a satellite dish.


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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: FYI
Date: 26 Dec 90 19:14:09 GMT


 > looks like the good folks at Rockwell, builders of the American
 > B-2 Bomber may SUE the good folks at "STEALTH CONDOM."

  Seems to me I came across that in the local newspaper too. Funny.
Wonder if the Stealth Condom is triangular?  ;-)

                                           jbh

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From: pecan.cray.com!keith
Subject: RE: Super 8 film light streaks
Date: 29 Dec 90 01:43:08 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Keith A. Fredericks)

If anyone has access to copies (or originals) of the frames where
light streaks appear, would you please contact me.

It should be quite easy to tell the difference between exposure due to
electrical discharge and exposure due to reflected light of an
object. (with the originals)

Telling the difference between light streaks due to movement of the
camera or due to fast moving objects is more difficult.  Here it will
be interesting to see the streak structure.  It would of course be
very difficult to produce extremely complex patterns ``painting
with streetlights'' as has been suggested. (originals might not be
necessary for this analysis).

-keith
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From: cwns2.ins.cwru.edu!xx044
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 341
Date: 29 Dec 90 03:07:48 GMT

From: [e-mail] (UFOlogy SIG)



        Wow, I've been off the board for a while due to a heavy
work commitment.  I am very impressed with how things have
progressed over this time.  Hope to hear more from you.  Great
stuff!
                        Rick Dell'Aquila
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Resonant Gravity Field Coils?
Date: 29 Dec 90 03:07:00 GMT

>Someone posted a very interesting article to the Usenet newsgroup
>sci.skeptic recently.  It was a description of, and plans for, a device
>called a Resonant Gravity Field Coil that allegedly could do things that
>sounded like a mix of Lazar and the Philadelphia Experiment.

>Has anyone seen this file, and can you identify the authors?  Has anyone
>seen any files describing similar devices or theories?  (I
>the Tesla BBS, could it have come from there?)  And of course the most
>important thing -- could any of it be true?

James, I have seen a file similar to the one you describe.  It will be
available on my BBS within a week or so, along with numerous similar papers
and, hopefully, schematics.

Word is that concentric toroidal coils can work as described.  I have not
built one personally.  I am aware of one person who seems to have been
experimenting with them who suffered severe psychological sideeffects and
ultimately died as a result of a very unusual lab accident.  Similar
sideeffects are a matter of record in other high-energy pioneers, notably
Tesla.  In some circles, the word is that Jack Parsons was
fooling around with similar technologies at the time of his death.   My
point is that the danger attached toof the device seems to be quite real
and, worse, very unpredictable.  Fair warning.

You know your Allende!

I work in Edison, by the way.  The number of my BBS -- the Wrong Number BBS
-- will be announced here in due course, as soon as I complete the file base
and am assured that the mailer will function reliably.  So stay tuned for a
local access number.

Best,
  Clark

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From: pecan.cray.com!keith
Subject: Re: Interview with Jean-Pierre Petit
Date: 30 Dec 90 00:16:37 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Keith A. Fredericks)

-Thank you for _clarifying_ some of John's points. However, I don't perceive
-that he was so far off the mark to deserve such a pointed rejoinder from you.
-Perhaps you can explain for us laymen how your clarifications have invalidated
-John's basic point? And please remember, we're all trying to achieve the same
-goal here. Wouldn't it be nice if people just tuning in for the first
-time could see that disagreements can be discussed in a gentlemanly fashion?

Jim,

Alas, I have fallen into that trap that we all too often fall into.
That is, the trap of wanting to show how smart we are when a topic
comes up about which we know something.

This is not a debating contest.  (Or, that is not the intent).
I was just seeking to impart information to this net.

Correct me if I am wrong, but, a clarification, (as you have
correctly identified), does not necessitate invalidation.  I hope
that I did not imply that John's remarks are not valid.

I think that points out another danger on the net, and particularly
on Paranet.  That is, people seeking to validate and invalidate.
In my opinion this is the trap that the holier-than-thou pedantic
skeptic continues to fall into (myself included).

All too often we tend for convienience to polarize our data into
``right'' and ``wrong'' when in fact it may be partly right and partly
wrong.  Unlike the hardcore skeptic, I suggest that we suspend judgement
for a while on some of these things that are in a gray area.
And there are so many things on Paranet that are neither black or white.

As for your suggestion to discuss things in a ``gentlemanly fashion''
I agree in principle with your statement, but would perhaps dust
off some of the patriarchal trimmings.  The use of the male gender
in text like this is probably inappropriate nowadays.

-keith
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Couldn't resist
Date: 30 Dec 90 03:50:00 GMT

I transferred two pieces of mail that Rick Moen of the Bay
Area Skeptics uploaded to ParaNet Predictions Registry. I
found it very interesting and informative.

Thanks Rick.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Bas Predictions Review
Date: 30 Dec 90 03:46:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "ParaNet International Predictions "
 * Originally from Rick Moen
 * Originally dated 12-29-90 02:45

[part one of two]

Press Release -- December 1990 -- For Immediate Release

Contacts: Yves Barbero    415-285-4358
          Robert Steiner  415-235-5516
          Robert Sheaffer 408-379-2854, 408-492-2000

Bay Area Skeptics, 4030 Moraga, San Francisco, CA 94122 U.S.A.

PSYCHICS' PREDICTIONS FIZZLE FOR 1990

Jackie Onassis did not marry the young rock star Jon Bon Jovi.  A
tidal wave did not flood Manhattan.  A meteorite did not land in
the White House Rose Garden, and a cure was not found for the
common cold.  These are just a few of the many predictions that
had been made for 1990 by famous "psychics", but were dead wrong,
as chronicled by the _Bay Area Skeptics_.

At the end of each year, many well-known "psychics" issue
predictions for the coming year.  Twelve months later, they issue
another set of predictions, conveniently forgetting those they
made the year before, which are always nearly 100% wrong.  Each
year, however, the Bay Area Skeptics dig up the predictions made
the year before, to the embarrassment of those who made them.

Many of the "psychic" predictions made are so vague that it is
impossible to say if they came true or not:  For example, Jeane
Dixon's prediction that "secrets will weigh heavily" on
Vice-President Dan Quayle is not obviously true or false.  Many
other "predictions" involve things that happen every year, or
else are not difficult to guess, such as hurricanes along the
Gulf Coast, marital strife for Charles and Diana, or terrorist
incidents.  Many "predictions" simply state that ongoing events
and trends will continue, such as economic uncertainty, or
conflict in the Middle East.

Other supposed "predictions" are not really predictions at all,
but are actually disclosures of little-known events that are
already under way, such as movie productions, business ventures,
or developing scandals.  Because questionable claims of having
made an amazing prediction frequently are made in the wake of
major news stories, the Bay Area Skeptics only evaluates
predictions that were widely known before the events they claimed
to foretell.  While some predictions did of course come true,
especially those that were unspecific, or not at all difficult to
guess, not _one_ prediction that was both specific _and_
surprision came true.

The famous Washington, D.C. "psychic" Jeane Dixon, who supposedly
has a "gift of prophesy", predicted that George Bush's "greatest
challenge" would come this summer when he would be forced to make
"life-and-death decisions about troubles in Latin America and
China".  While those regions were relatively quiet this summer,
Dixon somehow failed to foresee Bush having any trouble with
Iraq.  "The worst stock market drop of the year will come in
mid-April", she predicted; it actually occurred from August
through mid-October.  She also warned that the West Coast "will
be shaken again by an October earthquake" which will "bring a
volcano to life" [_The Star_, Jan. 16, 1990].

St. Louis "psychic" Beverly Jaegers, who claims to be able to
make accurate stock market predictions, predicted that defrocked
evangelist Jimmy Bakker would become a "hunted fugitive" after an
escape from prison, and that Madonna would get pregnant from an
affair with Pee-Wee Herman [_National Enquirer_, July 3, 1990].

In Chicago, "psychic" Irene Hughes predicted that Jacqueline
Onassis would tie the knot with rock star Jon Bon Jovi, that
Bryant Gumbel would be fired from the "Today" show after an ugly
bar-room brawl, and that Chuck Norris would lead a group of
mercenaries in a successful attack on a Colombian drug field
[_National Enquirer_, Jan. 2, 1990].

[continued to part two...]

--------------------
Regards,                Speaking for Bay Area Skeptics?  Aye.
Rick Moen, Secretary    Anyone else?  Nay.
Bay Area Skeptics
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Part 2 Bas Predictions Review
Date: 30 Dec 90 03:46:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "ParaNet International Predictions "
 * Originally from Michael Corbin
 * Originally dated 12-29-90 16:37

The second part of Rick Moen's posting got mangled.  Here it is:

Rick Moen
All
Bas Predictions review
29 Dec 90 02:45:20
[part two of two]

Los Angeles "psychic" Marie Graciette predicted that the largest
earthquake ever recorded would strike the sea bed near New York
City, sending in a tidal wave that would flood Manhattan
[_National Enquirer_, July 3, 1990].  A meteorite would land in
the White House Rose Garden, endangering the First Family by the
levels of radiation it emits.  (Meteorites are primarily made of
iron and nickel, which are not radioactive.)  She also predicted
that Japanese scientists would discover a cure for the common
cold while investigating the ink spewed out by squid [_National
Enquirer_, Jan. 2, 1990].

Southern Californian Clarisa Bernhardt, who claims to make
"incredibly accurate" earthquake predictions, foresaw that Barbra
Streisand would go to Cuba and wind up in a "sizzling" romance
with Fidel Castro [_National Enquirer_, July 3, 1990].  She also
predicted that the Major Leagues would have their first female
baseball player, whose skill would make her a superstar
[_National Enquirer_, Jan. 2, 1990].

Here in Northern California, "Psychic Astrologer" Terrie Brill of
Redwood City predicted five years ago [_San Francisco Examiner_,
Dec. 16, 1985] that 1990 would absolutely be the year that a
massive earthquake would reshape the California coastline.  "If
there was doubt [about this prediction], I'd say there was
doubt", she reaffirmed to the reporter.  This past December, she
predicted that Oprah Winfrey would marry, that Manuel Noriega
(who was then holed up in the Vatican Embassy in Panama) would be
released, but not to the United States, and would be killed by a
Panamanian before six months had passed [_San Francisco
Examiner_, Dec. 28, 1990].  Brill charges her clients $195 an
hour for predictions such as these.  Twelve months ago, Brill went
on record predicting an earthquake that would make the Bay Area
"fall into the ocean" during 1991 [_San Jose Mercury-News_, Jan.
1, 1990], but in view of her previous dismal track record, the
Bay Area Skeptics see no cause for alarm.

Based on the continuing failure of the "psychics" to make
accurate predictions over the years, the Bay Area Skeptics urge
everyone -- including the press -- to exercise some healthy
skepticism when "psychics" and other purveyors of the paranormal
make extraordinary claims or predictions.  Anyone who swallows
the "psychics'" claims year after year, without checking the
record, is setting a bad example for students and for the public.

It is important to note that no "psychic" succeeded in predicting
the genuinely _surprising_ news stories of 1990:  the invasion
and occupation of Kuwait by Iraq; Hussein's holding of thousands
of foreign hostages as "human shields"; George Bush saying yes to
"new taxes"; and the stunning electoral defeat of the Sandinistas
in Nicaragua.  These major news stories were so unanticipated
that someone would have had to be truly "psychic" to have
predicted them.  Given the number of so-called "psychics" out
there, one would expect that at least a few of them would have
correctly predicted these -- unless, of course, all such claims
of "psychic powers" are without foundation.

The _Bay Area Skeptics_ is a group of people from all walks of
life who support the critical examination of paranormal claims,
such as psychic powers, UFOs, astrology, Bigfoot, biorhythms,
etc.  Similar skeptics' organizations are active in many other
areas of the country, including Southern California, New York,
Colorado, Illinois, Arizona, Texas, and Ohio.  The Committee for
the Scientific Examination of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP)
is an international skeptics' organization, made up of many
famous writers, scientists, and investigators, such as Martin
Gardner, Stephen Jay Gould, James "The Amazing" Randi, Isaac
Asimov, and many others.  Similar skeptics' groups have also been
formed in many foreign countries, including Australia, Canada,
France, the United Kingdom, Mexico, and India.  These groups
cooperate in making their findings available to other
researchers, and to the public.

For more information about the activities of the Bay Area
Skeptics, you can call their recorded message line at
415-LA-TRUTH.


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Rick Moen, Secretary    Anyone else?  Nay.
Bay Area Skeptics
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 341
Date: 30 Dec 90 03:47:00 GMT


 > From: cwns2.ins.cwru.edu![e-mail]
 > Date: 29 Dec 90 03:07:48 GMT
 > Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 > Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >
 > From: [e-mail] (UFOlogy SIG)

Welcome back, Rick!  Glad to see you in here finally.

Hope to see lots of participation from you and your group in
Cleveland.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Belgian Ufo/hard Copy Segment
Date: 27 Dec 90 15:21:00 GMT


 * Replying to a message originally to Don Ecker
 MC>  > Clark, a very interesting idea. If you are serious
 MC>  > let's see what kind of response we get to that idea.
 MC>  >
 MC>  > The address to Hard Copy is;
 MC>  >
 MC>  > Hard Copy
 MC>  > 5555 Melrose Ave.
 MC>  > Los Angeles, CA 90038.
 MC>  >
 MC>  > The producer of that segment was a guy named Dean
 MC>  > Vallas. So what does everyone else think?
 MC>
 MC> Let's get this rolling, gang.
 MC>
 MC> Mike
 MC>
 MC> --- FD 1.99c
 MC>  * Origin: ParaNet Information Service -- Leading UFO
 MC> Research Network (9:1010/
Mike, I think thats a excellent ideal but it would be better if we
could all write the major networks like 20/20 that has a vast
veiwing audience. These are the shows that won't show this type of
material because of reasons that are unknown to us. Hard Copy was
taken off the air at prime time in this area and is now shown at
6:00 am in the morning. It has very little audience at this time.
         73's      ---Jim---
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: FYI
Date: 27 Dec 90 15:26:01 GMT


 * Replying to a message originally to All
 DE> From the "I'm Not Sure It's Real, But If So...........
 DE> Dept."
 DE>
 DE> I have just been informed by Mr. Dave Aaron, Video Dave of
 DE> the UFO Clearinghouse of the following.
 DE>
 DE> If you have read Vol. 5 No. 6 of UFO Magazine, and have
 DE> been following the B-2 Bomber vis a vis UFO technology....
 DE> well it looks like the good folks at Rockwell, builders of
 DE> the American B-2 Bomber may SUE the good folks at "STEALTH
 DE> CONDOM." Yep, that is right, Stealth Condom. . . not
 DE> Condominium! as in housing, but condom as in a rubber
 DE> product. It would appear that the folks at Rockwell are
 DE> taking a proprietary interest in the name of Stealth! As
 DE> the story is unfolding, a leading Condom manufacturer was
 DE> going to market a "Stealth Condom" and Rockwell felt the
 DE> URGE  to stop it at  the court level!  Guess you can't tell
 DE> where that sneaky little ol' Stealth will turn up.
 DE>
 DE> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
 DE>
 DE> Don
 DE>
 DE> --- FD 1.99c
 DE>  * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Delta < sm > The Data Base
 DE> (1:30163/22)
Don, was the purpose of these new condoms for guys that don't want
their you no what to be seen? Or for the boys in MJ--.
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 343

                          Wednesday, January 2nd 1991

Today's Topics:

                          Ten Strangest Stories of 1990
                                 Couldn't resist
                           Re: Paranet Newsletter 342
                                    New Items
                        Re: Resonant Gravity Field Coils
                                 Happy New Year!
                       Jim Speiser, WM. Moore, Bill Moore.
                         RE: Super 8 film light streaks
                           Re: Bas Predictions Review
                                    Mars Face
                          Re: Phenomenon framed again!
                          Re: Phenomenon framed again!

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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!rblack
Subject: Ten Strangest Stories of 1990
Date: 31 Dec 90 06:18:16 GMT

From: Roger Black <[e-mail]>

The December 30 Des Moines Register has an article on the 'ten strangest
news stories' of 1990, as compiled by Strange Magazine.  They include a
number of interesting items, including Crop Circles, a 500-pound Chinese
'wild man' (pursued but never captured), a rain of fish in Australia, and
an exploding cactus in Arizona.

The following stories, however, are probably of greatest interest here:

(7) The 'Thing in the window' video.  "On Halloween 1989, Gina Jones and
her husband viewed orange lights in a 'W' formation outside their
Greenville, S.C., home.  Gina Jones videotaped the lights.  When they
played back the tape, they found that the camera recorded a small alien-
like figure scurrying past the lit bathroom window at the southwest
corner of her house.  It was a biped about 2 feet tall, with its arms
held up as if to cover its face.  'It's not a cat, it's not a squirrel,
it's not a bird ... Everybody laughs at me until they see the tape,' she
says.'

(9) Japanese anti-gravity device.  'Scientists Hideo Hayasaka and Sakae
Takeuchi of Tohoko University have claimed that their special gyroscope,
when spun between 3,000 and 13,000 rpm, lost between 20-millionths and
60-millionths of its 11.3-ounce weight, violating the laws of physics.
Senior scientists cannot prove them wrong and have asked for a repeat of
the experiment:  If it's true, the discovery could lead to invention of
an anti-gravity device.'

(10) UFO propulsion in the Stealth bomber.  'Former NASA mission
specialist Robert Oechsler said this year, 'The Stealth bomber you see
flying around actually had its primary propulsion system removed from a
recovered flying saucer.'  He said his sources are highly placed
intelligence officers and also claimed to have received information from
a physicist who does government work at a secret Nevada lab.  This
physicist says he has seen the crashed UFOs and states that some have
been put back together and successfully flown.'

[Source:  Des Moines Register, 30 December 90, p. 2A]




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From: pecan.cray.com!keith
Subject: Couldn't resist
Date: 31 Dec 90 18:15:35 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Keith A. Fredericks)

Please try harder to resist, Mike.  These things found their way into
the media as cutesy-cutesy news items.  My theory is that these are
actually a new strain of insight-resistant viruses.

-keith
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From: cwns2.ins.cwru.edu!aa440
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 342
Date: 1 Jan 91 00:16:12 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Dale Wedge)

Just wanted you to know that we got the ParaNet Newsletter 342,
which was just as great as ParaNet Newsletter 341, perhaps
even better here at Cleveland Free-Net (216-368-3888).  Any-
ways, I approved the message to the files and general section
of the UFOlogy Sig.  The files section so that it can be
saved and the general section so that people can comment on it.

Thanks again,

Dale B. Wedge
Co-SySop
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: New Items
Date: 1 Jan 91 02:41:00 GMT

As you have noticed, we are now linked in with our digest to
the Cleveland Free-Net.  The Free-Net is a site in
Cleveland, Ohio which offers many different sigs.  Dale
Wedge and Rick Dell'Aquila are the sysops of this and I am
most happy to have them here.  Welcome.

We have also appointed John Burke as ParaNet's legal
counsel.  John comes to us from Chicago, Illinois and is
actively involved with ParaNet.  John is a fine addition to
our group as ParaNet continues to grow.  John is a
litigation attorney in the Chicago area.  Welcome John!

Michael Corbin
Director
ParaNet(sm)

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Re: Resonant Gravity Field Coils
Date: 1 Jan 91 05:13:00 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

First, I thought I'd let the gang in on a little research I did a few
nights ago when I was bored.  I called one of the BBSs listed in the
Resonant Gravity Field Coil file I mentioned, and logged in as GUEST.
(Smart move, as it turns out.)  I went to the file section and looked for
the file, and it was dated sometime in early November.  So it's probably
contemporary (though not necessarily, because they were in 'upload anything
you downloaded before the bust, please' mode.)  They didn't have any other
gravity-related files, so I turned to the message area and searched for
references to it or its authors.  Turns out that the author hasn't been
around for a while -- he's been arrested for computer crimes.  The sysop
didn't seem to be too impressed with his file, and said that he thinks he
copied it from a Consumertronics publication.  Another person said it
sounded like something out of Information Unlimited.  They were all pretty
skeptical, and nobody had actually had any experience with the subject.
(FYI, see 'Computer Shopper' for Consumertronics ads and "Discover" for
Information Unlimited ads.  Though I don't remember seeing any gravity
coils advertised by either of them.  In fairness to the authors, though,
they said that the only place to get information was by mail order and
nobody had it all.)


Enough of that.  Onward!

In an article dated 29 Dec 90, Clark Matthews writes:

+Word is that concentric toroidal coils can work as described.  I have not
+built one personally.  I am aware of one person who seems to have been
+experimenting with them who suffered severe psychological sideeffects and
+ultimately died as a result of a very unusual lab accident.  Similar
+sideeffects are a matter of record in other high-energy pioneers, notably
+Tesla.

You'll have to bear with me, Clark, because I'm even newer to the
electro-gravity field than I am to the UFO field, and I'm not heavily
involved in either one.

I know that Tesla was rather eccentric (to be kind), but I'm not sure if he
was always that way or whether it was a worsening condition.  If it got
worse over time, it could've been psychological.  He was involved in a feud
with Edison and a lawsuit against Marconi, wasn't he?  But then again, I'm
not sure I'd want to expose myself to as much RF as he certainly did.

+         In some circles, the word is that Jack Parsons was
+fooling around with similar technologies at the time of his death.   My
+point is that the danger attached toof the device seems to be quite real
+and, worse, very unpredictable.  Fair warning.

Who was Jack Parsons?

I'm sure that such devices could be dangerous.  From a purely
electromagnetic perspective, what would happen if the power failed
unexpectedly?  (The file I have advises against letting this happen!)  I
envision the power supply exploding from the induced current.  I don't know
anything about EMP generation, but I imagine it would be a possibility
also.  And if it *does* somehow alter local spacetime, have you seen the
Star Trek: The Next Generation episode where Wesley is hacking the warp
drive and traps his mother in a collapsing universe?  :-)  (And it just ran
again on Saturday, too...)

+You know your Allende!

Well, if you're ever in Montgomery and see a group of people apparently
laying their hands on thin air...

But seriously, 'Dr. Rinehart' said that the Experiment was covered up not
because of the technology involved but because of the embarassment of the
lives destroyed.  So I guess the question becomes, does Allende talk about
the Experiment because he's crazy, or is he crazy because of the
Experiment?  He stuck his hand into the field -- he must've been crazy.
[1/2 :-) ]

+  the Wrong Number BBS

Love it!

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Happy New Year!
Date: 1 Jan 91 14:37:00 GMT


Happy New Year to all! Here is hoping that the New Year will be
much better than last year, and an additional hope that the
crisis in the Mid East may be resolved with out the use of force.

Best;

Don Ecker

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From: [e-mail] (Ben Metzler)
Subject: Jim Speiser, WM. Moore, Bill Moore.
Date: 30 Dec 90 12:00:09 GMT


     To anyone who reads this,

      Please ask Jim Speiser, WM. Moore, or Bill Moore to contact
Ben Metzler at 503-624-2124 at thier convenience, I Very much wish
to talk to any of them about UFO's, Goverment cover-up, and the such.
 I have no information other then what I have recieved from various
boards, and I would dearly like more to pass onto a friend of mine
who does not have access to a computrer like myself.
     This friend, I feel, would be very interested in contacting any
of the three.

                           Thank you,
                             Ben.


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: RE: Super 8 film light streaks
Date: 31 Dec 90 17:35:34 GMT

> If anyone has access to copies (or originals) of the frames where
> light streaks appear, would you please contact me.


Well...you may never get to see any original frames in person...but 'Unsolved
Mysteries' should be into re-runs soon, if nobody has a tape copy.  :-)

Happy KNEW Year!   <--- A psychic's New Years greeting.

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Re: Bas Predictions Review
Date: 31 Dec 90 17:38:06 GMT

> The famous Washington, D.C. "psychic" Jeane Dixon, who supposedly
> has a "gift of prophesy", predicted that George Bush's "greatest
> challenge" would come this summer when he would be forced to make
> "life-and-death decisions about troubles in Latin America and
> China".  While those regions were relatively quiet this summer,
> Dixon somehow failed to foresee Bush having any trouble with Iraq.



OK!!  So she failed geography class.  Give her a break!  :-)

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From: [e-mail] (John Finney)
Subject: Mars Face
Date: 30 Dec 90 16:52:02 GMT

In a message of <Dec 26 21:02>, Paul Faeder (9:1010/0) writes:

 > A 30 minute video program based on Hoagland's studies of the "Mars Face"
 >will be broadcast via the Weststar 4 satellite as part of the NASA Lewis
 >(Cleveland) Educational Television Series. The program will be broadcast
 >at 12 noon on January 6, 1991 and should be accessible to anyone with a
 >satellite dish.

I heard Friday that this got canceled by NASA with no explaination or future
date for broadcast.  There might be a problem since Weststar 4 is almost
"dead" (meaning almost out of manuvering fuel) and might not be operational
(with no fuel it can't stay on location properly) at that time.  There is a
big ruckus being raised about the broadcast being stopped.

john


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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon framed again!
Date: 31 Dec 90 22:28:00 GMT

Hi,
I saw your message and, even though I don't know the 800 number for Unsolved
Mysteries, I do have another number I could pass along if you want it.
Please let me know and I'll post it.
==Peggy Noonan==
PS--has anyone seen her photos at the various conferences?  Sounds like she
does a LOT of selling there.

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon framed again!
Date: 1 Jan 91 05:43:03 GMT


 > PS--has anyone seen her photos at the various conferences?
 > Sounds like she does a LOT of selling there.

  I didn't see her at NUFOC or the MUFON symposium.
  I sure would like to converse with someone who has examined her
cameras.

                                           jbh

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 344

                           Saturday, January 5th 1991

Today's Topics:

                           Re: Paranet Newsletter 341
                      RE: MARS FACE - Hoagland's Mars Show
                        Re: Resonant Gravity Field Coils
                                 Hoagland's Mars
                               Hoagland broadcast
                                    Mars Face
                               Hoagland's program
                                Re: Crop Circles
                                 New Affiliates
                                  RE: Mars Face

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From: cwns2.ins.cwru.edu!ah174
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 341
Date: 2 Jan 91 17:40:57 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Greg Johns)



+Now the bad news.  The origin of the file is probably untraceable.  The
+Usenet poster said that he had gotten it from a friend, and the friend had
+downloaded it from BIX.  (BYTE Information Exchange, a commercial BBS with
+[mostly] a highly technical usership.) No information as to the identity
+of the BIX uploader was given anywhere.  Worse, the only identification the
+authors of the file provided were 'Shadow Hawk' and 'Eagle One'.  They
+sound like hackers' (negative sense) or phreakers' handles, and in fact
+they list three BBS numbers, one of which is named 'Pirate 80' and another
+which is flagged 'Invitation Only'.  I haven't tried the numbers; I don't
+even know where in the U.S. they are or how old the file is.
+
+
+If there's enough interest, I could post the file here.  I'm not doing it
+now because it's about 19K, and I want to see if it's already been debunked
+as complete rubbish before I waste bandwidth.

-----

Don't put this in the letter, but I know I have seen that file before, and
I'm pretty sure those are 'elite' boards. If you could send me the file, I
could probably say for sure.

'Pirate 80' might even be local to me.

oh, the letter is great!


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From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked
Subject: RE: MARS FACE - Hoagland's Mars Show
Date: 3 Jan 91 00:18:26 GMT

From: Mike Dobbs <[e-mail]>

On December 14, NASA put the airing of the show Hoagland's MARS on
hold.  It was 9 months in the making, scheduled for broadcast for
about 2 months and then 3 weeks before air time (JAN 6) the show was
put on hold by NASA headquarters.

Richard Hoagland appears weekly (usually Fridays) on a radio talk show
called 'For the People' with host Chuck Harder on the Sun Radio
Network. Richard was making the show very public and advising
listeners to contact their local PBS TV station and Cable company to
let them know about the show and let them know how interested the
public was in seeing it.  In my opinion, the fact that this show was
no longer going to be seen by a very small and limited audience made
somebody very nervous.  So three weeks ago the show was cancelled.
Hoagland then got back on 'For the People' and gave out names and
phone numbers of people at NASA and Bob Roe, Chairman of the House
Committee of Science, Space, & Technology.  Thousands of people
started calling, faxing and writing.  As a result NASA has now decided
they _have_ to present _something_ so they are completely re-editing the
program and have not yet scheduled the new date.  It is Richard
Hoaglands feeling that this 'maniputation' of the show is designed to
make him look bad.  They are going to now add interviews with
planetary scientists to debunk the whole thing and _not_ give Hoagland
and the others at the Mars Project any chance for rebuttle.

This thing smells of a cover-up... Why has NASA invited Hoagland to
speak to large NASA audiences at Research Center three times?
Why did they spend nine months working on a educational TV show, get it
all done and scheduled at the last minute pull it off the air when
the audience was going to be much larger than expected? Why do they
feel they need to NOW totally re-edit the show but not allow the
primary speaker to add anything in response to new interviews with
planetary scientists who have not even studied the evidence in any detail?

If you want to write or call somebody to try to get some answers,
here is a list.

        Dr. Robert Brown                phone [phone]
        Director of Education
        NASA
        400 Maryland Avenue SW
        Washington D.C.  20546


        Bob Roe                         phone [phone]
        Chairman of the House Committee of Science, Space & Technology
        Suite 2321, Rayburn Office Building
        Washington D.C.  20515


        Richard Hoagland                phone [phone]
        The Mars Mission
        P.O. Box 981
        Wytheville, VA  24382

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Resonant Gravity Field Coils
Date: 3 Jan 91 05:33:00 GMT


 To James Shaffer vanth!jms

 > 'upload anything you downloaded before the bust, please'

Interesting.  I wonder if it was Operation Sundevil. Or something
more recent.  Do you suppose anybody bothered getting a
warrant, or is that another outdated, Sixties' notion?  Anyway,
continuing ...

 > sysop hasn't been
 > around for a while -- he's been arrested for computer
 > crimes.  The sysop
 > didn't seem to be too impressed with his file, and said
 > that he thinks he
 > copied it from a Consumertronics publication.

I think he copied it, too.  Except for that interesting little
annotation.

BTW, "crackers" (as distinguished from hackers) may be amoral,
childish, antisocial types, but as a rule their "accomplishments"
tend to be genuine.  I mean, if they weren't dangerous, why seize
their computers and read their userlogs into the FBI computer for
our protection?

 > I know that Tesla was rather eccentric (to be kind), but
 > I'm not sure if he
 > was always that way or whether it was a worsening
 > condition.  If it got
 > worse over time, it could've been psychological.

He got noticeably worse during his work at Colorado Springs &
Wardenclyffe.  That was when he started his long obsession with
birds, especially pigeons.  His condition stabilized after J.P. Morgan &
Westinghouse pulled the plug on Wardenclyffe and he didn't have
the funding to continue his experiments.

 > He was involved in a feud
 > with Edison and a lawsuit against Marconi, wasn't he?

Yeah, he saved Edison's N.Y. operation by fixing Edison's
downtown N.Y. generating station.  Then Edison refused to give
Tesla the raise he had promised Tesla for saving the bacon.  Edison
was a dirtbag, anyway, first trying to steal Tesla's polyphase AC
patents (he failed) and then trying to discredit Tesla after he
sold his patents to Westinghouse.  When Tesla & Westinghouse
introduced AC power, it naturally became the world standard
of power generation and transmission, thus dooming Edison to
marketing movies and gramophone cylinders.  Read Margaret
Cheny's book on the subject "Man Out of Time".  It's outstanding.

Tesla won the patent suit against Marconi, too.  Tesla actually
demonstrated remote control by RADIO at the 1897 World's Fair.
He used it to control a small electric boat.  David Sarnoff was a
Marconi ally and successfully suppressed Marconi's loss and
Tesla's victory -- and of course the royalties were not paid to
Tesla's estate until many, many years after Tesla's death. And
after many, many lawyers swilled at the trough first.

 > Who was Jack Parsons?

Jack Parsons was the founding director of the Jet Propulsion
Laboratory in Pasadena and the guiding genius of the U.S. P-80
and F-86 jet fighter program during WWII.  He died in 1946 at the age
of 32 (I think).

 >
 > I'm sure that such devices could be dangerous.  From a
 > purely
 > electromagnetic perspective, what would happen if the power
 > failed
 > unexpectedly?

Think of the E-field generated by the coil as a bubble of
alternate spacetime that is pulled into our own
spacetime.  A corresponding bubble of our spacetime is intruding
into the "other" spacetime as long as the coil works normally and
the bubble grows, exists, and shrinks slowly.  When power fails,
things "snap back".  Indications are that the corresponding
"bubble" is much larger, volumetrically, than the "bubble"
induced in our time-space continuum  (meaning that the "alternate
universe" is two or three times larger than our own??? you tell
me...)

 > (The file I have advises against letting
 > this happen!)  I
 > envision the power supply exploding from the induced
 > current.

That is certainly a strong liklihood, James.  But it gets
weirder.  Power fails regularly with the things, despite all
precautions.  This phenomenon is one of several anomalies
associated with devices like these.  Other anomalies include
capacitors that get colder the longer they run.

 > And if it *does* somehow alter local spacetime, have
 > you seen the
 > Star Trek: The Next Generation episode where Wesley is
 > hacking the warp
 > drive and traps his mother in a collapsing universe?  :-)
 > (And it just ran
 > again on Saturday, too...)

Yeah, that was a good one.  Hardly a "roof raiser", but a good
one.


 >
 > +You know your Allende!
 >
 > Well, if you're ever in Montgomery and see a group of
 > people apparently
 > laying their hands on thin air...


Watch it!  Al Blieleck might pop up!  Or Elvis.  Or Jimmy Hoffa.
Or me.

 > But seriously, 'Dr. Rinehart' said that the Experiment was
 > covered up not
 > because of the technology involved but because of the
 > embarassment of the
 > lives destroyed.

Sounds right.  Look at the "Operation Tiger" D-Day rehearsal.
750 men died in that fiasco and the military still won't admit
it happened.

 > So I guess the question becomes, does
 > Allende talk about
 > the Experiment because he's crazy, or is he crazy because
 > of the
 > Experiment?


Yes.

Hehehehehe.

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From: ncar!marob.masa.com!upaya!tbetz
Subject: Hoagland's Mars
Date: 3 Jan 91 19:34:06 GMT

From: Tom Betz <upaya![e-mail]>

| From: [e-mail] (John Finney)
|
| In a message of <Dec 26 21:02>, Paul Faeder (9:1010/0) writes:
|
|  > A 30 minute video program based on Hoagland's studies of the 'Mars Face'
|  >will be broadcast via the Weststar 4 satellite as part of the NASA Lewis
|  >(Cleveland) Educational Television Series. The program will be broadcast
|  >at 12 noon on January 6, 1991 and should be accessible to anyone with a
|  >satellite dish.
|
| I heard Friday that this got canceled by NASA with no explaination or future
| date for broadcast.

I heard Hoagland interviewed last night on 'For The People' (WWCR
7520 AM -- just above the 41 Meter band, I believe -- highly
recommended for Paranetters, BTW).  He says that Plan A (cancel
the program) has been dropped in favor of Plan B (discredit Hoagland).
The program is being re-edited under the control of the Planetary
Science group at NASA, including statements from NASA
planetary scientists explaining away Hoagland's claims, in such a
manner as to make Hoagland look a fool.

He says that his information comes from NASA insiders who are
POed as he is about it.
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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Lochner)
Subject: Hoagland broadcast
Date: 1 Jan 91 13:00:46 GMT

Re: Hoagland "Mars Face" broadcast...
 >
 > I heard Friday that this got canceled by NASA with no
 > explaination or future date for broadcast.  There
 > might be a problem since Weststar 4 is almost "dead"
 > (meaning almost out of manuvering fuel) and might not
 > be operational (with no fuel it can't stay on location
 > properly) at that time.  There is a big ruckus being
 > raised about the broadcast being stopped.

So what transponder was this to be on?  I can't find
any mention of this in any of my older sat/references.

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Mars Face
Date: 2 Jan 91 23:02:43 GMT

In a message of <30 Dec 90  09:52:02>, John Finney (1:362/701) writes:

 >I heard Friday that this got canceled by NASA with no explaination or
 >future date for broadcast.

 Thanks for the update!


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Hoagland's program
Date: 3 Jan 91 15:41:00 GMT

I would appreciate it if anyone able to tape the program
would send me a copy.  I will be happy to pay for it.

Thanks,

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Crop Circles
Date: 4 Jan 91 20:56:00 GMT

I got this from Science.  Thought you might enjoy it.

 * Forwarded from "Science Echo"
 * Originally from Maury Markowitz
 * Originally dated 12-30-90 11:26

>        So you're saying that the crop circle phenomenon is just a
>world-wide conspiracy of farmers having a few yucks on gullible city
>folk?...

  Not at all.  I'm saying that the crop circles in NORTH AMERICA are more
that likely just that though.  They are considerably more "low tech", and
much less common.  The last I saw was obviously a sprayed crop, you could
see the wilting on the plants.
  Now, I'm not too sure WHO is doing it in England these days.  It may be
that what started as a simple prank has turned into something else
entirely.  However, from the 3 that I've seen from North America, there
is a definite difference in both quality (they are very "poorly" made) and
construction (the North American ones typically result in a small amount
of destroyed crop).  There have yet to be any of the "classic" English
style cirlces with the radial patterns, nor are there any of the more
interesting shapes.
  I'll admit that it looks like there's a lot to be discovered in England.
I too find it hard to belive that the farmers would do it to this degree,
it's just too much work.  However, there are certain facts that can ONLY
be explained by using people as the motive force...

a)  The incidence of the circles has grown lineraly with the amount of
    reporting done on them by the press.  I'm sorry, but I am at a loss
    to imagine any natural force that could do this.

b)  There are no reported crop circles in England before 1972, as the
    group of physicists noted above litterally poured over arial surveys
    and could not find one example.  This too seems to rule out any possible
    natural force.

c)  The shapes of the "circles" has progressed from the original circles,
    to patterns of them, circles within circles, and finally, that
    wonderful shape on the Led Zepplin album cover.  This point, of them
    all, seems to rule out the natural explaination entirly.


Evidence FOR humans can be summed up either using the above, or by adding...


a)  The original crop circles ALWAYS intersected a "sprayer row", where
    the wheels of the tractors tending the fields leave two parallel lines
    in the crop.  This is the ONLY area where a person (or any other
    animal) can get into the field without leaving a trail.

b)  In the famous pattern where you see one large circle, surrounded
    by 4 small ones in a cross, you'll note that one of the 4 circles
    does NOT intersect a sprayer row.  This particular circle has a
    clearly visible line of footprints leading from one of the others!

c)  Last summer, a TV crew went out to the fields with enough IR equipment
    to make the CIA greedy.  After sitting and watching one particular
    field for a few days, they awoke one morning to find a circle!
    After clapping themselves on the back and cheering that they
    "finally caught one", they replayed the tapes to find people
    out in the field!  At that point, they quickly ran down to the
    circle and gave a host of reasons why "this one obviously isn't
    real" and such, and how they weren't fooled for a second.  Ya, right.


  What REALLY makes me mad is that no serious attempt has been made to
look into the events until just recently.  I've heard some of the most
boneheaded theories comming from otherwise respectible people.
  For example, consider the one meteorologist in England that remains
convinced that the patterns are made by small tornadoes.  He continually
chants about how windy weekends have more circles, but has absolutely no
way of explaining the chain of events from wind to circle.  The first time
I heard him on the radio, he was trying to tell us about how the wind
going over a hill makes a vortecies, and that makes the pattern.  However,
wind going over a hill makes a HORIZONTAL vortex, and he's at a loss to
explain how these chaotic winds suddenly make themselves vertical, and then
organize into a very precise tornado!
  When I last heard him, he was using examples of patterns that could
OBVIOUSLY NOT be winds as proof positive of his claims!  When anyone
attempts to point this out to him, he starts horrible ad homenem arguements
againced these people, right as they may be.  This last summer pretty
well shut him up though.
  This is just one example, I've heard microbursts, static electricity,
UFO's and a host of other off the wall theories.  My personal view at
this point is that there is finally a team at work that seems to know what
the hell they are doing, so I'll just wait it out.

                                                    Maury



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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: New Affiliates
Date: 5 Jan 91 02:32:00 GMT

I would like to welcome a couple of new affiliates to the
ParaNet family.

They are:

Clark Matthews
ParaNet PI(sm)
Jersey City, NJ
201-451-3063
Up after 1/5/91

John Burke
ParaNet TAU-CETI(sm)
Private System
Chicago, IL

Cheryl Mathison
ParaNet XI-BETA(sm)
San Leandro, CA
415-481-2806

Dan Toy
ParaNet ALPHA-LAMBDA(sm)
Philadelphia, PA
215-281-0810

On behalf of the group, WELCOME!  Please take a moment and
introduce yourselves to everyone.

Michael Corbin
Director

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From: cwns1.ins.cwru.edu!ak842
Subject: RE: Mars Face
Date: 5 Jan 91 06:17:50 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Douglas Dever)



John Finney commented on the Hogland's Mars which was canceled by NASA.
I'd just like to add to those comments....

First, though, the information which I have is from a radio transcript
from the Chuck Harter Radio Show, "For The People", On WWCR, 7520 kxz, short
wave, on the Sun Radio Network, Friday, December 14th, 1990.

I'd like to thank Robert Parish and the Cleveland Free-Net UFOlogy SIG for
making this information available.

Although the Hogland's Mars was originally scheduled to air on West 4, it was
later bumped to Space Net 1, Transponder 3.  The program had footage on
Cydonia and some structers which appeared to have been cause by some inteligent
form of life. NASA said that they cancled the program because it advertised
Richard Hogland's book.  In the script, Richard Hogland says something about
how he wrote an article on the same subject in his book.

If you want to find out more about 1) Why the show was canceled or 2)
request that the show be aired...
You can call Dr. Robert Brown at [phone].  Or (because things in
writting usually have more pull than voice requests) you can send a fax
to Dr. Bondurant at [phone].


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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 345

                           Tuesday, January 8th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                     Cooper
                                 Cooper, Part 2
                                 Cooper, Part 3
                                 Cooper, Part 4
                                 Cooper, Part 5
                                 Cooper, Part 6
                               Cooper, Conclusion
                                 Whistle. file 3
                                 From the Editor

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Cooper
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:31:00 GMT

To All;

As many of you know, UFO Magazine completed a story and investigation on Milton
Wm. Cooper in Vol. 5, No. 4 and 5.
Cooper, a very controversial figure in the UFO field, has been making claims
and pronouncments for the last several years. We spoke to many that know him,
and for you folks that are new here at ParaNet, Cooper made his debut right
here. At that time ( in 1988 ) he was "made" as a fraud by the former
Administrator Jim Speiser, and was removed from the system.

I have just received a copy of "NEW TIMES" NEXUS, a magazine that is published
in Australia. The issue is Volume 2 Issue 1 dated October 1990. In this
magazine is a story by Cooper with his "Operation Majority".  Now during the
UFO Magazine investigation, we found most of this to be fabricated or
information that Cooper plagerized. However it is a fact of life that not
everyone reads UFO, and Cooper is public in every area he can attain to. So I
am going to place the entire Two part story right here for all of ParaNet to
read.

One other thing, I am also going to include a couple of things that did not
reach publication, because of space, and also the fact that at the time we did
not wish to "crucify" Cooper. However, to paraphrase George Knapp, News
Director of KLAS TV in Las Vegas, "Cooper is like a cornered rat, desperate,
vicious and vile." He has "smeared, lied, threatened, and libled everyone that
has disagreed with him. With that, here is "Whistleblowers Part ONE.

  Who are the UFO whistleblowers? They come out
of relative obscurity and burst into the center
of ufological attention. Making incredible
claims of alien activity on earth and the
Government's deep but covert involvement.
Without exception, the whistleblowers of recent
times only furnish the most hazy evidence of
their claims, if that.

  Oftentimes they will also lay
claim to having worked with or
for the government, in high
enough positions to wield security
clearances and to have observed
the most unequivocal documentation.

  Because these individuals fail
to furnish proof for their startling claims,
and because many people have asked UFO
Magazine for a readout on their
credibility,  we are beginning a
series of investigative articles on
certain individuals who fall into
the  ''whistleblower'' category.
Normally,  UFO avoids focusing
on personalities, preferring to
concentrate on the phenomenon
itself.

   But these personalities force us
to make an exception.  Their
material has appeal and sensation
value.  But is it legitimate? Who
are the whistleblowers who are
telling the truth ?  Who are the
ruthless Pied Pipers forging a
trail of lies and deception ? Our
series begins with Milton  William
Cooper.


COOPER
In the last several years, few have
stirred the field of ufology like
Milton William Cooper. Cooper,
born May 6, 1943, is a balding
47-year-old man who has enthralled
thousands with lurid tales of
dangerous UFOs and secret govern-
ment treaties allowing the alien
menace to abduct and experiment on
unwilling human victims in exchange
for advanced alien technology.
  Raining threats and pronounce-
ments over the UFO field like a con-
tinuously firing shotgun, Cooper has
recently leveled charges of govern-
ment spookery against a number of
prominent ufologists in the field, in
many cases claiming to have seen
their names on a government recruit-
ment list back in 1972 and 1973
while he was purportedly serving in
Naval Intelligence in CINCPACFLT
(Commander-in Chief, Pacific Fleet).
  Not above accusing former friends
and associates, Cooper has charged
various ufologists with illegal acts,
moral turpitude and of purveying
disinformation that permeates the
field. Now with an agent to book
speaking engagements at any and
every UFO event possible, Cooper is
very fond of stating to his audiences,
''Don't take my word for it, go out
and check the information yourself.''
UFO MagaLine has, and the follow-
ing is the result of our investigation.

Paranet debut

 Who is M. Wm. "Bill" Cooper,
and where did he come from?
Cooper's first public appearance
resulted when he uploaded a text on
ParaNet, the international computer
data service. The file alleges a fan-
tastic UFO sighting while Cooper
was a crew member of the U.S.S.
TIRU, a United States Naval sub-
marine, in 1966. According to
Cooper, the sighting took place while
he was on duty as port lookout.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Cooper, Part 2
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:32:00 GMT

<<Continued from previous message>>

Whistleblowers ONE, Vol. 5 No. 4 UFO Magazine by Don Ecker
All rights reserved.

Claiming that the sub's skipper im-
mediately classified the incident,
Cooper reported that when the sub-
marine reached port, the witnesses
were debriefed by Naval Security.
  During this time frame of
Cooper's initial appearance on the
scene, John O. Lear, son of William
''Bill'' Lear of Lear Jet fame, had
also been undergoing ParaNet
scrutiny as a result of the release of
his hypothesis concerning an alien
threat. Lear's document, released in
December of 1987, had created quite
an uproar in its own right. Lear
alleged that the U.S. government had
entered into a relationship with a
possible ET intelligence, and in ex-
change for super technology gave
carte blanche to the ETs to conduct
experiments and abductions on un-
suspecting human beings.
  Lear also claimed that the ETs,
with our government's knowledge,
were mutilating domestic animals
such as cattle and sheep, and in some
cases even human victims. Because
much of Lear's information was
hypothesis, and little checkable infor-
mation was forthcoming, many
ParaNet members and others in the
UFO community were asking very
hard questions. In a number of in-
stances, Lear's credibility was
attacked.


  When he again visited the ParaNet
system, Cooper allied himself with
Lear, publicizing the claim that
because of releasing his UFO infor-
mation, he had just been terminated
from his $75,000 a year job as the
executive director of a commercial
business school.
  In October of 1988, Cooper con-
tacted this writer, requesting a favor.
Telling me at that time that "this is
dangerous if anyone finds out," he
asked me to aecept the electronic
transfer of a file into my computer,
to be sent to Stanton Friedman with
the information of who wanted
Friedman to see it. The document in-
cluded information about purported
government UFO involvement-
under the terms MAJI, MJ-1, THE
BlUE TEAM, GRUDGE,
etc.-and, according to Cooper,
various other alleged secret govern-
ment projects dealing with the alien
presence.  I agreed to send the infor-
mation to Friedman. (I never heard
anymore about it until later, when
Cooper was barred from ParaNet
because of' claims of feeding false
and fraudulent information.)
   I  basically forgot about the file to
Friedman until Cooper released ad-
ditional files with the claim that they
were the final release. But subsequently
Cooper was to release several "final"
releases.


  In one, he claimed,
"MJ-12 is the name of the secret
control group .  .  . The Jason Society
[was set up] to sift through all the
evidence, technology, lies and decep-
tion . . ." But later, in another file,
he stated,  ''MJ-12 cannot be used as a
name for the control group as it
would cause confusion in meaning,
i.e., is it referring to MJ-12 the per-
son or MJ-12 the group... ?'' (Italics
added) By this time, I and others
were becoming confused with the
various ''final releases.''

Project 'Luna'

  In another public release, Cooper
claimed that "Project Luna" was an
alien base on the far side of the
moon which had been observed by
various astronauts, but changed the
story in one more "Final release,"
stating that it was the code name for
an underground base near Dulce,
New Mexico.
  In Cooper's later releases are a
number of names that were never
mentioned in earlier releases, names
such as JOSHUA and O.H. KRLL
or KRLLL, or CRLL, CRLLL, or
even KRILL. When it comes to
answering whether these claims will
bear up under serious scrutiny, these
names prove to be very important, as
later information in this article will
show.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Cooper, Part 3
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:32:00 GMT

<<< Continued from previous message >>>

UFO Magazine Vol. 5 No. 4 by Don Ecker
All rights reserved.

Cooper later claimed that the
reason the documents were ''dif-
ferent" was because he wanted to
throw the government off his trail
until someone would verify that what
he said was the truth. He stressed
that "It does not matter who is right
and who is wrong or if a project
name is in the wrong place.  .  . we
must all band together and expose it
now."
  As time progressed, Cooper
severed all ties with other researchers
in the UFO field. At one time a very
close confidant of John Lear,
Cooper has turned on Lear and now
accuses him of being an agent of the
Central Intelligence Agency. At one
time Lear was in fact employed as a
pilot with Continental Air, a CIA
contract airline, and claims a number
of anonymous sources for his own
data, facts which may lend suspicion
to his background and information.
But Lear denies any current alliance
with the agency and no one has been
able to prove otherwise.

  Starred on 'Happening'

Cooper now operates an elec-
tronic bulletin board service, the
Citizen's Agency for Joint In-
telligence (CAJI). In his last two
electronic newsletters, Cooper has
leveled charges against numerous
people in the UFO community.
When anyone challenges him, he
will once more blast the questioner
as an ''agent of the secret govern-
ment."

 Cooper has been a star guest on
the ''Billy Goodman Happening,'' a
recently-revived radio show broadcast
on KVEG-AM in Las Vegas.
Another alleged former government
employee, physicist Robert ''Bob''
Lazar, appeared on the Goodman
radio show. Initially Cooper was
lavish in his praise of Lazar's will-
ingness to come forward to expose
the cosmic secret. Now, like Lear,
Lazar is suffering Cooper's allega-
tions of being a purveyor of in-
telligence disinformation.

 In a previous edition of his
newsletter, which was released dur-
ing the first half of April, Cooper
charged that Lazar, the "self
claimed physicist who worked on
saucers, was arrested today for par-
ticipation in one of Las Vegas' pro-
stitution rings. He was also accused
or running a drug lab which
manufactures methamphetamine.''
When Lear heard about these allega-
tions against Lazar, he said, "It's
all fabrication and fantasy. "

  And at that time, it was. There is
record of police interest in Lazar
during that time-Lazar had admit-
ted on television that he had set up
software for a bordello, and shortly
thereafter members of the Las Vegas
vice squad, bearing a warrant,
searched his premises. The bordello
was subsequently closed by police,
but Lazar wasn't formally arrested
and charged until June 4. A plea
negotiation ensued, and Lazar ended
up pleading guilty to one count of
felony pandering. But at press time,
no other charges had been filed, and
no suspicion of drug activity has
ever been officially or unofficially
voiced.

 With respect to all of these allega-
tions against Lazar, Cooper claims
to have received the information from
John Lear, as well as from two additonal
UFO buffs, Cory Testa and Geoff Graff.



Testa, when
told of Cooper's statements, was
shocked at the allegation that Lear
had claimed Lazar was facing drug
violations. Testa states, "I still
believe that he (Lazar) is real and
[that] John Lear never said anything
like that.'' Testa later called back
and said that he had talked to
Cooper, and that Cooper had
denied naming him as having said
anything about Lazar. The
paragraph from the CAJI newsletter
was read to him four times and he
responded sadly, ''You know, I am
just a guy who is really interested in
UFOs, and I never wanted to get in-
volved in anything like this. Why
would Bill say I said something like
that?" For his part, Graff
vehemently denies ever making any
statements of this nature to Cooper.

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Subject: Cooper, Part 4
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:33:00 GMT

<<<<Continued from previous message >>>>

More charges

  Additional charges in Cooper's


newsletter included naming Lear and
Lazar as members of a "ring" of
government agents that ''include the
greats of ufology." Cooper also
named Bruce Maccabee, William
Moore, Jaime Shandera, Stanton
Friedman, and made similar allega-
tions about others left unnamed at
that time. With that document,
Cooper left the impression that the
others would include whomever
questioned his sources, information
or allegations.
  Cooper also claimed that Stayce
Borland, a woman who at one time
led a Las Vegas contactee group,
was murdered after she had spon-
sored a talk with Budd Hopkins and
had received a document from a
man who reportedly worked at
"Dreamland," site of high-tech air-
craft testing and alleged alien activity
at Nellis Air Force Base.
  Also alleged in Cooper's CAJI
newsletter was that when still active-
duty Air Force NCO John Grace
took over Borland's contactee
group, and when the police in-
vestigation into her murder was
started, the list of the contactee
group members and the sign-in sheet
from Hopkins talk were missing.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Cooper, Part 5
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:33:00 GMT

<<<<<Continued from previous messag>>>>>

File 4 Whistleblowers Part ONE

UFO Magazine Vol 5 No 4 by Don Ecker

All rights reserved.

cont. from last.

  These were serious inferences, if
true, so UFO immediately contacted
George Knapp of KLAS-TV in Las
Vegas. Knapp and his associates had
looked into the Borland murder in
the course of producing the KLAS-
TV documentary, ''UFOs: The Best
Evidence.'' According to Knapp,
Hopkins was in Las Vegas weeks
after Borland and her brother were
found dead. Borland's boyfriend
was the initial suspect, but was
quickly cleared by the Las Vegas
Police. The search then centered on
a 24-year old suspect, William Mit-
chell Smith, also known as William
"Bo" Stevens. No UFO involve-
ment at all was discovered by police.

Knapp Letter

  In a now-public letter to Michael
Corbin, director of ParaNet, Knapp
states, "Bill Cooper wouldn't know
the truth if it bit him on the ass..."
Then, in reference to Cooper's
allegation of a ufological spy ring,
Knapp wrote, ". . . a secret
organization is highly unlikely.
Moore (Bill) and Lear can't stand
each other.
  "Moore and Friedman have tried
to contact Lazar through me on
several occasions. . . Some of the


individuals have provided me with
proof of Cooper's dishonesty, proof
that will be made public in the near
future.''
  Knapp was true to his word. In
part five of his second UFO special
recently aired by KLAS, Knapp
pointed out one such occurrence
where serious questions about
Cooper's information were raised.
According to Cooper, in his pur-
ported viewing of a top-secret
government document in 1972-1973,
he saw information about O.H.
Krill, which according to Cooper
stood for ''Original Hostage Krill.''
  The problem with this particular
claim by Cooper, however, comes
from the two people involved in the
O.H. Krill document. The origin of
the controversial document has been
known for some time in the UFO
field. Conceived by UFO researcher
John Grace, who heads the Nevada
Aerial Research organization and
who uses the pseudonym ''Val
Valerian," the title was chosen as an
inside joke, according to both Lear
and Grace. Lear told UFO that he
heard Cooper tell a television inter-
viewer that he (Cooper) had seen the
O.H. Krill document back in the
early '70s. That made Lear turn
"beet red," he said. He motioned
for Cooper to speak to him private-
ly.
  Lear then informed Cooper,


 ''Bill, O.H. Krill is a joke! John
 Grace and I used 'Krill' from Bob
 Emenegger's special, 'UFOs: It Has
 Begun,' because of a woman
 who allegedly channeled an entity
 named CRYLLL. Grace just pulled
 the 0. H. out of thin air!" Accord-
 ing to Lear, Cooper flatly disagreed,
 saying, "No, I saw it in 1972." Lear
said, ''I dropped it then. I could see
that there was no talking to him. I
then began to wonder just how
much of Bill Cooper was real."

 Sources questioned

   Cooper alleges that Lear is the
shadowy Condor from William
Moore's anonymous intelligence
''aviary.'' Cooper happened to tell
this to Testa, who was then an
associate of Lear's. "Everyone I
was associated with-Cooper
claimed that they were government
agents.''
  Moore's apparent association with
unnamed government agents has
aIso brought him under fire by
many in the UFO community. His
admitted participation in a disinfor-
mation scheme and claims of ongo-
ing associations with these agents
have incited a good many suspi-
cions, which, in Cooper's case, have
mushroomed nto full-blown allega-
tions. When asked about Cooper's
claim that Condor is actually Lear,
Moore vehemently denied it.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Cooper, Part 6
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:34:00 GMT

<<<<<<Continued from previous message >>>>>>

Whistleblowers Part ONE  Last part of Part ONE

UFO Magazine Vol 5 No 4 by Don Ecker

All rights reserved.


  Moore was advised that in the
CAJI newsletter, Cooper made the
claim that the tape of Condor was
placed in voice analysis, and that he
had unscrambled it, proving that
Lear was Condor. Moore laughed at
that and stated, "There is nothing
to undo, nothing to unscramble!
Jaime and I masked Condor's voice
through a vocoder.
  "The vocoder is a device that
runs the sound source through a
mike, then to a sound source send-
ing it to a voice envelope to a
vocoder. Nothing of the human
qualities are left to unscramble.''
  When asked about the additional
allegations of his being identified as
a government operative, Moore
stated, "It is absolutely false. You
know, I am getting tired of all these
accusations. Cooper is always wrap-
ping himself up in the flag and Con-
stitution .  .  . whatever happened to
the basic right of being innocent un-
til proven guilty?
  ''I have never spoken to Cooper
or had as much as a single cor-
respondence with him,'' he added,
saying he had been given a copy of
the CAJI newsletter, had just read
it, and was amazed at the contents.
  Moore's name, of course, was
supposedly on that list of people to
be recruited as government agents,
which Cooper said he viewed in
1972 and which included the names
of Stanton Friedman, John Lear
and Bruce Maccabee. He also
claimed that Bob Swan, apparently
a former Navy buddy, was also in-
formed of this back in 1972. When
questioned by mutilation researcher
Linda Howe and former reporter
Tony Pelham, among others, Swan
stated for the record that the only
thing he remembered was
"something to do with UFOs "
  It would appear that Moore
evidences few reasons to have
aroused government interest 18
Years ago. He did not really come
into the UFO scene with any great
Splash until the publication of The
Roswell Incident, in l979.  Moore
said that in l972 he was employed
as a teacher by the Herman Com-
munity Schools, Independent
District 264, in Herman, MN  where
he taught from fall of 1969 until
spring of 1979. Along with teaching,
Moore was active in the teachers
union, number 32 Local. It would
appear that back then he would have
been a very unlikely candidate for
government recruitment to the
intelligence services.

Lazar's comments

  There is still much that is
unknown about Bob Lazar. But even with
his relatively short duration in the
UFO limelight, Lazar is burned out with
the field. Under the most intense scrutiny
by the UFO community, and now facing
a criminal charge, he made his
UFO claims public with the express goal of
stopping the harrassment he says
he's undergone. Cooper's allegations
of drug involvement amount to one
more good reason for his revulsion
against the UFO field.

  When he spoke to UFO, he ex-
plained his research lab and various
scientific equipment in it. "The
'speed lab' (the term used in the
CAJI newsletter) might be explained
by my work with high-tech jet
cars," he stated. "Cooper is an in-
telligent man, and the two times I've
seen him  .  .  . well I hate to call
someone a psychopath, but he really
acts crazy. He seems to believe a lot
of what he says to the point he will
fight about it and get violent."
Lazar was referring to physical
violence, and added, "On the only
two occasions I have seen him-and
there was liquor involved, not beer
or anythrng, but liquor-he
did get violent. I walked in [to
Lear's house] with my sister-in-law .
 after a brief time talking to
Cooper, he got up, screaming and
throwing stuff around. He was a
lunatic.''
  Another of Cooper's allegations is
that Lear, once in the company of
Cooper and several others, called
Lazar up and asked him to send a
hooker over to Lear's home. Lazar
counters, "That's absurd, and why
it's absurd is that my involvement
with the bordello was in January of
1990. It mainly involved some elec-
tronic work and setting up software.

I saw Cooper long before that, and
in either case I would not be the guy
anyone called [for a prostitute]. I
had no connections to get anyone
[to perform illicit acts]. I deny his
whole allegation.'' (The criminal
case pending against Lazar will be
covered in the next issue of UFO.)
  ''Everyone seems to have a Bill
Cooper story, and mine is a paper I
wrote in Los Alamos concerning
Project Excalibur," Lazar offered,
referring to an earth-penetrating,
nuclear-tipped missile designed to
destroy underground facilities.
  "I wrote that [paper] in 1988. I
had a witness there while I typed
that word for word. (Gene Huff)
I printed it out;
Lear was hot on the trail looking
for connections, and that filled
everything in for [Lear]. He essen-
tially had all the [Project Excalibur]
information that was to be had.


  "John then gave a copy to Bill
Cooper, and I heard Cooper reading
it verbatim, word for word, at the
(1989) MUFON convention. He
claimed to have seen it in the
mid-'70s. I then heard him on the
Billy Goodman show. I called him;
he recognized the voice. He said he
knew who I was. I then asked him,
'Bill, that Excalibur missile thing,
did you get that at John Lear's or
did you read that in the'70's?'
  ''I gave him an out if he had
forgotten. He said no, 'I read that
word for word in 1973.' I said okay
and thanks. That was my first con-
firmation that this guy was a com-
plete liar.''
  According to Lazar, the Excalibur
document was then only a year old,
while Cooper was claiming to have
seen it in 1973 - 16 years before.

END OF WHISTLEBLOWERS PART ONE

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Cooper, Conclusion
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:34:00 GMT

<<<<<<<Conclusion>>>>>>>

STORY SIDEBAR FOLLOWS WITH NEXT MESSAGE.

WHISTLEBLOWERS PART ONE  SIDEBAR.



  In his CAJI newsletter, Cooper
stated that "No one likes to be a
fool, but most ufologists are ex-
actly that. I keep saying to do
research, to investigate, but no
one does it. They just sit around
and call each other names.'' This
reporter, representing UFO
Magazine, attempted to contact
Cooper to verify his claims by
leaving a message on his com-
puter service.
  Cooper read the message and
called about an hour later. When
I answered the phone, Cooper
growled, "What the hell do you
want!?" When I attempted to ex-
plain that I was doing a story for
UFO and wanted to verify his
claims, he shot back, "What are
you writing for your f***in'
trashzine?" I then said that I had
received a copy of the CAJI
newsletter and he replied, ''I
would be very careful if I was
you. That newsletter is
copyrighted.''

   Cooper then stated, "I don't
trust you or anyone you are
associated with. " The only
response I was able to get con-
cerned the allegation that Bob
Lazar ran a speed lab. "John
Lear told me that out of his own
mouth .  .  . I got the information
from a man named Cory and
eoff who are good friends of
John Lear. "

  Just at that moment the phone
rang with the call waiting feature,
and Cooper refused to hold 'til I
could find out who was calling.
He refused to speak any further
and hung up. This seems out of
character for a person who claims
that his information is legitimate.
  As UFO Magazine was going
to press, and as we expected,
Cooper's newest newsletter at-
tacked this writer and the
magazine. Cooper now claims
that Cory Testa was intimidated
by UFO regarding the claims that
Bob Lazar is involved with drugs,
and that UFO or myself or both
are a part of Cooper's paranoiac
''secret government.''
  The absurdity of this speaks
for itself. But for the record,
UFO will attempt to get Testa's
version of this. Researching and
accurately reporting facts are not
Cooper's strong  suit.-D.E.

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Whistle. file 3
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:04:00 GMT

This information was not included into the Cooper story, and as
promised, I will now relay it.

Cooper, during his initial exposure in the public, was on the Billy
Goodman Happening over a year ago. One of the people that heard
Cooper was a well known Hollywood entertainment figure, Michael
Callan. Callan was fascinated by the information that Cooper was
giving, and ended up contacting Cooper. Callan, and a close friend
of his, Doug Deane, decided that they would use their entertainment
contacts, and professionally "market" Cooper. Callan and Deane set
up a business called "Need to Know Productions", and sunk money
into setting up Cooper on the "lecture tour".

Callan and Deane videoed Coopers lectures, and gave him the benefit
of their combined knowledge of Hollywood to go out and sell
himself. Setting up Cooper at lectures, and finding an agent for
him at "Spotlight Enterprises", Callan and Deane made a heavy
investiment. Cooper signed a contract with Deane and Callan, and
when he saw how much money he "could" be making, tried to squeeze
Callan and Deane out of their contract. Callan had had suspicions
earlier when Cooper spoke to him about trying to squeeze Stan
Barrington (business manager) out, but then Cooper found out that
it would cost him $15,000. Barrington stayed, but one night, Cooper
indulging in his childish temper tantrums, and drinking heavily,
made 10 ( thats TEN ) phone calls to both Callan and Deane,
threatening them with public ruin, death, property damage, and
slander if they did not give him the master copies of the tapes
that they had videoed for him. Both men (Callan and Deane) ended up
phoning the police, and they had Cooper placed on file.  Later,
Cooper went to Deanes home, was witnessed by Deanes gardner, and
tried to force his way into Deanes house. Later, when Deane
returned home, found all the tires on his car slashed.  It is
interesting to note, that one of Coopers threats to Deane mentioned
his car tires. The police investigated, but it ended up that no
charges were filed.

Prior to the above events, one of Coopers invitations to speak were
from a German UFO groups. Cooper was invited by Michael Hesseman,
a German "New Age UFOlogists" to appear in Germany.  Cooper had
accepted, and demanded 5000 Duetch Marks ( $3000 US ) plus his
plane ticket, room, board, and the other things that Hesseman had
promised.  Hesseman sent Cooper all of the above, but because of a
German Postal Strike, word of the event was late in getting out in
Europe. Cooper had planned, according to Hesseman, in making money
in "workshops" while the UFO event was going on, and because the
event would not be so well attended, became upset. Hesseman offered
to rescedual the event, or set it up later, but Cooper refused, and
then told Hesseman that if he wanted him to come, he needed another
5000 Duetch marks, or he refused. Hesseman did not have the money,
so Cooper informed Hesseman that he would not fly over, and then
refused to refund Hessemans cash.


cont. next file, from UFO Magazine Co-Publisher,

Ms. Vicki Cooper.

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: From the Editor
Date: 6 Jan 91 03:06:00 GMT

And UFO MAGAZINE CO-Publisher says. . . .


  There you have it. Don Ecker's ar-
ticle, documentary reports researched
and produced by George Knapp of
KLAS-TV and what Cooper has
published in his CAJI newsletter are
part of a growing information base
which should demonstrate why we
have chosen not to give space to the
often false and specious claims that
Cooper purveys.

  It is not our intention to single out
individuals and ''pick on'' them; it's
simply very important that the truth
or the closest thing to it be establish-
ed. A close reading of our
whistleblowers series, as it pro-
gresses, will demonstrate that there
are people in this field who have set
themselves up for examination and
whose claims of truth are, at best,
cleverly-mouthed chunks of pro-
paganda; some if not most will be
found wanting. Milton William
Cooper has threatened, lied about
and attacked a number of people in
the UFO field (I'm included, as is
Don Ecker). Along with slander and
lying, he has a clear history of con-
tradicting himself, backtracking when
caught in those contradictions and
then attempting to patch up his story
with a turnaround position based on
sudden new claims that, true to style,
cannot be checked out.

  A Bill Cooper could not maintain
a foothold in any other field. Such a
bullying personality would
have been "run out of town" long
ago. But the fact that this man and
others like him still can command
some audience and are seen as hav-
ing some veracity and authority
denotes a sore lack of discrimination
on the part of many in the UFO
arena, if not outright foolishness.

  But it should be likewise emphasiz-
ed that this syndrome also testifies to
our collective frustration with the lies
and secret machinations of some
powerful persons in the U.S. govern-
ment, cultivating many people's will-
ingness to listen and 'follow just
about anyone who purports to be
defending the Constitution and who
vocally demands accountability from
the very government officials in
whom we should be able to place our
trust.

   It's so very important: Dedication
to the absolute truth, to
the finer points of democracy, when
exercised without caution and
discernment, plays right into the
hands of those who would short-
circuit those very precious qualities
we hold dear. "Users" of all political
persuasions will exploit the emotional
fervor of the crowd to further their
own selfish and inhumane ends.
(Some names to remember: Adolf
Hitler, Joseph Goebbels, Joseph
Stalin, Joe McCarthy.)

  It's imperative that
we - and I include everyone who
shares the vision of UFO Mag-
azine-short-circuit such per-
niciousness at its very core, striking
at the heart of demagoguery with
persistent courage and honesty.
  Only personal commitment to
humane and truthful ideals, and the
willingness to expose the truth, can
successfully overcome The Big Lie.
UFO Magazine honors just such a
commitment. -  Vicki Cooper



and now Don Ecker's sidebar.

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 367

                           Monday, February 18th 1991

Today's Topics:

                           Any significant polls done?
                              Update on Gulf Breeze
                             Re: GOD IS ET AND WE'RE
                                   Re: (NONE)
                            Desert Shield Strangeness
                      RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA
                                 Ideas to Ponder
                                 STEALTH ARTICLE
                                   Nostradamus
                               Saucers & Scientist
                                 Lazar Part Two
                                 Lazar Part III
                                  Lazar Part IV

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Plutowski)
Subject: Any significant polls done?
Date: 14 Feb 91 20:06:37 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Mark Plutowski)

I would be interested if any studies have been performed,
preferably by an institutionalized polling organization such
as Gallup or Harris, asking the following questions of the general
population:

    Have you personally read  or seen accounts of UFO sightings reported in
    your local newpaper or television news?

    Have you ever met someone who relayed first hand experiences
    of what would be commonly referred to as a UFO contact?

    Do you know personally someone who has had first-hand experience
    of a UFO contact?

    Have you ever had what you believed to be or which could be
    objectively classified to be a UFO contact?


Of the group that answer 'yes' to the latter, I would like to see a breakdown
according to whether they shared this experience with someone else, the
level of the sighting (1st, 2nd, or 3rd kind, recognition of mechanistic
details of sighted craft, physical after-effects incurred by the witness, etc.)

Also, has there been a similar study with respect to cattle mutilations?
That is, have you seen reports of such happenings by local press, have you
had conversation with persons who claim to have first-hand experiences of such,
do you or have you ever known such an individual personally, have you ever seen
such a mutilated animal first-hand, etc.

Aside:
Although our readership is certainly self-selecting, and therefore not
necessarily a good cross-section of the general population, it may be of
interest to perform such a poll over our readership.  If I knew how to
automate such a poll I would offer to do it myself, but alas, I expect that
this would require some expert knowledge of automatically tabulating
e-mail replies, something I could not do without excessive effort.
Also, I expect that the actual wording of the questions would require
care -- as would the statistical interpretation (significance, error bounds.)

Thank you in advance,

-=-=
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Update on Gulf Breeze
Date: 15 Feb 91 05:40:00 GMT

John,

Anymore material or information coming from Carol and Rex?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: GOD IS ET AND WE'RE
Date: 1 Feb 91 18:05:08 GMT

I won't close my mind to change, but at this point in time I have made some
decisions which to me are rational. No problems on this end adjusting
attitudes and truths when evidence shows there should be change.
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: (NONE)
Date: 1 Feb 91 18:22:18 GMT

The point about the dates and predictions is that in the last 30 years I
have seen numerous "end of the world" dates or predictions come and go. At
this point in time I may be anavailable to ever see what happens in 2011 due
to biological extinction of this one unit. I have a vague memory of a psychic
who predicted the end of the world on a specific date, and she died on that
date. I'd say that was accurate in light of her own world.

Lets not exclude the possibility that 4000 years ago, people may have only
lived to an age of 29 if they were fortunate, but they still had intellectual
capabilities equal to ours. I also agree with you that flaming will do
nothing, my intentions are exchange of information not criticism of you
personally.

There are many really big question marks as you say, that's why we continue
to observe and study. One problem I have with some of the questions is that
are they really mysterys, or contrived to sell books? Because a rock
formation on the moon looks like Mickey Mouse, does that mean some cosmic
event created it or some other being with precognition knew that Walt would
draw it, or possible was Walt mind controlled into following psychic
messages. (This may be getting abit extreme but hang on please) Or could it
mean that since we know what MM looks like, we see the shape out of millions
of other shapes, and recognize it as something modern. The golden jet in a
tomb could be a stylized bird just as well as an F-15 with landing gear. My
simple point is that we create many of these mysterys in our minds, because
of our human quality (only human) ability to reflect. Yes, even after this
thought there are still some big question marks.
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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Desert Shield Strangeness
Date: 15 Feb 91 11:24:31 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

Some rather odd things going on in Operation Desert Storm:

(1) Has anyone noticed that in most of the 'Nintendo' movies they are
    showing of smart bombs taking out Iraqi targets there is no
    indication at all of any camera motion?  You can see things moving
    on the ground, you can see the bomb streak in from out-of-frame,
    you can see the smoke rising from the wreckage--but the camera
    never moves.  Surely they're not using hovering Harriers for
    bomb-damage assessment!  Perhaps ducted-fan drones?  I had read
    years ago that we were building these for aerial reconnaissance,
    and that the Israelis were using them over Lebanon. Maybe we're
    using them over Baghdad.

(2) On the first night of the bombing the Iraqis were complaining that
    the American aircraft were flying too high to be reachable by Iraqi
    groundfire.  The CNN news crew reported that they could hear the
    bombs falling, but they neither saw nor heard the planes that were
    dropping them.  Nevertheless, the bombs were being targeted with
    great precision, not just dumped out the bottom of a B-52.  Could
    the U.S. be using something other than standard aircraft to drop
    this stuff?  Perhaps some kind of high-altitude stationary platform?

(3) 'At least one of the Stealth pilots who met with Mr. Cheney today
    complained that his fighter appeared to be cursed.  The pilot, Maj.
    Lee Guston, said his fighter had been nicknamed Christine, for the
    killer car of Stephen King horror-novel fame.'  ('To Saddam Hussein,
    With Ill Wishes', New York Times, 11 Feb 91).  Bob Oechsler says the
    B-2's engines came from outer space.  Sounds like some parts of the
    F-117A came from the Twilight Zone ...




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Subject: RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA
Date: 15 Feb 91 23:25:45 GMT

From: Mike Dobbs <[e-mail]>


I have finally gotten a confirmed date for this show from ABC.  The had
it tenatively scheduled a couple of times but had to bump it because
of war coverage. 'The Best Kept Secrets in America' will not be a
series, contrary to what I had heard earlier.  Amoung other things,
the show will cover Area 51 and Gulf Breeze.  The film crew
actually got some footage of a UFO in Gulf Breeze on commercial
equipment which will be part of the show.

I talked to the producers of the show (Ohlmeyer Communications) and
ABC who both gave me the broadcast time below.

                Monday, Feb 25 at 8:00pm EST/PST on ABC.

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: Ideas to Ponder
Date: 14 Feb 91 21:03:01 GMT

Mike, did you notice that almost all on the board of NICAP were ex
military. It makes a person wonder??? It seems that Fowler hit the
nail on the head.   ---Jim---
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From: [e-mail] (Boyd Naron)
Subject: STEALTH ARTICLE
Date: 14 Feb 91 06:12:00 GMT


                        Stealth Article In 1989
                      And Some Other Interesting
                             Observations

                                  By
                             Boyd M. Naron
                           February 13, 1991


January 16, 1991; The U.S. Military started the most comprehensive and
thorough bombing campaign ever seen in modern history.  Not since the
Vietnam war has such devastation been reigned on a people or country.

One of the supposedly new weapons being used in the destruction of Iraq
is the F-117A Stealth Fighter.  The unconventional design of the craft
is a surprise to many, however, had one subscribed to _Popular_
_Mechanics_ in 1989, the January issue of that magazine would have
provided one with just about everything one would ever need to know
about the craft.  The article:  "Our Most Secret Fighter", by Nick
Nichols.

In reviewing the article, I found some interesting tidbits which I
wanted to share with you.  Although, this is not an article about how
the U.S. Government used Alien technology in it's stealth aircraft,
there were some paragraphs within the article that made my eye browse
raise slightly.  Since I'm very poor at paraphrasing, let me quote the
pertinent sections.

In discussing extraordinary efforts taken in maintaining a shroud of
secrecy over the Stealth project, the article states:

    "This airtight veil of secrecy came very close to being lifted on
    October 4, 1988, as Senator Chic Hecht of Nevada prepared for an
    afternoon media briefing in which he planned to release certain
    technical details [of the craft] along with an illustration of the
    heretofore ethereal bird.  The morning edition of 'The Washington
    Times' scooped the Republican lawmaker by publishing contents of a
    Pentagon-generated draft press release.  For reasons which remain
    unclear, a chagrined Hecht was collared by the Pentagon at the last
    minute and firmly advised to cancel his news conference.  Hecht
    complied, and the Stealth Fighter slipped back into the murky
    depths of clandestine Special Access, or 'black,' programs."

Interesting, if you consider what has been published in recent years
about a so-called "Secret Government" that maintains a veil of secrecy
over the UFO phenomenon.  Many documents has surfaced that talk about
how the Government "FIRMLY" advised other citizens into maintaining
silence.  Proof here that it happens as evidenced by the above.

Further in the article it states:

    "... once a black program", [the stealth program in this case] "has
    been defrocked, the military has to start answering a lot of
    uncomfortable questions about cost and performance"

I could see it now.  If the U.S. Government did in fact recover an alien
space vehicle back in 1947 and then blanket the event in secrecy in an
attempt to possibly duplicate some of the alien technology, can you
imagine the kinds of questions that would be raised?  Is it any wonder
that if this is true, the military would do ANYTHING to maintain that
secrecy!  I mean 44 years of cash outlay, in an attempt to benefit from
the alien space craft, is a lot of bucks!  I certainly would not want to
be the one forced to explain where 44 years of expenditures went!
Especially since that money NEVER showed up on the federal budget as an
"LINE ITEM" ("Alien Technology Research"; does this sound familiar?)

Now, I'm not one to push a single side of an issue here.  Let me stir
this up a little more.  The article goes on to say:

    "Some sources have said that a wing of F-117As is already
    operational in a high-security section of Nellis Air Force Base
    near Tonapah, Nevada and that one of the Stealth Fighters crashed
    in the California desert about two years ago" [that would make it
    1987!] "while on a training mission.  This appears to be true.
    After the crash, an incredible security blanket was placed on the
    whole incident.  No media were allowed anywhere near the crash site
    and few details were given other than there had, in fact been a
    crash."

Ok, stay with me on this one; If you wanted, in the worst possible way,
to maintain secrecy on this project, what would you do?  I wonder if it
might be advantageous to spread the rumor of flying saucers and U.S.
military involvement in duplicating alien technology.  Remember, not all
of society today are as open to alternative ideas as, hopefully, we are.
 So what do you think society would say?  I can hear it now; "Honey,
come listen to this loony talkin' about UFOs and Martians and stuff!
Ain't that just the craziest thing you ever did hear?" I suspect that
society in general would then brush off the Nevada incident as nothing
more than a bunch of fantasy concocted by less than desirable citizens.
The Government maintains secrecy on the project at the expense of a few
reputations!

Now, I don't necessarily agree that this is what happened; I'm just
passing this one on as a "what if" type of scenario.

Finally, According to that article:

   "Technicians at Wright Patterson AFB are said to have developed the
   aircraft's reinforced carbon-fiber skin."

I have to tell you, Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio is without a
doubt the most active military installation, with the exception of
Nellis, in the world!  Imagine, being the home of "Project Blue Book",
the home of (as some say) a downed alien space craft, and now this base
just happens to be where an extraordinary development in aircraft metals
is designed!  The coincidence is uncanny!

Enough said.  I hope that my observations have peaked your interest and
causes you to look for tidbits similar to this.  Who knows if more
tidbits are put together, one day we may have a complete picture (or at
least one that has shape and can be recognizable.)

Enjoy and "Keep Looking Up!"

Boyd M. Naron

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Nostradamus
Date: 17 Feb 91 06:54:49 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

NBC is going to air some sort of program about Nostradamus on Wednesday,
February 20, at 9:00 PM EST.  I don't know anything about it other than
that.


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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Saucers & Scientist
Date: 17 Feb 91 20:06:00 GMT

In "UFO Magazine" Vol. 5 No. 6, "The Whistleblowers Part III
ran. This was titled "The Saucers and the Scientist". It
delt with Robert "Bob" Lazar, and unless you have been in
Saudi Arabia for the last year, Lazar is a young man who
claims to be a physicist-scientist who worked at one of the
most secret installations in this or any other SOLAR SYSTEM.
Site S-4 located in the outback at Nellis Air Force Base
outside of Las Vegas, Nevada.

ParaNet has looked into the Lazar story before, and many
questions were raised about this young man, some that were
answered, and some that may never be. However, I traveled to
Las Vegas this past year and meant with Lazar and Gene Huff
for a story for UFO Magazine. The story incientally, is
still on-going. In the next issue of UFO, we are running a
copy of Lazar's W-2 form. The fact is, much of what Lazar
has stated in the past has checked out over time. In any
case, the story is fascinating. Here then is Part I of the
Lazar story, and the Part Two, in Vol. 6 No. 1 will follow
shortly.


WHISTLEBLOWERS III
The Saucers and the Scientist
UFO Magazine Vol. 5 No. 6, by Don Ecker
All rights reserved.

 In the third installment of the
Whistleblower series,  UFO is tak-
ing a look at the Robert "Bob "
Lazar story. It's one that has all
the ingredients for a blockbuster
Hollywood epic: Sex, mystery,
violence, plus the biggest potential
story of all-alien visitation, plus
recovered flying discs, ultra top
secret (and denied) government
installations, hints of mind
manipulation, government spying,
intimidation, television exposes,
arrests, charges of pandering,
hints of local political maneuver-
ing enough to even satisfy a
Richard Daly), not to mention
worldwide interest. Okay, enough
of the preamble, now the facts.

    At the end of August, Bob
Lazar was sentenced as a
result of his conviction on one count
of pandering. He's now on three
years probation, and has been
ordered to perform l50 hours of
community service and to make a
weekly visit to a psychologist during
the probation period. This came after
his admission that in January of
l990 he helped set up a computer
system and install security equipment
for a longtime prostitute then run-
ning a brothel in Las Vegas.
 What makes Lazar important, as
far as the UFO community is con-
cerned?

 Starting November 6, 1989, Las
Vegas TV station KLAS, Channel 8,
broadcast a week-long television
special dealing with the UFO enigma.
Covering the story from the l940s to
the present, the KLAS-TV series,
produced and narrated by George
Knapp, investigated the UFO story
from purported military involvement
to cattle mutilations, to finally a seg-
ment introducing a young man
named Bob Lazar, who described
himself as a physicist-scientist who
had worked at the super-secret area
S4, also known as "Dreamland,"
The  "Skunk Works, " and the
"Ranch."
  Lazar was no stranger to televi-
sion, however. As the story later
developed, it was found that Lazar
had given interviews before. But in
those interviews, he had been elec-
tronically altered on screen and had
gone under the pseudonym of "Den-
nis.  " Dennis, as later came to light,
was the name of Lazar's supervisor
at Area S4. According to Lazar,
after that segment had aired, "Den-
nis" called him up and stated "Do
you know what we're gonna do to
you now?" Lazar said no, and
"Dennis" hung up.

The 'big secret'

  Just what is supposed to be the big
secret? According to Lazar, the
government has nine flying saucers
stored at S4. They are also working
on anti-matter reactors and other
technology which, according to
Lazar, is beyond what is currently
possible under existing human
technology. Where did it come from
and why is he telling what he knows?
"This stuff came from somewhere
else," Lazar said. "I know it is hard
to believe, but it is there and
I saw it.
  "I know what the current state-of-
the-art is in physics and it (the
technology) can't be done." The
reason he came forward? Simply
self-protection according to him, no
great humanitarian impulse, but
simply self-protection.  "Well, they
are trying to make me look non-
existent, the schools that I went to,
the hospital that I was born at, past
jobs, and nothing comes up with my
name on it . . ." Lazar says he
worked at Los Alamos National
Laboratories, but they claimed no
knowledge of him. However, an old
phone book from Los Alamos tells a
different story. Lazar is listed there,
along with the other scientists and
technicians.
  EG&G, the government contract
company where Lazar claims he in-
terviewed for his job at Area S-4
also claims never to have heard of
him. However, Lazar received a copy
of his W-2 form (the form one needs
for taxex) from Naval Intelligence, at
least proving that he worked for that
military agency. Knapp aired this fact
on an update carried on KLAS.

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Lazar Part Two
Date: 17 Feb 91 20:08:00 GMT

Cont. from last.

All rights reserved.

  According to what Lazar told
Knapp, he was never told exactly
what he would be working on. "But
I figured that it had something to do
with advanced propulsion,  " he said.
"I read a series of briefings on the
First day, and immediately realized
how advanced the propulsion really
was. The power source is an anti-
matter reactor.
    "They run gravity amplifiers.
There is actually two parts to the
drive mechanism. It's bizarre
technology. There (are) no physical
hookups between any of the systems
in there. They use gravity as a wave,
 using wave guides that look like
 microwaves."
   Lazar said it took a while before
 he actually saw one of the discs, but
that there were hints everywhere.
"They had a poster, and it looked
like a commercial poster-like it was
lithographed, like you could buy it at
K-Mart or someplace-but they were
all over the place, and it had the disc
that I coined the term 'the floor
model' which lifted off the ground
about three feet in the Dry Lakes
area, and the caption on it said
'They're Here.'These posters were
all over the place.  "

'Assortment Pack'

  Later Lazar relayed how he finally
got to see one of the craft.
   "When I was led in, it was the
first time that I saw the floor model
in the hangar sitting down, and I was
told they could have walked me in
the front door, but they purposely
wanted to walk me by it. I was told
not to say anything, to keep my eyes
forward and walk past the disc to the
office area .  .  .  As we went by it, I
just kinda stuck my hands on it, just
to run it alongside the thing and, uh
.  . after that I got to see it lift off
the ground and operate.  " When ask-
ed if he saw more than one he said,
 "Yeah, the hangars are all connected
together .  . there were nine, total,
that I saw, each one different. Like
they had the assortment pack."
   Security at S-4 offset the thrill of
working with alleged alien craft,
however. Lazar, when asked by
Knapp if he was ever threatened,
stated:   "They did everything but
physically hurt me.  " Knapp asked,
"They put a gun to your head?"
  Lazar: "Yeah."
   "You mean they actually put a
gun to your head:  " Knapp repeated.
  Lazar: "They did that even in the
original security briefing. Guards
there with M-16s. Guys were slam-
ming my chest, screaming into my
ear. They were pointing weapons at
me. Like I said, it's not a good place
to work.  "
  Later, while Lazar undertook
polygraph testing as a part of the
original KLAS report, his underlying
fear surfaced. Polygrapher Ron Clay
administered the first test which, ac-
cording to him, came back in-
conclusive. Lazar appeared to be
truthful on one test, deceitful on the
second.
  Clay asked that another
polygrapher be brought in, and Terry
Tabernetti was called. Tabernetti, a
former Los Angeles police officer,
runs a corporate security operation.
He ran Lazar through four tests, and
concluded that Lazar did not attempt
to deceive. Tabernetti then sent the
tests to a third polygrapher, who
concurred with Tabernetti's conclu-
sions. A fourth polygrapher,
however, concluded that Lazar may
have been relating information which
he heard, not that which he saw. At
that point, no final general consensus
was achieved. Tabemetti stated,
 "The difficulty in determining
Lazar's truthfulness stems from the
fear that was drilled into him.  "
  Over the course of his work with
the alleged craft, Lazar apparently
familiarized himself with them.  "I
gave everything names,  " Lazar
stated, "the'top hat' one, the'jello
mold,' and the 'sport model' (which)
operated without any hitch. I mean it
looked new, if that is what a flying
saucer looks like. One of them look-
ed like it was hit by some sort of
projectile. It had a large hole in the
bottom and a large hole in the top,
with the metal bent out like some
sort of large caliber . . . had gone
through it.  " The realization came
that is was from somewhere else
when he looked inside, and it had
really small chairs. I think that was
the first confirmation I had."

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Lazar Part III
Date: 17 Feb 91 20:09:00 GMT

Cont. from last.

All rights reserved.

Program's 'plodding pace'

  Lazar says he became disenchanted
at the plodding pace of the program,
however.  "It is just unfair, outright,
not to put it in the hands of the
overall scientific community. There
are people much more capable of
dealing with this information, and by
this time would have gotten a lot fur-
ther along than this small, select
group of people working out in the
middle of the desert. They don't
even have the facilities, really, to
completely analyze what they're deal-
ing with.  "
  The Lazar story would not be
complete with mentioning another in-
dividual whose name is significant in
this apparent saga. Gene Huff, a Las
Vegas real estate appraiser and
Lazar's very good friend, is part of
the story and purportedly observed a
test of one of these objects. When
Lazar could hardly contain himself
with the knowledge he had, he took
Huff and several other people out to
the edge of the Groom Mountains to
observe the lights for themselves.
  Over a two-week period, five peo-
ple managed to dodge the security
patrols long enough to witness a
strange glowing object ascend above
the mountain. The object was
videotaped. (The final video itself
does not prove much, but listening to
the witnesses while they observed the
object is enlightening.)
  According to journalist Knapp,
Lazar is not the only "insider" to
claim knowledge of a saucer program
at Groom Lake. But he is the only
one who has gone public. While sta-
tioned at Nellis Air Force Base, one
Las Vegas "professional," according
to Knapp, once witnessed a "saucer"
landing outside of Area 51, part of
the secret testing area, and reportedly
was  "taken away for several hours
for debriefing.  "
  An unidentified airman working at
one of the Nellis radar installations
told Knapp of sightings of
"unknowns" on the radar scopes,
objects that zipped around the range
at speeds of 7,000 miles per hour and
that would stop "on a dime." When
word about that got out, the airman
said that they were then ordered to
turn off their sensors for that area,
shut up, and that it had not happen-
ed.
  So if any of this technological
capability exists, how is it being ac-
complished? According to Lazar,
these craft have the ability to harness
gravity. The technology that he
claims to have witnessed extends
beyond "mere" flying saucers; the
anti-matter reactors allow the craft to
produce their own gravitational
fields. And what powers the reac-
tors? "Element 115," he said. "It
would be almost impossible: well, it
is impossible to synthesize an element
that heavy here on Earth.
  "I don't think that you can ever
synthesize it. . . You essentially
have to assemble it by bombarding it
with protons. . . atom by atom,
it would take an infinite amount of
power and an infinite amount of
time. The substance has to come
from a place where super-heavy
elements could have been produced
naturally. . . . Maybe next to a
much larger sun where there would
be greater mass. Maybe a binary star
system. . a super nova. . .it has to
be a naturally occurring element."

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Lazar Part IV
Date: 17 Feb 91 20:10:00 GMT

Cont. from last.

All rights reserved.

Alleged accident

  According to Lazar's story, as
reported on the KLAS special, Lazar
was hired because of an accident
which was said to have taken place
in April of 1987. Lazar claims that
he was informed that the accident
was passed off as an unannounced
nuclear test.  "Some people got
killed. I was told flat out I was one
of the people that were to replace
these guys.  " So how did Lazar
become employed with such an ultra-
secret installation? "I had sent
resumes to several national labs
around the country,  " he claimed.
 "Like Livermore, places that I would
not mind moving to, some around
here (Las Vegas) like EG&G, and
some other places that do similar
scientific work. I got some responses
from a couple of them. I went in for
an interview, they had a job in mind
and as it turned out they said I was
'over qualified' for it. They said they
might have something in the near
future that I would be very interested
in. They wanted to know what I did
in my spare time, they really seemed
interested in that. I told them of my
hobbies, like working with jet cars. "
  Lazar met Dr. Edward Teller at
Los Alamos National Labs. "(Ed-
ward Teller) told me where to send
my resume to. He gave me a specific
name. I was at Los Alamos and I
had built a jet car that made the
front page of the paper. (Teller) was
lecturing at Los Alamos. I walked up
to the lecture hall and noticed Teller
sitting on the brick wall reading the
front page. I walked up and said
'Hi, I am the one you are reading
about there,'and he said that is real-
ly interesting, and I sat down and we
had a little talk, really about
nothing. As it turned out, he
remembered me. He was one of the
people I sent my resume to. What
went on behind the scenes I don't
know, but he had told me who to
send my resume to."
  Lazar states that after he began
working at the site, he was asked to
read briefing documents dealing with
"flying saucers." As he commented,
"I was completely shocked, I
couldn't believe it, I was so excited.
It was a science dream." According
to Lazar, it was never stated in the
purported documents how the
government retrieved the craft, or
where they came from. As is com-
mon in classified work or
documents, everything is compart-
mentalized, and this was no dif-
ferent. "Specifically, I had to deal
with propulsion and physics of the
little workings of what was
going on.  "

Anti-matter reactor

  Lazar also reported a demonstra-
tion he says he was given while at
S-4, which showed the functioning of
an anti-matter reactor. "They had
one of the reactors out of the craft,
which was an anti-matter reactor. I
was given a demonstration on how it
worked, the things it did and the
physics of it. The operation of it is
incredibly difficult to understand . . .
anti-matter is the most potent energy
source there can be. As an example,
a kilogram of anti-matter is equal in
energy to 47 ten-megaton hydrogen
bombs . . . to create fields and
power such as these discs would re-
quire, to do what they do to lift off
the ground without an auto-
propulsion system, requiires a tremen-
dous amount of energy."

Cont. next file.

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 368

                          Tuesday, February 19th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                 Knapp and Lazar
                                End Lazar Part I
                                     Missing
                 Paris Match  -  UFO sitings & Military release.
                            Re: Increase apocalypse f
                                  Re: Skeptics

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Knapp and Lazar
Date: 17 Feb 91 20:13:00 GMT

The man that broke the Lazar story is award-winning
jouralist George Knapp of KLAS TV in Las Vegas. Knapp said;

All rights reserved.

  Bob Lazar has come forward with
a fairly incredible tale, and has done
so at great personal risk. But what's
most interesting to me is that the
story he told me 16 months ago is
the same story he is telling today. It
hasn't changed, nor have I been able
to find any indications that he at any
point lied about his experiences.
  This much we know is true: There
really is an S-4 on the Nellis Air
Force Base range; Lazar really did
work for Naval intelligence, accor-
ding to his W-2 form. He really was
employed at Los Alamos National
Laboratories, even though that facili-
ty is still making it difficult for me to
obtain corroborating paperwork.
  Still, Lazar's involvement with an
illegal brothel operation certainly
hasn't helped with the search for
truth. The situation has made me
and a number of others open to ad-
ditional ridicule and doubt, which is
understandable. It has hurt Lazar's
credibility in the eyes of many peo-
ple, but to lots of others, it didn't
matter; the fact that he was involved
in something illegal doesn't rule out
the possibility that he also worked on
"flying saucers."
   That is a central issue. Lazar is a
complex man, not easily categorized.
I sometimes wonder if he wasn't in
fact chosen for the release of this in-
formation. If a psychological profile
was drawn up on Bob Lazar, he
might have been sized up as the kind
of guy who would "spill the beans."
Whether he's been brainwashed into
believing the story is another matter.
He admits that his "employers"
tampered with his mind, but whether
they stuck this stuff into his head to
see how people would react, I don't
know. To be sure, nobody has yet
freaked out!
  I also can't say whether there will
be a broader release of information
at some point in the future, although
there are indications that this is
possible. There are people who don't
know Lazar, and who don't even
know each other, who have added
bits and pieces of information that
back up what he has said. Perhaps
one of them will eventually choose to
come forward, and when that hap-
pens, the Lazar story will still be in-
credible, but it won't be just his
story. That fact just may capture a
whole new level of public awareness.

George Knapp

George Knapp is a broadcast jour-
nalist working at KLAS-TV in Las
Vegas, Nevada.

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: End Lazar Part I
Date: 17 Feb 91 20:14:00 GMT

Cont. from last.

All rights reserved.

              ***
  Backtracking to check any of these
claims or establishing the various
jobs, education, or business relation-
ships of Lazar has proven very dif-
ficult. Lazar himself has not helped
with the verification process. As he
told UFO at one point, when we
traveled to Las Vegas to interview
him prior to his sentencing, "I saw
what I saw, and you didn't. I don't
care who believes me and who
doesn't. **** the rest of you guys."
  California Institute of Technology,
MIT, and several other institutions
profess no knowledge of Lazar. A
check with Los Alamos, even with
the phone book which lists him by
name, brought a firm denial of
knowledge about him. Edward
Teller, when interviewed on camera
by the television newsmagazine show
Inside Report, also claimed to have
never heard of him. However, his
reactions when he was not aware of
being taped are most enlightening.

Author's note: The guilty plea he
entered after being convicted on a
single count of pandering-in lieu of
other possible charges, as a result of
his plea negotiation-has absolutely
hurt Lazar's credibility. His arrest
came after he admitted on camera
that he helped set up a computer
system and security equipment for a
well-known prostitute and an illegal
brothel in Clark County, Nevada.
  As he told Knapp earlier, Lazar is
the easiest guy in the world to
discredit, and he is right. Lazar
refused to furnish UFO Magazine
with information that could have
helped with his case.
  The political maneuvering in Las
Vegas over this case has all the ear-
marks of a political year (which it
is). Gene Huff, Lazar's good friend
and associate through it all, has been
Lazar's "mouth piece." At one
point, William Moore of MJ-12 fame
was in Las Vegas, and while there at-
tempted to meet with Lazar, but
Lazar turned him down. Moore then
wrote an editorial in his Focus
newsletter which castigated Lazar.
Lazar never responded himself, but
Huff did, in print, including Moore's
editorial and Huff's rebuttal. Along
with this, Huff also wrote and in-
cluded a text entitled "Where Is The
Justice?" During the time span be-
tween Lazar's arrest and final senten-
cing, Huff wrote a scathing docu-
ment alleging graft and collusion bet-
ween Las Vegas Metro Vice and a known
prostitute.

               ***

  UFO will go into this in more
detail later, but what is significant is
Lazar's unwillingness to cooperate by
providing details that would have
helped his case and verify his story.
The UFO community did not beat a
path to his door, but Lazar is the
man who came forward alleging
events and circumstances which, if
true, have broken a 40-plus year
secret that could prove to be the
ultimate "Cosmic Conspiracy. "
   It is unrealistic to expect the
research community to just go away
because one does not "wish to
play." When dealing with the poten-
tial explosiveness of the information
that Lazar has disseminated (and that
will be revealed for the first time
next issue), Lazar or any other
whistleblower must realize that
legitimate researchers are going to
dig and dig some more in attempts to
verify.  What the serious research
community is attempting is nothing
less than to expose the coverup that
has been ongoing for 40-plus years,
an effort to cause the powers to ad-
mit that we do have "otherworldly"
visitors.  In this or any other field
having such potential for world-
altering breakthrough, one cannot
half-step once the door has been
opened.

In the next issue, we explore more of
this story and look for the proof of
what may be the ultimate coverup.
        END OF PART ONE

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Missing
Date: 17 Feb 91 22:53:00 GMT

With the outbreak of war in the Gulf a little over a month
ago, many of us are reminded of many mysterious happenings
that take place in time of war. Because war is what it is,
many happenings are overlooked in the rush of events, that
in times of peace would be looked at much more closely.

Being a combat veteran myself, one of the most disturbing
things I found about war concerned my friends that went
missing in action, or other wise known as MIA. As we all
know now, having listened to the radio and TV this past
month, once again we are faced with our American troops that
have disappeared in the heat of combat while engaged with
Iraqi troops.

Iraq, or as it was known in Biblical days MESOPOTAMIA, is no
stranger to missing soldiers and airmen. In Frank Edwards
book, "STRANGE WORLD", published by ACE BOOKS, INC. 1964,
chronicled a very strange case that took place in British
Colonial days. The following is titled;

THEY NEVER CAME BACK

  Sometimes  when  people  disappear  it  seems  they
literally walk off the earth. Such was the case with David
Lang,  whose  classic  disappearance  as  he  walked across a
field in Tennessee was watched by five witnesses. And in
my book-Stranger Than Science, I also recounted the
story of the Eskimo village of Anjikuni, where every man,
woman, and child vanished, leaving their guns standing be-
side the doors of their huts. . their kayaks to rot on the
beaches.. and their dogs to starve. They vanished
a hint as to how, or where or why they went.

  To the list of mysterious disappearances let us add another
remarkable case.
  July 24, 1924, was just another day of blazing heat in the desert
of the Middle East, then called Mesopotamia. The
Arabs were up in arms again; the British were keeping an eye on
them whenever possible. On that day Flight Lieutenant
W. T. Day and Pilot Officer D. R. Stewart took off in their single
engine plane for a routine reconnaissance over the
desert. Estimated flying time: four hours.
  They have not been seen since.
  When their plane was found, the day after they failed to
return, the mystery w s only deepened. There was gasoline
in the tank, and the engine started readily when tried. There were
no  signs  that  the  plane  had  been  shot  at.  There was no
clue to hint why they might have landed where they
did . . . in a broad stretch of inhospitable desert.
 The search party found something else that adds ques-
tion marks to the case of the missing fliers.
  Beside the plane in the soft sand were the boot marks
where officers Day and Stewart had jumped down from
the craft. Their tracks showed that they had left the plane and
walked along side by side for about forty yards. There
the tracks ended.  The arrangement of the  footprints  indicated
that the men had simply stopped, standing side by side. Then, and
there, they vanished.
  The  fate  which  befell  them  will  probably  never  be known.
Armored trucks, planes, and half a dozen patrols of
native tribesmen scoured the desert for miles around. There
was never a trace of the missing fliers. Where their footsteps
ended in the sand, their life stories ended too. And there
began another classic mystery of missing men, another true story
that is, indeed, strangest of all.

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From: ac.dal.ca!MCLARKE
Subject: Paris Match  -  UFO sitings & Military release.
Date: 18 Feb 91 18:16:55 GMT

From: [e-mail]

Could you please confirm the issue date for the er

recent article in the Paris MAtch magazine featuring the
evidence released by Belgian Military Officals.  I would like
to confirm the article before posting it locally.

Mike Clarke
Teaching Unit
Academic Computer Service
Dalhousie University
Nova Scotia, Canada
[phone]

PS

Were there any sitings of spherical UFOS during last Feruary (1990) over
the NE states or Quebec?

Mike




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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Increase apocalypse f
Date: 18 Feb 91 06:25:06 GMT


 JP> When everyone agrees on something, evryone's usually wrong. --
 JP> old stock market saying.

Jim --

This puts me in mind of Asimov's Corollary to Clarke's Law.
Arthur C. Clarke, you may recall, was the one who said

   When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that
   something is possible, he is almost certainly right.  When he
   states that something is impossible, he is very probably
   wrong.  (Clarke's Law)

"Elderly", per Clarke's use of the term:  "In physics,
mathematics, and astrophysics, it means over thirty; in the other
disciplines, senile decay is sometimes postponed to the forties."

Clarke's friend Isaac Asimov said he _basically agreed_ with this,
even though he suspected that Clarke had him (among others) in
mind, in so saying.  However, Asimov said he wasn't terribly
worried, since he was guided by the aforementioned corrolary, in
deciding which scientific heresies to denounce:

   When, however, the lay public rallie around an idea that is
   denounced by distinguished but elderly scientists and supports
   that idea with great fervor and emotion -- the distinguished
   but elderly scientists are then, after all, probably right.

Best Regards,
Rick M.



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From: [e-mail] (Doug Rogers)
Subject: Re: Skeptics
Date: 16 Feb 91 21:14:47 GMT

Rick,

I believe, if you will re-read my post, I am taking no particular
individual to task.  I was simply asking *ALL* participants to re-

examine what they are saying and doing.  If I find anything you
personally say to be out of line, please rest assured, you will hear
from me.

I find nothing to criticize in your post to me, but I don't see where
it argues with anything I've said.  I was asming for ALL parties to
honor the right of ALL RESPONSIBLE positions to be heard.  If you
can show a postion to be IRRESPONSIBLE, then you are working within
the guidelines of the network.  The search for "truth" is the point
of what is going on here, is it not?

Thanks for your comments, and keep asking questions.

And thanks also for your kind words.  Moderators are, by definition
Curmudgeons.  A bit of appreciation is always welcomed by *ALL* of
us.


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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 369

                           Monday, February 25th 1991

Today's Topics:

                 Paris Match  -  Ufo Sitings & Military Release.
                            Desert Shield Strangeness
                      RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA
                                Ufo-vol. 6 No. 2
                                 Re:  JUST CAUSE
                              Re: UFO-VOL. 6 NO. 2
                                  Lazar Part II
                                   Lazar Cont.
                                   Lazar End.
                             Re: Japanese Videotape
                                File Disclaimers

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Paris Match  -  Ufo Sitings & Military Release.
Date: 19 Feb 91 21:36:00 GMT


 > From: [e-mail]
 >
 > Could you please confirm the issue date for the er
 >
 > recent article in the Paris MAtch magazine featuring
 > the
 > evidence released by Belgian Military Officals.  I
 > would like
 > to confirm the article before posting it locally.

The article appeared on July 5, 1990, according to the
information that I have here.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Desert Shield Strangeness
Date: 17 Feb 91 15:18:00 GMT


 swue> (1) Has anyone noticed that in most of the 'Nintendo' movies they are
 swue>     showing of smart bombs taking out Iraqi targets there is no
 swue>     indication at all of any camera motion?  You can see things moving
 swue>     on the ground, you can see the bomb streak in from out-of-frame,
 swue>     you can see the smoke rising from the wreckage--but the camera
 swue>     never moves.  Surely they're not using hovering Harriers for
 swue>     bomb-damage assessment!  Perhaps ducted-fan drones?  I had read
 swue>     years ago that we were building these for aerial reconnaissance,

Sorry...but that doesn't wash.  Have you done much flying?  Whenever you
approach a city or coastline from high in the air, you should notice that the
ground doesn't 'rush right up to the plane'...despite the speed they are flying
at.

Even though the flighter/bomber doesn't fly as high as commercial traffic
during a bombing run on a target...they are indeed a lot higher than the camera
shows.  Blame it on zoom-lens or whatever...but they are NOT that close. Hence,
their approach may look as though the *plane* (yes, they are still planes...the
same ones you see taking off from the military bases and aircraft carriers) is
floating stationary over the target.  That is just an illusion from the
camera's perspective itself.  We are not talking about any strikes made by a
hovering helicopter here...or any *unusual* types of flying apparatus.  Just
listen to the commander or the commentator during the showing of any bombing
video footage.  They will almost always tell you what model bomber or fighter
did the damage.  You can best believe it is publically known aircraft and
technology.  Those are real planes and real people flying them!

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA
Date: 18 Feb 91 14:12:00 GMT

Mike, I think that you miss read my message. I said that they are
working on a 4 part series on the Gulf Breeze sightings not the
"America, Best Kept secret". This 4 part series will use
professional actors playing the parts of Ed Walters and the other
people that were involved. This information comes from Donald Ware
the Regional Director of MUFON. The Crew has already interviewed him
so as to get a personality trait on him and also Ed Walters. I have
no ideal when this mini series will be aired.   73's  ---Jim---
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Ufo-vol. 6 No. 2
Date: 22 Feb 91 03:21:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Ask UFO Magazine"
 * Originally from Don Ecker
 * Originally dated 02-20-91 23:01

Hello all. UFO Magazine Vol. 6 No. 2 is fresh off the press. In this newest
issue UFO takes a gander at the information that is through "Official
Channels".

Terry Ecker (no relation that we are aware of) has taken another look at the
Rendelsham Forrest, United Kingdom case. We call it "Bentwaters". Terry Ecker
from Palatka, Florida got the scoop at the Great Gulf Coast UFO Gathering in
Biloxi.

What happens when you ask Uncle Sam to look into UFO happenings? Read "Going
for the Government: An Overview".

The Sabbotage of Ufology looks at what the good folks in the intelligence
areana may have on their agenda for the UFO crowd.

A Newsman's Odyssey is my story on what really went down in Wytheville, Va.
with Danny Gordon and the Wytheville sightings.

In Advance of the 'New World Order' is a very interesting article by Mike
Lindemann taking a look at the Gulf and the oft used phrase New World Order
that our President and the Soviet Premier use SO OFTEN.

Dick Haines new book 'Advanced Aerial Devices Reported During the Korean War (
thats UFOs folks ) is reviewed, and Dennis Stacy looks at Moore and Shandera's
new one, 'The MJ-12 Documents, An Analytical Report'.

And so much more. . . . . . . .

Don't miss it.

Don

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From: stl-06sima.army.mil!wmartin
Subject:  Re:  JUST CAUSE
Date: 22 Feb 91 15:25:46 GMT

From: Will Martin <[e-mail]>

There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding about this law.

It was not aimed at the ordinary federal employee who writes articles or
edits a newsletter, but, because of the sloppiness and incompentence of
the legislators, it ended up having that effect.

It was enacted as part of the Congressional 'ethics' legislation, which
*was* widely publicised. In return for their over-large and unearned
pay raise, Congress (and other high-level appointed officials) traded
off 'honoraria' and various sources of outside income, like
article-writing. But the law was so broadly worded that it not only covered
these intended targets, but also included ordinary low-level federal
employees (like me).

There are court challenges and revised legislation in the works, so it
this effect on ordinary employees is sure to eventually be removed, but
that will take time. All in all, this is a good example of 'Run for the
hills! Congress is in session!'

Personally, I would have preferred that Congresscritters just simply and
openly get their income from graft and corruption, instead of
surreptitiously. Pay 'em a nominal fee and save our tax dollars. This
'ethics' brouhaha had just the wrong effect, 180 degrees away...

Regards, Will




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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: UFO-VOL. 6 NO. 2
Date: 22 Feb 91 19:41:17 GMT

Message from you signed DON mentions Mike Lindemann and his work on the
analysis of "New World Order" issues. Does anyone have a mailing address or
some possible way to contact Mike? Does he possibly have access to Paranet? I
need to contact him about "Blue Dukes Ravin Blues" which occured about 25
years ago. He will understand the above if he is the same person who worked
on this project until 1967.

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Lazar Part II
Date: 24 Feb 91 20:16:00 GMT

In Part III of the "Whistleblowers" Part I of the Bob Lazar story
was uploaded. In Part II of the Lazar saga, here is the
"Whistleblowers" Part IV, "Tales of the Bizarre" as read in UFO
Magazine Vol. 6 No. 1, by Don Ecker.

Whistleblowers, IV, TALES OF THE BIZARRE by Don Ecker
UFO Magazine Vol. 6, No. 1
All rights reserved.


  In the last issue of UFO, the first
part of the Lazar story was pub-
lished. No other story in the last 5 to
10 years has had such potentially
earth-shaking implications. Lazar, a
31-year-old, self-described physicist,
has told a fantastic story of having
worked on a number of recovered
flying saucers that the U.S. govern-
ment has stored at a top-secret sec-
tion of Nellis Air Force Base.

  Claiming to have been hired after
an accidental explosion at Nellis in
early 1987, which he says killed two
scientists and involved the alleged
element 115, Lazar says his work at
the super secret S-4 site lasted ap-
proximately 4 months. After Lazar
was caught on Bureau of Land
Management land with several other
people who witnessed what appeared
to be a test flight of one of these
"alien" craft, he was ordered into
security offices for what he described
as a debriefing filled with threats of
bodily harm.

  Lazar originally revealed his story
to two people who at the time were
close friends of his-John Lear, who
made a splash in the UFO field in
late 1987, and Gene Huff, perhaps
Lazar's closest friend. Lazar's story
has not materially changed since he
first went public in 1989, and up un-
til now few additional additions have
surfaced.

  One source close to Lazar stated
that at one point, his security
clearance came under scrutiny
because of a "phone tap" that the
intelligence people at S-4 had on
Lazar's phone. Apparently Lazar's
ex-wife had been found in "Flagrante
delicto" via the tap. Lazar had been
unaware of this until called into
"security."

  Also at one point, security alleged-
ly had been following Lazar when he
stopped at John Lear's house follow-
ing his first days working at S-4. As
Lazar stated in other media when
speaking about his employment, the
oppressive atmosphere began to
outweigh the thrill working at such
an exotic location.

   Lazar later privately spoke of be-
ing shown various briefing
documents that were to provide per-
sonnel working on this project with
background information, material
that supposedly disclosed extensive
details concerning what was known
about the saucers and the entities
that piloted them. Documents spoke
of the "kids," and Lazar guessed
that this could have been a reference
to aliens, but he was not sure.

About human religion

   Another area that these "briefing
documents' addressed concerned
human religion, and what the alien
intelligence had admitted. Lazar at
first refused to discuss this aspect,
and later, while scoffing at the infor-
mation, said that the documents
stated that the aliens had "created"
religion. Humans were said to be the
product of genetic engineering,
created by the aliens. Religion was
also their creation, to give rules to us
so we would protect the
 "containers;  " in effect, the aliens
saw us as nothing more than con-
tainers. (Whether this means that the
body is a vessel for the soul, or just
that only the body is important, they
see us as something necessary to their
purposes.) Lazar also said that the
documents stated that Jesus and two
other beings (religious personages)
were genetically created and were
monitored throughout their lives, ap-
parently as some type of human
"role model."

Cont. with next file.

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Lazar Cont.
Date: 24 Feb 91 20:16:00 GMT

Cont. from previous message..
All rights reserved.

  Prior to Lazar "going public" in
the latter part of 1989, he had ap-
peared on television, his image
"blacked out," and was using the
pseudonym "Dennis." Dennis, as it
turned out, was actually the first
name of Lazar's supervisor at S-4.
After the blacked-out image of Lazar
appeared on local news, where he
was talking about U.S. flying
saucers, Lazar stated that "Dennis"
called him and in a threatening tone
asked if he knew what could happen
to him. Then he hung up. At one
point, Lazar told KLAS newsman
George Knapp that someone shot out
his rear tire as he was on an off
ramp at the interstate. Another
source close to Lazar has stated that
there may be elements within the
security structure that for whatever
reason want this information to go
public. (If so, what better an in-
dicator of public reaction than the
Lazar saga?)

   His story has garnered worldwide
notice, and he's received many in-
vitations to appear in various media.
 At one point, Nippon Television
reportedly paid Lazar $5,000 to
travel to Japan to appear on
Japanese television. Prior to leaving
for the airport, Lazar stated that he
received an anonymous telephone call
threatening that if he traveled to
Japan, he would never make it back.

   Stating that he had feared for his
life, Lazar refused to go. Nippon TV
then considered filing a lawsuit
against Lazar, charging breach of
contract.

  A height of intrigue was reached
when KLAS, after cleaning up dur-
ing the TV "sweeps" with their first
UFO special, planned to run a se-
cond special. A ratings war
developed with another TV station,
and according to informed sources
the opposing TV station hired some
private detectives to follow Lazar
and George Knapp. At one point,
the rival TV station dug up the dirt
on Lazar and his business dealings
with a prostitute who was running an
illegal brothel in Las Vegas proper.
Finding out about the rival station's
scoop, Knapp convinced Lazar to
defuse the situation by going on
camera and admitting that he sold a
computer and software and set up
security equipment for the prostitute,
Toni Bulloch. According to Gene
Huff, Bulloch had been running this
business for some time, and the Las
Vegas vice squad was aware of the
operation.

  During the course of this investiga-
tion, UFO Magazine spoke to a
number of principals while attemp-
ting to verify Lazar's story. A girl
friend of Lazar, who knew Toni
Bulloch, stated that Bulloch had an
affair with one of the Las Vegas
Police officers who was a member of
the vice squad.

  The entire case against Lazar was
 bizarre, to say the least. He was, ac-
cording to witnesses, only the third
person in Nevada's history to be con-
victed of pandering. As it ended up,
Lazar was put on probation, in-
structed to perform community ser-
vice and ordered to see a
psychologist during his probationary
period.

   At this point, the big question
is-where are the saucers? Do Lazar
and his story hold up: What is in the
future concerning Area 51, and the
section called S-4:
  Lazar has received a W-2 form
from Naval Intelligence, which is be-
ing touted as a prime piece of
evidence to back up his claims.
KLAS-TV has aired the form on
television.  In the course of research-
ing this article, UFO Magazine asked
both Bob Lazar and George Knapp
to forward a copy of the form, a re-
quest which has yet to be fulfilled.

  Groups of curious people continue
to traipse out toward Nellis AFB to
watch for flying saucers, and some
manage to see them and take
photographs of whatever it is that
the Air Force-or someone-is flying
in the vicinity.

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Lazar End.
Date: 24 Feb 91 20:17:00 GMT

Cont. from previous message.
All rights reserved.

When Lazar first went
public with his claims, supposedly
several other people were to have
"come clean" with more informa-
tion. Sadly, no one else has publicly
made any statements. I personally
think that there is "high
strangeness" to Lazar's claim, and
he may very possibly be telling all he
knows. But a number of questions
still await satisfactory answers. (For
instance: If Lazar did abscond with
some monumental "proof", why did
he leave it lying around unattended,
so the alleged burglars could get at
it?  But this does not necessarily seem
out of character. For someone who
supposedly held such an unbelievable
job, Lazar's laissez-faire attitude is in
itself incredible-he personifies the
person who "marches to the beat of
a different drummer.")

  There is more than enough
peripheral evidence to Lazar's claims
to make some people very nervous;
that in itself is telling. Lazar has
passed a number of polygraph tests,
has undergone hypnotic regression,
and has shown reason to believe that
he may have been administered drugs
without his consent, in order to
"wipe" his memory of certain
events. If this proves to be the case,
at the very least it means that his
civil rights have been abrogated, and
if "they" can abrogate his civil
rights, then they can abrogate yours
and mine. If there are people in the
power structure who feel compelled
to flush away our Constitutional
guarantees because of something to
do with flying saucers, then we have
to ask, just what in hell are they
hiding? And why are they hiding it?

  The Lazar story, much like every
other major UFO event or non-
event, will probably never be settled
to everyone's satisfaction. At least
not until the Government "players"
come clean with what it is they are
doing. The fact that there are
unidentified flying objects is not
open for speculation; it has been
proven time and time again that
something unknown is flying around.
What that something is and the iden-
tities of the people who are the ar-
chitects of the secrecy surrounding it
should be first and foremost on each
of our minds. Probably not until
Congress demands the truth in the
name of the American people will it
ever be known-or until these
mysterious objects, using their own
agenda, play out "their" scenario.

END

Authors note;

Lazar and Huff did in fact send UFO Magazine a copy of Lazar's W-2
form which is now included in UFO Magazine Vol. 6, No. 2. The form
lists Lazar's former employer as Naval Intelligence. Is the Lazar
story over now, and to be regarded as history? No. According to
Gene Huff when I spoke to him, Lazar and Huff are producing a video
that they will market in which Lazar is giving a science lesson for
the layperson in which he discusses interstellar travel and anti-
gravity propulsion. Huff stated that Lazar will also discuss the
alleged aliens that came in the saucers, site S-4, and the alien
interaction with humanity. It should be interesting on several
levels. Once more the proof is still hovering in the anti-gravity
mode. MAYBE time will tell, but in the words of Linda Elerbee, "And
so it goes. . . . . . ."

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From: [e-mail] (John Tender)
Subject: Re: Japanese Videotape
Date: 21 Feb 91 07:02:29 GMT


 RM> Fourth, any skeptic worth his doubts _will_ be able to tell what
 RM> evidence would suffice to convince him on a given factual claim.
 RM> Klass, Sheaffer, and Oberg _can and have_ said what would
 RM> convince them. So, they may be wrong, but they're not
 RM> dogmatists.

     Have they made definitive statements, and if so where are these
available?



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From: [e-mail] (John Tender)
Subject: File Disclaimers
Date: 21 Feb 91 07:02:04 GMT

[original post taken from Ask/UFO conference]

 RM> Ralph Putnam to Mike Corbin:

 RP>> Anyway, the question is, why do the ParaNet nodes (at least the
 RP>> ones I have dialed into) continue to carry the Bill Cooper
 RP>> files?  Is there some valid info. in there?  From your (and
     ...
 RM> or of the author's reputation.  I don't think I've seen the
 RM> particular files you mention (waiting for a disk or two from
 RM> Mike), but even if they're _really bad_, they can -- at a
 RM> minimum -- be valuable as an example of their kind.

     I'm wondering what you mean by "of their kind" ?

     Since you are, quite understandably, sensitive about being lumped
in with some other "skeptics", shouldn't we be careful here too?

 RM> If I were really worried about the impression these things might
 RM> make on callers, I might have two UFO file areas:  General and
 RM> Sysop's Picks.  General would be "caveat lector" stuff (Wild
 RM> Bill and others), in the sysop's humble opinion, while Sysop's
 RM> Picks would be those the sysop considers less improbable
 RM> (modify this according to your degree of skepticism :-) ).

     Any sysop utilizing such a policy should also recognize a
responsibility to post a sufficiently clear description of the criteria
employed in making the selection.


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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 370

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Today's Topics:

                                 Re: Lazar end.
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                                     (None)
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Lazar end.
Date: 25 Feb 91 06:08:13 GMT

> Lazar and Huff did in fact send UFO Magazine a copy of Lazar's W-2
> form which is now included in UFO Magazine Vol. 6, No. 2. The form
> lists Lazar's former employer as Naval Intelligence.

Whoa there, Don.  There's something _very wrong_ with accepting this
form as evidence of anything at all.  I'll be very reassured if you
aren't going to need me to tell you what that is, and can/will let the
echo know, instead of leaving us with the implication that it
constitutes actual evidence.

Best Skeptical Regards <grin>,
Rick M.

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Skeptics
Date: 25 Feb 91 06:10:55 GMT

Doug --

Thank you for (again) a thoughtful posting, and for your kind words.

Best Regards,
Rick M.

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From: stl-06sima.army.mil!wmartin
Subject:  'Secrets' and Gulf Breeze
Date: 26 Feb 91 16:55:23 GMT

From: Will Martin <[e-mail]>

Well, *there's* proof that there is a cover-up conspiracy!!!!!
                ^^^^^
Those who watched the ABC 'America's Best-kept Secrets' last night (25 Feb)
will know whereof I speak. The show proceeded normally up to the segment
on Gulf breeze, which was preceeded by a commercial break. Then, only a
few seconds into the segment, it was wiped off the air  by an ABC News
'Gulf War Special Update'. Was this real Gulf War news? NO! It was a
totally worthless piece of puffery with no particular time-reference.
They spoke of the President's advisers meeting at the White House.
This was a non-event, which in no way justified an interruption of
regular programming:

1) I expect these advisers and high mucky-mucks to meet *all the time*
during this period of national crisis; that's what we pay them for! The
fact that they met was NOT newsworthy.

2) There was no public statement issued or live press briefing at this
time; the time chosen to interject this 'special update' had no relation
to actual newsworthiness. This can be proven by the fact they let a
commercial break go by complete and uninterrupted, and only afterwards
presented this update.

When the update finished, they cut back to the GB story, which was just
about meaningless and near the end after having its meat ripped out.

Let me emphasize that I am not claiming that this or any other
entertainment program is more important than war news. War coverage
should take precedence. (As I pointed out above, though, this was NOT
'war news' due to its content.) Where ABC and all the other networks are
wrong is in the fact that they are presenting *any* 'entertainment' during
this time, if they are going to interrupt it at unpredictable intervals.
(This particular one probably orchestrated by a 'man in black' lurking in
the shadows of the control room... :-) They should have been an all-news
service ever since the war began; it would have allowed adequate coverage
of all the other news that has been ignored during this time.

Regards, Will




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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: Lazar End.
Date: 26 Feb 91 23:27:00 GMT

Rick Moen said with skeptical tongue in side of cheek;

 > Whoa there, Don.  There's something _very wrong_ with
 > accepting this
 > form as evidence of anything at all.  I'll be very
 > reassured if you
 > aren't going to need me to tell you what that is, and
 > can/will let the
 > echo know, instead of leaving us with the implication
 > that it
 > constitutes actual evidence.

Whoa there Rick. I do not recall saying ANY SUCH THING. What
I did say was that we received a fax of the W-2 form in
question. I did not say that we thought it was genuine.
However, rest assured. . . . .  I am following up on it.

Nuff said.

Don

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From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)
Subject: (None)
Date: 27 Feb 91 17:27:28 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


First of all, I apologize for creating unnecessary intrigue about my name.
My name is Greg Lush.  I thought that would come at the top of the
mail header, but it didn't.  I sign all my mail out here GBL so
it is a habit.

-------

I have been trying to tell people about the Phoenix Journals for 8
months now, and have gotten a wide variety of responses which
can be condensed into 3 categories:

1)  Militant accusations of my inability to discern my head from
 a Hatonn in the ground.

2)  This is a hard reaction to describe without embellishing with bias.  If
 I were to say the response was open-minded, it would sound
 critical of those who wouldn't believe.  If you don't choose
 to believe, fine.  I only wanted to share what I think is,
 quite frankly, the most important information you can ever
 come in contact with.  (With a statement like that, I guess
 my objectivity might be thrown out the window.)
 Let's just say that I was able to discuss this with some
 people without having something thrown at me.  They might
 have laughed at me later, but were polite enough to spare me.

3)  Absolute fear and giving up of hope.  Some actually got physically
 sick to their stomach.  I guess this means that these
 people believed.  Such a response is, unfortunately, the worst
 possible.  Fear typically arises lack a of knowledge.
 I believe that things are going to get pretty horrendous on this
 planet soon, and for a long time.  Knowledge is your best tool.
 Saddam Hussein calls the Persian Gulf War the Mother of all Battles.
 I think he is in the know of what is going on, though he might not
 survive it all.  The best way to survive is to have knowledge.
 There is a way to 'win' and individuals will be given what they
 need to survive if they ask.  That is why the Pleidians are here.

I guess I hope that when I share this with people, they recognize
that if all of conspiracy theory is true--or even a part of it--then
the repercussions are horrendous enough that it merits attention.
The individual then must make an effort to verify the information from
of other sources.  I recommend these Journals because no other source
that I have seen is so complete.

-------

It's rare that one person can write a book that will encompass the
whole picture.  The reason there is over 6000 pages of material from the
Pleidians is that it takes that much to cover it all.  The publishers
have put it all together in in 1-1/2 years.  It takes years to investigate
just one aspect of this.  I feel that they bring it together in an
understandable way.  I believe that once you have the WHOLE picture,
you can understand how it is not only possible that these conspiratorial
charges are true, but the data uncovered by humans alone makes it
LIKELY that it is going on.

-------

I have read two books that you might try to find in a used bookstore:

None Dare Call It Treason, by John Stormer who now lives in MO
    and
None Dare Call It Conspiracy and ANYTHING ELSE written by Gary Allen.

These talk about several aspects of this business (not aliens)
and are well footnoted.

Everything the Pleidians write has been, they claim, written before,
and the two books above are examples of this.
There is nothing I can say to one who does not believe in aliens to
make him believe, and I won't waste my time doing it.  I joined this
newsletter because I was surprised to see people discussing this.
I posted to the newsletter because I saw genuine questions being asked
that I thought I could answer.  If I sounded as if I was coming down
off a very high horse, I apologize.  People ask me if I believe that
these Journals represent truth.  I have to say that I KNOW they are truth.
Why?  Because I have researched as fully as my resources and time allow.
Because I now see the aspects of The Plan manifesting themselves every
day that I read the paper.  I warn everyone to watch Russia now, because
what happens there, will happen here.  This is the The Global 2000
plan for world control through the United Nations, and it is happening.
We will have martial law, $50 and $100 notes confiscated without warning,
and war will find its way here.

-------

If you don't believe me, I just ask that you keep the address for
the Journals in case something happens that raises your eyebrows
enough to let some more light in.  I DON'T CARE WHETHER THERE ARE
ALIENS HERE OR NOT.  It does not matter.  It is possible to verify the
information regarding our government contained within these Journals.
Ignore the author and absorb the information.  What matters is whether or
not our country is being taken away from us along with our Freedoms.
I believe there are aliens here.  Why?  Because everything I have been
able to verify that they have written has turned out to be truth.
After a while, I got tired of saying, 'well Hatonn, you were right again.'

There were many questions posed to me so I will answer some--some
I might have skipped because someone else answered it or I forgot.
I'm only human.

-------

Why wouldn't the aliens just solve all our problems?

Because WE created them and it is up to us, as a planet, to take
responsibility to solve them ourselves.  The Pleidians are not allowed to
interfere, just like Capt. Kirk and his Prime Directive.  This gets a
little hard to understand because by writing the Journals, they seem to
be interfering in a BIG way.  They are allowed to 'help' when requested
by humans, or when the results of our idiotic wars begins to spill into
the Cosmos, but the precise boundaries of how much help is allowed are
obscure to me.

There was a reference to the year 1992.

In a letter to the publishers, a man stated that a massive bomb
shelter is being built in Australia (in the side of a mountain)
to house 10,000 people (Elite).  It is to be completed in 1992.
I guess that might support the 1992 calculation for a Nuke-fest.

-------

I apologize for saying what I said about New Agers in such a blunt
and unjustified way.  I wouldn't know a New Ager if he fell on me.
All I said was that the Pleidians were not kind to the New Agers.
I didn't say they didn't believe in them or wanted to blow them up.
Their criticism is that their 'way' teaches people to "just be."
I don't know if this is a valid criticism.  God wants workers working
hard.  Someone has since posted some info about channeling
and references to Hatonn in other books.  He intimated that the
two don't jive. Choosing which one is more 'correct' is up the
discerning reader.

-------

The Pleidians say that there is nothing of channeling about how the information
for these books is received.  Hatonn explains that the receiver
receives short wave radio communications in his/her head--we have an internal
antennae, I guess.  She then types it into a computer.  The Pleidians do not
publish the books; they provide the information, and humans do the work.

-------

I know nothing about Ruth Montgomery.  Hatonn was mentioned in a book
I saw, but did not read.  In it were pictures of aliens ships picking up
people using something similar to a Star Trekkian transporter.  If such
a picture is in one of her books, then it is likely the same person.
His 'popularity' as someone put it in a posting may cause others to
claim to speak with him in order to gain credibility for their book.
But I don't know.

-------

EBE they describe as someone who was here to help us too.  He came
in friendship and love.  He was invited in and then
incarcerated and tortured.  These creatures are most beloved
by the members of the Cosmos.  I will try to quote Hatonn correctly
when he said 'You (humans) owe a tremendous debt to your Cosmic Brothers.'

-------

I am ignorant of UFO literature.  I did not know who Bill Cooper was
until I read these Journals.  I made a rather strong statement about
Mr. Cooper being a liar of great proportions without explaining it very well.
Remember, there are two ways to create misinformation: one is with lies, the
other with truth.  For instance, you can tell people a lot of facts that can be
verified.  If you then add that, by the way, the aliens would just as soon have
you roasted as talk to you, you can create a great deal of fear.
There are outtakes from the series of postings EBE#1-EBE#XX that
are printed word for word in one of the Journals, Space-Gate, The Veil Removed.
I didn't know this until I saw them and recognized them.  That means that,
if you believe the Pleidians, there is truth in those postings.
However, there is mis/dis-information as well, and that is included to
distract, confuse, and create fear.

-------

Someone called the aliens a bunch of liars who can't get their stories
straight.  Perhaps it is the humans interfacing with the aliens who are
not getting their stories straight.

-------

Isn't it interesting that so many who try to bring forth truth end up in
insane asylums?  Admiral Bird and Forrestal (Sec. of Defense WW II)
for instance.

-------

If you want to find out about CIA, Mossad, and drugs, see what you
can find of Bo Gritz's writings.  I have no address.  When the CIA
is identified as controlling drug trade, it doesn't mean that CIA
agents deal the drugs.  It simply means that no drug dealer operates
outside their control, and that the growers, and all are outfitted
with weapons by the CIA and the Mossad.  This was in the news very
recently, though not quite as bluntly as I have stated it here.
There was a connection made between some guns found in S. America
and the Mossad.  There's also that book by the ex-Mossad agent which
Israel attempted to ban.  It has useful info about the drug business.

-------

I have not seen a mention of the planet Marduk.  I don't know what
it is.  I have been told, long ago, probably by a friend,
that there was a planet where we are long ago,
but that it was exploded by its inhabitants.  This is the source of
one of our meteor showers every year.  Earth was the 4th
planet out from the sun.  Our moon was brought in to stabilize
the solar system.  This is another significant reason why the
Pleidians are here.  If we were to blow up earth, it would have
huge repercussions for this sector of the galaxy.  They are trying
to keep that from happening.  They once physically supported our
planet to keep it from flipping on its axis, but were subsequently
ordered to stop by a central 'Federation' which our planet is under.

-------

-  > In order for their ships to become visible, they must
-  > 'lower the frequency' at which they are vibrating to
-  > match ours.

- Any way possible for us to monitor this with some
- kind of hardware, or is it a psi-related phenomena?

The Pleidians explain that psychic phenomena and all that is
attached with it, such as remote viewing, is just simple physics.
The receiving of this material is not mystical or channeling.
It is physics that the general populace knows nothing about, but
is really quite simple to them (obviously).  Nikola Tesla developed
an understanding of much of this, but the bad guys (whoever THEY are)
got to him, and have hidden a lot of his work.

-------

How does one know whom to believe?  I will quote from an independent posting:

-   I am reminded
-  of what my Grandmother taught me about lies.
-  Make one lie and you'll soon have to make several
-  more to hide the first one.

Your grandmother was/is very wise.

This is the best way to help your discernment in listening
to our controlled media.  If they keep changing the story, it's
a lie; truth is truth.  Bush's stories change from day to day.
Also, note that in the ABC special 'Best Kept Secrets,'
the token debunker never questioned the data or the information
or the pictures taken.  He just made rambling statements about
the character of the people involved, saying, '...some people
have a need to be the center of attention...'  (He, for instance).
Also, note the stories that were juxtaposed with the Gulf Breeze
incidents.  Overall, the show was intentionally stupid, I thought.
Bush rarely questions President Hussein's information, but always
attacks his character--in fact vice versa is true as well.

-------

The Pleidians, as they describe themselves, do not represent
'life as we know it'.  They say that ALL planets in this system
are inhabited, but not necessarily by 'life as we know it.'

-------

The Hubble Telescope was built, tested and loaded into the shuttle
and 'never was there a more beauteous instrument built (by humans)'
the Pleidians say.  However, a replacement/substitute was also made because
it was likely that a whole lot of truth would come out of it.  I guess, if
you read some of the public review about the events leading up to the
'switch,'  you find that the designers were not allowed to be a
part of the re-loading process, and that it was stored for an extensive
time in an 'off-limits' location covered by a shroud.

-------

So, should you believe me?  No.  You should get some of the books
and read them and make your own judgement.  They are only $10 each
and you get a discount for 4.  You get 4 very interesting books
for $40.  That's not expensive.  (No, I don't own stock in their
publishing corporation.)  If half of what I've told you is true,
it is an investment with excellent returns.  I warn you now that the
early Journals are not well written in terms of grammar, and that
Hatonn comes off as a haughty lecturer much of the time.  I guess, if
he exists, and can see what ridiculous things we are doing down here
with the kind of clarity that his position affords, perhaps he is
justified in getting a little frustrated.

I think the best thing you can do is call the 800 number and ask for
their catalog.  It gives a paragraph description of each Journal.
Upon reading it you will see the breadth of their topics of coverage,
and you will understand why it's so confusing to listen to me.  It
won't cost you anything and you will be able to make a more informed
decision about whether you wish to read any of it.

I include this again for completeness:

                America West Publishers
                P.O. Box 986
                Tehachapi, CA 93581

                Phone: [phone]

Greg Lush


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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Japanese videotape
Date: 27 Feb 91 05:47:58 GMT

>  RM> Fourth, any skeptic worth his doubts _will_ be able to tell what
>  RM> evidence would suffice to convince him on a given factual claim.
>  RM> Klass, Sheaffer, and Oberg _can and have_ said what would
>  RM> convince them. So, they may be wrong, but they're not
>  RM> dogmatists.
>
>      Have they made definitive statements, and if so where are these
> available?

Good question.  Yes, but I'm not sure where these can be found.  Klass
can be reached at 404 "N" Street, Washington, DC 20024, and Sheaffer is
at 1875 Fallbrook Ave., San Jose, CA 95130.  If you're curious, write to
them, and I'm sure they'll be able to fill you in with a reference or
two.  I don't have an address for James Oberg, but you may be able to
reach him care of Houston NASA.

Best Regards,
Rick M.

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: File disclaimers
Date: 27 Feb 91 06:00:05 GMT

> [original post taken from Ask/UFO conference]
>
>  RM> Ralph Putnam to Mike Corbin:
>
>  RP>> Anyway, the question is, why do the ParaNet nodes (at least the
>  RP>> ones I have dialed into) continue to carry the Bill Cooper
>  RP>> files?  Is there some valid info. in there?  From your (and
>      ...
>  RM> or of the author's reputation.  I don't think I've seen the
>  RM> particular files you mention (waiting for a disk or two from
>  RM> Mike), but even if they're _really bad_, they can -- at a
>  RM> minimum -- be valuable as an example of their kind.
>
>      I'm wondering what you mean by "of their kind" ?

Wonder no longer.  Read 'em and find out.

>      Since you are, quite understandably, sensitive about being lumped
> in with some other "skeptics", shouldn't we be careful here too?

No, we should not.  My statement was a plea against deleting the files
of a writer on UFOlogy, even though just about everyone considers them
to carry no credibility whatsoever.  Do you have a problem with that,
John?  I most assuredly do not.

>  RM> If I were really worried about the impression these things might
>  RM> make on callers, I might have two UFO file areas:  General and
>  RM> Sysop's Picks.  General would be "caveat lector" stuff (Wild
>  RM> Bill and others), in the sysop's humble opinion, while Sysop's
>  RM> Picks would be those the sysop considers less improbable
>  RM> (modify this according to your degree of skepticism :-) ).
>
>      Any sysop utilizing such a policy should also recognize a
> responsibility to post a sufficiently clear description of the
> criteria employed in making the selection.

I fully disagree.  Sysops have no obligation to justify or explain their
placement of download files on their own systems.  If I were moved to
post such an explanation, it would be as follows:  "Because I damned
well felt like it."  That should more than cover it.

Best Regards,
Rick M.

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Old writers
Date: 27 Feb 91 06:04:42 GMT

>  RM>    When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that
>  RM>    something is possible, he is almost certainly right.  When he
>  RM>    states that something is impossible, he is very probably
>  RM>    wrong.  (Clarke's Law)
>
>  RM>  "When, however, the lay public rally around an idea that is
>  RM>   denounced by distinguished but elderly scientists and
>  RM>  supports that idea with great fervor and emotion -- the
>  RM>  distinguished but elderly scientists are then, after all,
>  RM>  probably right. [Asimov's Law]
>
>      How about:
>
>      "When two elderly, popular authors talk to each other for any
> length of time, the result is invariably a bunch of useless aphorisms"

How about:  "You can lead an echo reader to enlightenment, but you
cannot make him think"?

Whatever turns ya on.

Best Regards,
Rick M.

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From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked
Subject: ALTERNATIVE 3
Date: 28 Feb 91 14:18:39 GMT

From: Mike Dobbs <[e-mail]>

A friend of mine showed me a video tape of a TV show that was shown on
the BBC in June of 1976.  It was called ALTERNATIVE 3.  The show
appears to be a documentary about scientists mysteriously disappearing
from England, a joint US/Russian covert space program complete with a
base on the moon, and lots of other wild stuff.  Does anybody have
documented proof that this show was a hoax?  I have heard rumors to
that affect but nothing substantial.  Also I would like to write the
BBC to get their statement about the show. Can someone please provide
me with an address.  Thanks.

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 371

                             Sunday, March 3rd 1991

Today's Topics:

                                   correction
                                       Coverup?
                                   GBL we love you
                     crop circles sighted in PROCOMM PLUS ad
                                   Commander X
                                     (none)
                                    Coverup?
                                 Gbl We Love You
                                 Re: Lazar End.
                                    Kecksburg
                                  Lush & Hatoon
                          Re: 'secrets' And Gulf Breeze

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From: wam.umd.edu!infinity
Subject: correction
Date: 1 Mar 91 00:28:52 GMT

From: David Elmore Coleman <[e-mail]>


To correct:

I wrote:
+ This sounds like an aspect of the contactee
+ movement that is a different issue.  I was discussing elements suggesting
+ that there are no interior consistencies between contactees and abductees,
+ *in the context of the contactee world of ideas.*

I meant 'no interior INconsistencies' not 'no interior consistencies.'
Sorry.
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From: vm1.yorku.ca!YSCS1296
Subject:      Coverup?
Date: 1 Mar 91 02:19:07 GMT

From: User <[e-mail]>


IN RESPONSE TO:
-
'Those who watched the ABC 'America's Best-kept Secrets' last night (25 Feb)
will know whereof I speak. The show proceeded normally up to the segment
on Gulf breeze, which was preceeded by a commercial break. Then, only a
few seconds into the segment, it was wiped off the air  by an ABC News
'Gulf War Special Update'. Was this real Gulf War news? NO! It was a
totally worthless piece of puffery with no particular time-reference.'
-
That was my initial reaction as well, but I must say that we are all a bit
too much hyped up on the conspiracy factor.  IMHO, the government is
proceeding with a public education campaign, and not trying to cover it all
up any more (they can't!).  Reason for this is that I called a friend up
who told me that (s)he was able to watch the entire show without any
interruptions, including the entire UFO segment.  (s)he did not get the
ABC Peter Jennings interruption (for the first time I was dismayed at the
Gulf News 'update') and got to see the whole show.  Alas, my friend did not
record the segment since (s)he believed I would do that anyway.
-
Has anyone else seen the uninterrupted segment?  I must say that perhaps
the interruption was a specified censor of various parts of the country's
networks, so to reduce the number of viewers (remember how the NASA mars
face thing was stopped when too many people became aware of it?) and yet
allow a smaller portion to absorb the information in a controlled manner
of public education.  I say this because it is true that the ABC news
was total B.S. and did not warrant an update at that particular time (it
was NOT ON THE HOUR and was NOT URGENT NEWS - very suspect!).
-
So the worst case scenario is that the coverup was not successful, and
they missed out on a few areas of the country, and the best case is that
the update was a genuine one - and yet it bugs me that they chose EXACTLY
the UFO segment to censor out...
-
However, we did get to see the UNSOLVED MYSTERIES Kecksburg incident eh?
Not as awesome as the Roswell one they did before, but still quite good.
-
Still, it P.O.es me off that they're STILL trying to keep this under wraps...
even when we hear of 1995 as WW3, 2011 as DDay, etc...
-
And the worst are those jerk scientists who not only try to disprove the
evidence, but - worse - make FUN OF the poor victims/witnesses/researchers.




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From: vm1.yorku.ca!YSCS1296
Subject:      GBL we love you
Date: 1 Mar 91 02:19:45 GMT

From: User <[e-mail]>


With regards to GBL's (Greg's) recent posting:
-
I applaud your time and effort at trying to clarify the points you raised.
I recall being one of the people who posted reservations about what you
had stated.  Like I said, I have a very open mind (and the line between
that and gullibility is quite fine!) and since I have had a number of
personal experiences with the ... um ... weird sector of life, I find it
easy to accept most of what you say as quite possible (but not necessarily
true) and yet the question still remains, whether or not you are part of
the devious government's plan to get names of active UFO folks (active as
in simply being curious about all of this... but this can turn out to be
a witchhunt for them...) and thus you can see why some of us would rather
bug you online with questions, etc. rather than send in our name and
addresses, or at least put ourselves on a waiting list for a PO BOX number.
-
Again, I must ask whether or not it would be possible to present the bulk
of the material online in a manner easily accessible by us, annonymously,
or via paranet postings.  If indeed the material is so important, then we
as fellow humans in a larger cosmos should set everything else aside, and
just read all of this stuff for the next several paranet newsletters,
instead of wasting time discussing relatively useless things such as what
it really means to be a skeptic, or who flamed who and why, and how much
we are P.O.'ed by the Gov't :-), etc... because until we've read this stuff
all posted opinions are either moot, or obselete.
-
Then again, why hasn't the gov't censored this publishing company? or will
they start to, once this newsletter falls into their watchdog's paws?
-
One final point:  How can we contact Hatonn? Or his peers?  If we have this
built-in antennae (see also CODE OF THE LIFEMAKER, by J.P. Hogan for a SF
model of this) then we should know how to use it.  Meditation?  Or is there
some other more efficient manner?




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From: vanth!jms
Subject: crop circles sighted in PROCOMM PLUS ad
Date: 1 Mar 91 08:17:24 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

Datastorm Technologies of Columbia MO is running full-page ads for PROCOMM
PLUS with the caption 'Out of the prairie comes proof that a higher level
of communication has arrived.'  The ad features a field full of crop
circles, with the nearest one being in the shape of a floppy disk.  The
artwork is *perfect* -- the grain is swirled, there are single-file tracks
from one circle to the other made by spectators, and the other three circle
formations besides the disk are reproductions of actual patterns!


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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Commander X
Date: 1 Mar 91 08:18:05 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

This is probably an old subject, but does anybody have any concrete
information on this 'Commander X' person who wrote a book for Inner Light
Publications?  His claim seems to be that at least some 'aliens' come from
the Earth, and that in addition to underground bases there is a network of
tunnels going around the world.  These tunnels are supposedly inhabited by
evil reptilian creatures who are native to this planet but cooperate with
the Greys.  The tunnel system is supposed to have entrances in all the
major cities of the world.  Other than the tunnels and the reptilian
monsters, it's basically the same old abductions/mutilations/genetic
engineering story we all know and love. :-)

Two things that have been added to the advertisements for the book lately:
A claim that the aliens are going to make themselves known to the public
this year, and a picture of one of the reptiloids.  The picture is pretty
fuzzy, and I could swear I've seen it somewhere before.  I'm not even sure
it isn't a Gorn from 'Star Trek,' for example.

The biggest thing puzzling me about all this is where the reptile monsters
story came from.  Isn't there any money in Greys anymore?  :-)

This particular ad appeared in an issue of 'UFO Universe' that also
featured an Elvis-UFO connection...


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From: vanth!jms
Subject: (none)
Date: 2 Mar 91 17:12:54 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

+From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)
+Date: 27 Feb 91 17:27:28 GMT
+
+ I believe that things are going to get pretty horrendous on this
+ planet soon, and for a long time.  Knowledge is your best tool.

In some ways things are already pretty horrendous (the environment, AIDS,
crime, fascist governments, etc.)  Saying that they're going to continue to
get worse doesn't require information from outside sources.  But if you
mean something like the Apocalypse, I'm afraid there's no concrete
information that would lead to predictions of that nature.

I do agree in principle with the statement that 'knowledge is your best
tool', though.  Just look at how much better the environment would be if
people would enlighten themselves and demand support for alternative fuels,
instead of using all that oil. But as long as the 'establishment' insists
on using oil for everything, society as a whole isn't going to be able to
change.  And I don't expect the establishment to change, because it means
some of them would be out of their jobs.  Of course it's their own fault
that information and technology have been around for years and they've
chosen to ignore it.

+The individual then must make an effort to verify the information from
+of other sources.  I recommend these Journals because no other source
+that I have seen is so complete.

OK, so we read something in several apparently unconnected places.  But how
are we to know that they're truly unconnected, or that *any* of them are
telling the truth?

+understandable way.  I believe that once you have the WHOLE picture,
+you can understand how it is not only possible that these conspiratorial
+charges are true, but the data uncovered by humans alone makes it
+LIKELY that it is going on.

I'm not trying to say that there are NO conspiracies in the world, I'm just
saying that every one that's published isn't necessarily true.  In fact
there certainly is something going on with respect to UFOs, but what?

+Because I now see the aspects of The Plan manifesting themselves every
+day that I read the paper.  I warn everyone to watch Russia now, because
+what happens there, will happen here. This is the The Global 2000
+plan for world control through the United Nations, and it is happening.
+We will have martial law, $50 and $100 notes confiscated without warning,
+and war will find its way here.

I see things happening that I don't like either.  But I can't make the
alien connection just on the basis of the Pleidians, or Bill Cooper, or
whoever.  I think it's more along the lines of there are a bunch of people
who don't like the government and would like to see it change, but the
government won't change because their way is the only way they know.  There
was someone, I think it was Robert Anton Wilson, who proposed that humanity
is divided into two groups, neophiles and neophobes.  For what it's worth,
I agree with that assessment.  I can't go into details here because I don't
want to start an ideology war. It's not the purpose of this forum.

+enough to let some more light in.  I DON'T CARE WHETHER THERE ARE
+ALIENS HERE OR NOT.  It does not matter.  It is possible to verify the
+information regarding our government contained within these Journals.
+Ignore the author and absorb the information. What matters is whether or
+not our country is being taken away from us along with our Freedoms.

Bill Cooper is saying this exact same thing, or at least was the last time
I read anything from him.

+There was a reference to the year 1992.

Obscure sources say the aliens (one species anyway) are going to make
themselves known this year.  For what it's worth.

+In a letter to the publishers, a man stated that a massive bomb
+shelter is being built in Australia (in the side of a mountain)
+to house 10,000 people (Elite).  It is to be completed in 1992.
+I guess that might support the 1992 calculation for a Nuke-fest.

I don't know who would be crazy enough to start a large-scale nuclear war.
It would destroy the ecology of the entire planet.  You couldn't live in
your bomb shelter forever.  If Tom Beardon's theory about scalar
electromagnetic field weapons is correct, that would be the way to go if
you wanted to wipe out a huge area in a hurry. Proof of the existence of
such technology would also bring about a New World Order really fast,
because it would mean free energy is real, hyperspace is real, and all
sorts of other things that would mean our old way of thinking is wrong.

+The Pleidians say that there is nothing of channeling about how the information
+for these books is received.  Hatonn explains that the receiver
+receives short wave radio communications in his/her head--we have an internal
+antennae, I guess.  She then types it into a computer.  The Pleidians do not
+publish the books; they provide the information, and humans do the work.

If the receiver is really getting this by radio, it should be easily
provable.  (Some people CAN receive amplitude-modulated signals directly,
by the way.)

I've heard two theories to explain psychic powers in scientific terms.  One
is by the previously-mentioned Tom Beardon and involves the
previously-mentioned scalar waves, the other involves quantum mechanics and
is by someone whose name I've temporarily forgotten.

My problem with information allegedly received by psychic means is that
there's no way of knowing whether it *really* came by psychic means or
whether it's just something made up by the receiver's subconscious mind.  I
know of no psychic who is accurate all the time, even among ones who are
accurate some of the time.

+EBE they describe as someone who was here to help us too.  He came
+in friendship and love.  He was invited in and then
+incarcerated and tortured.  These creatures are most beloved
+by the members of the Cosmos. I will try to quote Hatonn correctly
+when he said 'You (humans) owe a tremendous debt to your Cosmic Brothers.'

If EBE was a Grey, as Cooper et. al. claim, what accounts for the stories
of the Greys told by abductees, then?

There are, of course, other species in the literature.

+The Pleidians explain that psychic phenomena and all that is
+attached with it, such as remote viewing, is just simple physics.
+The receiving of this material is not mystical or channeling.
+It is physics that the general populace knows nothing about, but
+is really quite simple to them (obviously).  Nikola Tesla developed
+an understanding of much of this, but the bad guys (whoever THEY are)
+got to him, and have hidden a lot of his work.

I have been reading quite a bit about this, and also about a man named
Keely who was apparently on the trail of the same sort of thing as Tesla,
but involving SOUND instead of electromagnetism.  Keely also unfortunately
expressed everything in his own unique terminology instead of conventional
scientific terms, so his work is inaccessible and frankly looks like a
bunch of nonsense to the uninitiated.

As for the Tesla end of things (actually, a lot is attributed to people
expanding on his ideas rather than Tesla himself), all I can say is that
it's very interesting to read and it sort of makes sense to me.
Unfortunately, my knowledge of physics isn't that great so I'm probably not
qualified to say.

However, I'm not sure that Tesla's ideas were *actively* surpressed so much
as they were *passively* surpressed.  That is, as I said above, a certain
type of person seems to be resistant to learning new ideas, and resultantly
fearful of them, much as the opposite type of person revels in new ideas.
It could also have something to do with the fact that Tesla didn't have
enough money to complete his research. Regardless, I think the problem is
largely simple ignorance rather than suppression.  How many people, for
example, have actually seen a bladeless turbine in use?  How many, for that
matter, know that such a thing even exists?  And that it's more efficient
and safer than conventional turbines?

+The Hubble Telescope was built, tested and loaded into the shuttle
+and 'never was there a more beauteous instrument built (by humans)'
+the Pleidians say.  However, a replacement/substitute was also made because
+it was likely that a whole lot of truth would come out of it. I guess, if
+you read some of the public review about the events leading up to the
+'switch,'  you find that the designers were not allowed to be a
+part of the re-loading process, and that it was stored for an extensive
+time in an 'off-limits' location covered by a shroud.

If two were built, it ought to be in the budget somewhere.  Anybody know
where?

Also, what were they afraid of?  Although it was going to give us
revolutionary views of the universe, I doubt that the resolution would've
been good enough to detect signs of extraterrestrial civilizations
anywhere.


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Coverup?
Date: 1 Mar 91 20:30:00 GMT


 > From: vm1.yorku.ca![e-mail]
 > Date: 1 Mar 91 02:19:07 GMT
 > Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 > Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >
 > From: User <[e-mail]>
 >
 > That was my initial reaction as well, but I must say that we are all a
 > bit
 > too much hyped up on the conspiracy factor.  IMHO, the government is
 > proceeding with a public education campaign, and not trying to cover it
 > all
 > up any more (they can't!).  Reason for this is that I called a friend up
 > who told me that (s)he was able to watch the entire show without any
 > interruptions, including the entire UFO segment.  (s)he did not get the
 > ABC Peter Jennings interruption (for the first time I was dismayed at
 > the
 > Gulf News 'update') and got to see the whole show.  Alas, my friend did
 > not
 > record the segment since (s)he believed I would do that anyway.

I agree that we are too hyped on the coverup scenario.  Too much,in fact, that
we are having a difficult time seeing the forest for the trees.  Fact is, we
do know that the Robertson Panel in the early '50s did recommend a public
education program along the lines of "debunking" the public reports.  Even
though there seems to be more coverage being given to UFOs, I am not convinced
that it is any different than it has been before.  I saw an article in my
local paper describing another Soviet UFO encounter where children were
involved in the sighting.  They described a pyramid-shaped object with the top
missing jumping in 15 foot increments across a grassy area.  The report goes
on to say that there were no landing traces found other than high magnetic
readings in the spot that the children described the object as being.  Sounds
so much like the report from last year which commanded so much media attention
- tall beings with a bump for a head and one eye accompanied by a robot.  The
ABC special which chronicled the Gulf Breeze affair was absolutely meaningless
since there is no way to reference or study the red light in the film.  For
all we know, someone could have been in a tree far off from the camera using a
flashlight with a red lense to increase the sensational value of the program.

As for the interruption, I did not see any break in the report.  The problem
that was reported was due to a delay in the satellite broadcast of the program
due to the various time zones in the United States.  It so happened, that the
person reporting the break in the program was in a location where Jennings did
an update at the time the program was airing.  I don't see any reason to
suspect that the program was being censored or blacked out.

 > Still, it P.O.es me off that they're STILL trying to keep this under
 > wraps...
 > even when we hear of 1995 as WW3, 2011 as DDay, etc...

What about 1995 as WW3, 2011 as DDay?  What evidence do we have that any of
this is true?

 > And the worst are those jerk scientists who not only try to disprove the
 > evidence, but - worse - make FUN OF the poor
 > victims/witnesses/researchers.

Could you please elaborate on this?  What jerk scientists?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Gbl We Love You
Date: 1 Mar 91 20:53:00 GMT


 > From: vm1.yorku.ca!YSCS1296
 > Date: 1 Mar 91 02:19:45 GMT
 > Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 > Newsgroups: info.paranet
 >
 > From: User <[e-mail]>

 > Then again, why hasn't the gov't censored this publishing company? or
 > will they start to, once this newsletter falls into their watchdog's paws?

I do not feel that there is enough evidence to demonstrate that the government
is interested in censoring UFO material as it is generated in the public
forum.  I will agree that they are interested in censoring material generated
within their own organizations, and perhaps there is good reason to do this
where national security is at stake.  Unfortunately, there is too much made
about this issue.  The line between what the government tells us about UFOs
and what they actually know is a very fine one.  They are concerned with
keeping order in the society and not allowing people to go off half-cocked on
these matters.

What we really should be concerned with is establishing some basic facts about
the enigma, aside from our personal belief systems, pursuing various avenues
of scientific research, and boiling this down to get to a reasonable way to
approach this subject.  Our preconceived ideas about this just are not
acceptable in research.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Lazar End.
Date: 28 Feb 91 01:39:00 GMT

> Rick Moen said with skeptical tongue in side of cheek;
>
>  > Whoa there, Don.  There's something _very wrong_ with
>  > accepting this form as evidence of anything at all.  I'll be very
>  > reassured if you aren't going to need me to tell you what that is, and

> What I did say was that we received a fax of the W-2 form
> in question. I did not say that we thought it was genuine.
> However, rest assured. . . . .  I am following up on it.

Hi Don.  While you're checking on the W-2, why not spend a couple of dimes
checking out Rick Moen?

I mean, do any of us REALLY know if HE exists?  A committee of
hydrophobic Mensa misfits could be writing this stuff, you know.

Cheers,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Keithly)
Subject: Kecksburg
Date: 3 Mar 91 04:49:00 GMT

Whatever happened to that UFO crash in Pennsylvania, last iheard it was a
Russian Satelite that crashed..   Any new Ideas..
                       Mike Keithly

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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: Lush & Hatoon
Date: 3 Mar 91 08:50:00 GMT

Quoting a message from Greg Lush (who seems to be impressed by
allegedly channelled information from a "Pleaiden" entity named
Hatoon) Jim Shaffer writes:

 >
 > +There was a reference to the year 1992.
 >
 > Obscure sources say the aliens (one species anyway) are
 > going to make
 > themselves known this year.  For what it's worth.
 >

Hi Jim!
As you and others here are well aware, the "Year Of Disclosure"
is always one or two years ahead of the year of such a prophecy,
as it has been for the past 25 years.  Someone should make a
point of getting back in touch with Greg Lush at the end of 1992,
when we are still awaiting The Disclosure, and ask him to pass
the word along to Hatoon that he should hold his Journals between
his legs.  :-)

One point that really grabbed me about this Hatoon dogma, was the
claim that these Space Brothers are from "our sister
constellation, the Pleaides."  Too bad the Space Brothers didn't
tell us what *our* constellation is, because noone here seems to
know.  Of course, whatever constellation the Sun is part of,
depends on one's vantage point in space.  Who knows?  To some
ETs, the Sun may appear as a herpes lesion on the lip of Virgo.
To others it may appear as a turd, falling from beneath the tail
of Leo.

Those who buy this Space Brother dogma may have overlooked the
fact that the Pleaides is NOT a constellation.  If the Space
Brothers knew anything about astronomy, they'd know that the
Pleaides would be more correctly described as an open cluster.
Why the Pleaides would be our "sister" *anything* also defies
explanation.  As I recall, it's about 410 light years away --
quite a distant relative!  Our Sun is a "yellow dwarf" while the
stars in the Pleaides are blue giants:  young, short-lived stars
which would bombard the entire vicinity of the cluster with
intense quantities of every type of deadly radiation.

I find it amusing that those who contrived this Hatoon crap saw
fit to include a bit of Cooperphilia.  They seem to have done a
good job at targeting their audience!
                                                  --  John

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: 'secrets' And Gulf Breeze
Date: 2 Mar 89 05:31:00 GMT

> Those who watched the ABC 'America's Best-kept Secrets'
> last night (25 Feb)
> will know whereof I speak. The show proceeded normally up
> to the segment
> on Gulf breeze, which was preceeded by a commercial break.
> Then, only a
> few seconds into the segment, it was wiped off the air  by
> an ABC News
> 'Gulf War Special Update'. Was this real Gulf War news? NO!


Well, maybe it *was* an attempt to keep a riveting sighting off the air.  Or
maybe it was a case of undiscriminating enthusiasm for any and all war news.

The editor-in-chief of Soldier of Fortune was recently heard to comment that
the Ryiadh briefings were being covered by 'a bunch of boobs and dorks that
couldn't even cover a fire.'

Here in N.Y. they break into radio coverage to cover, live, the most mundane
stuff from the Gulf.  I think they're afraid that the briefing they DON'T
cover will be the one announcing Saddam's Ascension.  Or Desension.

Any chance of a rebroadcase, I wonder?

Best,
  Clark

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******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************


                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 372

                            Tuesday, March 5th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                    replies
                                     (none)
                     NASA plans nuclear propulsion research
                                 MORE RANTINGS!!
                                 Re: Lazar end.
                  Belgium Update #2, military is hunting UFO's
                                    Coverup?
                                   Commander X
                                    Coverup?
                                  ALTERNATIVE 3
                                       Batman?
                                     Area 51
                                    Kecksburg
                               magnetic anomalies
                          Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
                              Tesla, Keely, et. al.
                              Tesla, Keely, Et. Al.
                          Hat Tunes from the Play-dees
                                 Re: Lazar End.

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From: vm1.yorku.ca!YSCS1296
Subject:      replies
Date: 3 Mar 91 22:18:04 GMT

From: User <[e-mail]>


Brief replies:
-
As to which 'jerk scientists', I'm just generally referring to people like
the one on this latest ABC best-kept-secrets episode, who made fun of the
'witnesses' psychology as requiring attention, etc.  Another example is
the scientist on the unsolved-mysteries mars-face show, referring to the
kermit-the-frog rock formation.  It really isn't simply the making-fun-of
people part, but the brushing aside of the situation into the realm of the
silly, absurd, and outrageously funny, instead of giving some of the UFO
witnesses/etc. some dignity - I mean, whether or not it's all UFOs or not,
is besides the point, because these people deserve at least to be listened
to and seeing UFOs or something they thought were UFOs does not mean they
are to be branded as weirdos (and it takes some guts to come forward).
Also, I recall an old documentary in which Carl Sagan himself, who used to
be a hero of mine in my more youthful days of Cosmos, and whatever else,
stated that there was 'not a smidgeon of evidence' for extra-terresterial
intelligence on Earth (and, for that matter, anywhere else).  Is that a
proper stance?  Not even a smidgeon?  Hmmmm... maybe anything less than
billions of billions is insignificant for Sagan (albeit him doing this
SETI thing on the side - probably to entertain the more insistent and/or
ignorant of the ET fans).
-
ASIDE:  Anyone know what's happened to the L5 society?  L5 is a group for
the advancement of space colonies technology.  How do they factor in to
the 'new and improved' UFO scenario/story?
-
As for the gov't covering up stuff... I did not mean the gov't only or in
a specific manner - I meant more a general 'higher authority' on Earth.
e.g., the Mars Face special that was taken off the air, and an edited
(read, CENSORED) version 'real soon now'; etc.  I don't believe there is
a sweeping and thorough, and strict coverup, but I do believe that there
is one to a certain extent, and not only confined within the parameters of
the gov't itself and its various arms (since there really aren't any such
parameters, except in the imagination and naievty of the general public).
-
Again, I hope we get to see this Hattonn stuff.
By the way, is it just recently that there is so much UFO material in the
media?  I mean more along the lines of pseudo-serious study of the subject
and not only 'Joe saw a UFO last night.  Now, in other news...'  And if
so, why now?  Why this past year?  Can we expect much more soon?




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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 4 Mar 91 02:22:26 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


First of all, I want to thank all those people who told me
that you love me in the last newsletter.  It's nice to know
that someone besides my mother loves me.

I have two comments.  First, no one in this newsgroup
has read any of the America West publications and further no
one in the newsgroup knows me in any way. I therefore find it impossible
to understand how one can call me gullible, another call the information
'dogma' (Webster: a point of view put forth as authoritative
without adequate grounds), or identify the information as false.
I guess I, in my ignorance, always considered it proper to read
something before deciding it false; silly me.

(If you want gullible, how about the people who think that we can
kill/maim/take prisoner hundreds of thousands of war-experienced
Iraqi soldiers while we suffer a couple dozen casualties.)

Second, if you don't want to read what I have to say, you needn't
expose yourself as a leaking hot air balloon.  Just ignore me, hit the
space bar or page button a time or two, and I will have mystically vanished.

Someone asked about how to get their info on the net or in this
newsletter.  America West was, a while ago, asking for volunteers
to post their newsletter.  I am not willing because I don't have
the time or the inclination--take that any way you like.  I don't
think that the place to start is with their newsletters as it would
be like reading and trying to understand the end of a textbook before
reading the beginning.  They have now 25 books
and over 100 newsletters.  I don't intend to type in by hand one of
their books.  If I find a section that can stand on its own and I
have some time, I'll type it in.  The reason behind this person's request was
anonymity.  This newsletter doesn't seem very anonymous to me.  Why not
call America West.  You won't be placed on any list.  Someone will write your
name on an envelope and send you their catalog.  If you won't do that
much because of fear, and this information is truth, 'they' (all around
bad guys, black hats, world planners, and all those other cliches) have
already won the battle.

America West HAS been censored (had you heard of them?) as no TV station
or national newspaper will accept their ads.  The Pleidians say that
the scribe (I did NOT call her a channelor nor a psychic) has been
killed (heart stopped) several times with 'beam weapons.'  They monitor
her constantly and can revive her.  That is an example of their
interfering if directly requested.  I heard
Dan Rather quote Boris Yeltzin once as saying, 'the KGB has beam weapons
that can stop my heart.'  Finally, Hatonn (not Hatoon!) said that the
World Planners have decided that the Truth is no longer a threat to them.
I have no argument with that point.  The Planners would not want
to censure to the point that people got interested in America West.

How to contact Hatonn?  You don't need an appointment.  You must go
to a quiet place where you can hear your inner voice.  Just call on
him.  I'm not saying he will appear in full 9 1/2 foot radiance; I'm
not saying he won't.  I think that is his choice.  You have to remember
that just because the response is not in the form that you expect/want,
that doesn't mean the response was not made.  Before you do, imagine
yourself cloaked in light.  Ask an honest question, and listen attentively
for the reply.  It's easy to call; it's admittedly harder to hear.

I will leave you with something to chew on.  I recall in my childhood
when watching the lunar modules returning to earth that they had to wait
a while for the module to cool while it was in water before opening.
Then, the astronauts had to be helped out of the module because
weightlessness had screwed up their bearings--they could not walk at all.

I was at Edward's Air Force base when the very first shuttle returned to
earth.  I remember the immediately captain bounding down the steps and
running all about the place like a gazelle.  Apparently, one of the
announcers on a network commented on his athleticism.  This same
announcer, a former astronaut or NASA person--in other words, a knowledgeable
person, commented when he first saw the shuttle, 'That doesn't look
like it's been in space!'

What does this mean?  I don't know; you tell me--but be gentle.  Remember
some people love me.

Greg


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From: vanth!jms
Subject: NASA plans nuclear propulsion research
Date: 4 Mar 91 06:16:25 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

I thought that this message, forwarded from Usenet, might be of interest to
everyone here:

+From: [e-mail] (Henry Spencer)
+Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
+Subject: space news from Jan 7 AW&ST
+Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
+Date: 25 Feb 91 01:33:10 GMT
+Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
+
+[...]
+
+NASA to establish a Nuclear Propulsion Systems Office at Lewis, as a
+joint project with DoE and DoD, to resume work in advanced propulsion.
+[About %$#$%#$%ing time!!!]  The official goal is a functional test
+engine by 2005 to support Moon/Mars efforts.  Both nuclear-thermal
+[classical nuclear rockets] and nuclear-electric [nuclear-powered
+ion thrusters] are being considered, and the choice will be made late
+this decade.  There will also be some funding for high-risk-high-payoff
+concepts like gaseous-core reactors.  NASA's last formal nuclear-rocket
+project died in 1973.
+
+[...]
+
+--
+'But this *is* the simplified version   | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
+for the general public.'     -S. Harris |  [e-mail]  utzoo!henry

--
*  From the disk of:  | [e-mail]       | 'Glittering prizes and
Jim Shaffer, Jr.      | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises
37 Brook Street       | [e-mail]    | shatter the illusion of
Montgomery, PA 17752  | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!'  (Rush)




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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: MORE RANTINGS!!
Date: 4 Mar 91 00:59:00 GMT

I am a child of the 60's. I remember very well the day Jack Kennedy
was shot, saw both Bob Kennedy and Martin Luther King in Arlington
Cemetery in 1965. I can remember seeing the Beatles on Ed Sullivan
when they first came to the states in 1964. I liked the 'Doors',
Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and even Harry Chapin. I survived the
dawning of the 'Age of Aquarius', went to Viet Nam, came home and
waited for the Nam to wear off.

I never experimented with psychedelics--I never dropped acid, and
if I felt the need to take a trip, I found a willing girl of like
mind, ingested a quart of tequila, and tripped. After Nam I doubted
the reality of God, then I heard about Watergate and doubted the
reality of my government. When the channeling craze started, I
looked at it and figured that it was just a re-hash of the
spiritualism from the last century, and decided that if someone
wanted me to channel, I would buy cable, it was probably cheaper.
I do not eat curds, bark at the moon or listen to much that comes
from Sedona, Arizona. However . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

In the UFO field, some trash, similar to something, oh- say like
herpes, ends up being the gift that keeps on giving. . . . . .
several issues of UFO ago, I started the 'Whistleblower' series,
and examined Milton "Bill" Cooper. Unlike many folks who Cooper has
dazzled, I and a few other old timers from ParaNet 'knew' Cooper
since he first hit the 'airwaves' here on ParaNet back in 1988.
Cooper's story kept changing like the weather in Denver, and after
a not too long period of time, the old Administrator, Jim Speiser,
had enough of Milty and gave him the boot.

Cooper's brand of paranoia encompasses the 'dark side' of ufology,
claiming to have seen documents way back when. . . . ol Milt was in
Navy Intelligence. Seems like, according to Milty, the little grey
critters, ( or was it green? ) were responsible for everything from
drugs in the USA, to high oil prices, the murder of a president,
Bill Moore, the CIA, and I guess by extension, maybe even me and
UFO Magazine. You see, even though Cooper had not one shred of any
type of evidence what so ever for anything he raved about, you
either took him at his word, or like me, were an agent of the
imperial government, the CIA, or were just flat out a Communist!!

Now, on to New Age. If there were ever a contradiction in ideas,
Cooper's brand of UFOlogy had meant the New Age * * * and they
loved him in Sedona. Now I always figured that the New Agers were
into peace, love, light, brussel sprouts, chanting things like
"Free Huey", singing old Dylan songs, and listening to what Baba
Ram had to say. Space Brothers were here to save us from us, and
crystals are good. Well . . . . . .

A couple of Sedona guru's named Michael and Aurora El-Legion, that
are into the Ashtray Command, Semi and Full - ase ( from the
Pleiades ) Crystal Power Demonstrations, New Age Diets, and
Intergalactic Tours, ( all out of Sedona by the way ) discovered
Cooper and really got p.o.ed by the two part Cooper expose. As it
happens, they also do a column for the Omega New Age Directory. The
content of their column for February was inflammatory to say the
least. The editor of this paper called UFO and interviewed Vicki
Cooper for their 2/91 issue. that follows this little ranting. What
is really interesting however is how they arrive at the conclusion
that UFO Mag is a CIA front, ( according to the El-Legions they
have their reasons ) and that Milty Cooper is honest, upright, red
blooded and all American. They are also shocked that James Bo
Gritz, the former Green Beret Lt. Col. that sent a letter to UFO
complaining about Milt Cooper must have been pressured by the CIA
to make these unfounded accusations. At anyrate. . . . .

Maybe they should stick to 'Telepathic Channeled messages for the
audience', or 'Channeled Readings for the Star People', all paid
for advertising by the way for the El-Legions out of the Omega New
Age Directory', and leave the UFO investigations to other people
more qualified.

For your reading enjoyment....

El-Legions take sides in UFO ROW

   In  their column UFO  Update  this
month, Michael and Aurora  El-Legion
bring up the controversy that exists
between UFO researcher William
Cooper and UFO Magazine.
    Cooper  has  brought  to  national
attention a number of formerly Top
Secret documents that indicate that
the government is involved in some
sort of cover-up concerning UFOs and
Aliens.
     UFO Magazine is a nationally
recognized UFO publication that has
always been seen by other publishers
as moderate and objective in its
reporting.
    Recently, Cooper has taken
objection to some of the reports
appearing in the magazine concerning
him. He has made statements accusing
it of being a tool of the CIA.
    In  their  column the El-Legions
have expressed Cooper's views about
UFO Magazine, that it was "set up by
the CIA to keep tabs on what is going
on in the UFO movement and to create
 confusion through misinformation"'
     Vickie Cooper (no relation) editor
 of UFO Magazine, was contacted by
 the Omega New Age Directory. She
 agrees that disinformation is a tactic
 used by intelligence agencies to
 discredit the UFO movement, but says
 that is William Cooper who is causing
 the harm.
      "Anyone  who pays close attention
to the information issuing from
individuals such as William  Cooper."
says Vickie Cooper, "will see clearly-
that he is doing what he accuses UFO
Magazine of doing, which is to mix
pertinent information with complete,
unabashed lies.
    "What that does is effectively-
dilute not only the information people
should be paying attention to, but
effectively discounts all of UFOlogy
and the UFO subject in the eyes of the
general public. This is an effective
tactic of disinformation that has been
used by a number of paid experts in
the intelligence and counter-intel-
ligence Community according to many
fine journalists who have tried to
expose the secret government."
    In their column, the El-Legions
also address a letter written to UFO
Magazine by Bo Gritz.   Criticizing
William Cooper. They find it surprising
and wonder if Gritz was pressured into
writing it.
     Vickie Cooper agrees with Gritz's
criticism when he said of William
Cooper, "He's hurting the credibility'
and honestly of sincere researchers at
a time when we are facing a true peril
from within."
      Further, says Ms. Cooper, "If
Michael and Aurora El-Legion and
others who claim to do good work in
the  UFO field cannot see and act on
the truth of that, they are only adding
to the problem."
  I wouldn't expect Vickie Cooper
to say anything else," commented
Aurora El-Legion. "Of course, she
supports the position of her magazine."'
     The El-Legions steadfastly
maintain that, despite reports and
rumors undermining either side in this
issue, they remain among the many
who support  William Cooper, "I think
Cooper is honest and for real, a man of
high integrity," says Aurora El-Legion.
"If I ever see anything that proves
otherwise, I will change my opinion."
    The El-Legions feel that Ms.
Cooper is not competent to speak  on
the subject of  UFOs because she had
no background in UFO research before
she began  publishing UFO Magazine.
    Supporters of UFO Magazine claim
that because she had no background
in research, she was not committed to
one position or another, and is thus a
very impartial publisher.

The End.

--
Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Rick Moen)
Subject: Re: Lazar end.
Date: 2 Mar 91 05:48:11 GMT

> Rick Moen said with skeptical tongue in side of cheek;
>
>  > Whoa there, Don.  There's something _very wrong_ with
>  > accepting this
>  > form as evidence of anything at all.  I'll be very
>  > reassured if you
>  > aren't going to need me to tell you what that is, and
>  > can/will let the
>  > echo know, instead of leaving us with the implication
>  > that it
>  > constitutes actual evidence.
>
> Whoa there Rick. I do not recall saying ANY SUCH THING. What
> I did say was that we received a fax of the W-2 form in
> question. I did not say that we thought it was genuine.
> However, rest assured. . . . .  I am following up on it.

My point was, Don, that you don't need to follow up on it.
There's a very good reason not to accept a W-2 (as opposed
to, say, a bank photocopy of a deposited pay cheque) as evidence.
Do you know why, or would you like me to explain?

(God, I love keeping people in suspense. <grin>)

Best Regards,
Rick M.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Andre Eichner)
Subject: Belgium Update #2, military is hunting UFO's
Date: 28 Feb 91 11:46:00 GMT

Hi Michael!

 >    Suddenly the two fighters spotted the intruder on their  radar
 > screens, appearing like a little bee dancing on the scope.  Using
 > their  joy  sticks  like a video game,  the  pilots  ordered  the
 > onboard  computers to pursue the target. As soon as  lock-on  was
 > achieved,  the target appeared on the screen as a diamond  shape,
 > telling the pilots that from that moment on the F-16s will remain
 > tracking the object automatically. On the screen is indicated the
 > object's position, distance and speed. The object was very  close
 > to the fighters.

 >    The  pilot  did not even have time to  start  this  procedure,
 > which requires the fighter's radar to stay locked on for at least
 > six  seconds.  But  the object had speeded  up  from  an  initial
 > velocity  of  280 KPH to 1,800 KPH, while descending  from  3,000
 > meters   to   1,700  meters...in  one  second!   This   fantastic
I think, the UFO has seen, that the fighter-pilot has locked his radar and
the know wath this mean. They must think that the pilot are launching his
missiles after six secounds. I as the UFO's commander did the same:
escape.
This is the fact that UFO's avoid to contact us!
Many films show, what military do with aliens...

cheers
   Andre

--
Andre Eichner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Coverup?
Date: 3 Mar 91 18:57:00 GMT


 > perhaps
 > the interruption was a specified censor of various parts of the
 > country's
 > networks, so to reduce the number of viewers

  Doubtful. I suspect you'd find that ABC broke into programming at
the same time (GMT or UTC) but it was only in the East that the
Secrets show was on.

                                           jbh

--
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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Commander X
Date: 3 Mar 91 18:58:01 GMT


 > This is probably an old subject, but does anybody have any
 > concrete
 > information on this 'Commander X' person who wrote a book for
 > Inner Light
 > Publications?

  It's not concrete, but I believe Commander X is Timothy Green
Beckley of UFO Universe and also Inner Light.

                                           jbh

--
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UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Coverup?
Date: 3 Mar 91 19:01:02 GMT


 >   The ABC
 > special which chronicled the Gulf Breeze affair was absolutely
 > meaningless since there is no way to reference or study the red
 > light in the film.  For all we know, someone could have been in
 > a tree far off from the camera using a flashlight with a red
 > lense to increase the sensational value of the program.

  I got to see the war news (or lack thereof). ;-)
  Anyway, according to the GB Sentinel, quite a few independent
witnesses saw the red light at the same time. This incident was
preceded by a couple of other similar sighting (within a week or so).

                                           jbh

--
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From: [e-mail] (Don Allen)
Subject: ALTERNATIVE 3
Date: 4 Mar 91 06:49:01 GMT


 * Replying to a message originally to All

 hh> From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked
 hh> Date: 28 Feb 91 14:18:39 GMT
 hh> Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
 hh> Newsgroups: info.paranet
 hh>
 hh> From: Mike Dobbs <[e-mail]>
 hh>
 hh> A friend of mine showed me a video tape of a TV show that
 hh> was shown on
 hh> the BBC in June of 1976.  It was called ALTERNATIVE 3.  The
 hh> show
 hh> appears to be a documentary about scientists mysteriously
 hh> disappearing
 hh> from England, a joint US/Russian covert space program
 hh> complete with a
 hh> base on the moon, and lots of other wild stuff.  Does
 hh> anybody have
 hh> documented proof that this show was a hoax?  I have heard
 hh> rumors to
 hh> that affect but nothing substantial.  Also I would like to
 hh> write the
 hh> BBC to get their statement about the show. Can someone
 hh> please provide
 hh> me with an address.  Thanks.
 hh>

This has probably been beat to death, but I dug this up the other
day:
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                     Placed in the public domain from the
                 VANGARD SCIENCES archives on October 28 1989.
            Our mailing address is PO BOX 1031, Mesquite, TX 75150.
              Voice phone (Jerry 214-324-8741...Ron 214-484-3189
                            KeelyNet [phone]


                         The Truth about Alternative 3
                        from its author, Leslie Watkins

             (This article is taken from the Windwords newsletter)
                             address not available


   In our June   issue,   we   told  you  about  the  controversial  book
   Alternative 3, by British author Leslie  Watkins.   In  out attempt to
   find out if  the shocking theories in the book were  true,  we  called
   Avon Books, the  American  publisher;  they  said  the book was out of
   print in the states.  We called Penguin Books in London and found that
   it was listed on their NON-FICTION  list.   A senior editor there told
   us that it was officially classified as FICTION BASED ON FACT.  The
   author's agent told us it was most definitely fiction.  We wrote to
   the author himself to try to get the real story, and here is the
   letter he sent us.


   Dear Ms. Dittrich:

   Thank you for your letter, which reached me today.  Naturally, I am
   delighted by your interest in Alternative 3 and by the fact that you
   plan to sell it in the Windwords bookstore.  I will certainly
   cooperate in any way I can.


   The correct description of Alternative 3 was given to you by the
   representative from Penguin Books.  The book is based on fact, but
   uses that fact as a launchpad for a HIGH DIVE INTO FICTION.  In answer
   to your specific questions:


      1)  There is no astronaut named Grodin.
      2)  There is no Sceptre Television and the reported Benson is also
          fictional.
      3)  There is no Dr. Gerstein.
      4)  Yes, a "documentary" was televised in June 1977 on Anglia
          Television, which went out to the entire national network in
          Britain.  It was called Alternative 3 and was written by David
          Ambrose and produced by Christopher Miles (whose names were on
          the book for contractual reasons).  This original TV version,
          which I EXPANDED IMMENSELY for the book, was ACTUALLY A HOAX
          which had been scheduled for transmission on April Fools' Day.
          Because of certain problems in finding the right network slot,
          the transmission was delayed.

   The TV program did cause a tremendous uproar because viewers refused
   to believe it was fiction.  I initially took the view that the basic
   premise was so way-out, particularly the way I aimed to present it in
   the book, that no one would regard it as non-fiction.  Immediately
   after publication, I realized I was totally wrong.  In fact, the
   amazing mountains of letters from virtually all parts of the world-
   including vast numbers from highly intelligent people in positions of
   responsibility-convinced me that I had ACCIDENTALLY trespassed into a
   range of top-secret truths.

   Documentary evidence provided by many of these correspondents decided
   me to write a serious and COMPLETELY NON-FICTION sequel.
   Unfortunately, a chest containing the bulk of the letters was among
   the items which were mysteriously LOST IN TRANSIT some four years when
   I moved from London, England, to Sydney, Australia, before I moved on
   to settle in New Zealand.  For some time after Alternative 3 was
   originally published, I have reason to suppose that my home telephone
   was being tapped and my contacts who were experienced in such matters
   were convinced that certain intelligence agencies considered that I
   probably knew too much.

   So, summing up, the book is FICTION BASED ON FACT.  But I now feel
   that I inadvertently got VERY CLOSE TO A SECRET TRUTH.  I hope this is
   of some help to you and I look forward to hearing from you again.

   With best wishes,
   Leslie Watkins

   Unfortunately, Alternative 3 is no longer available.   We  (Windwords)
   bought all the  remaining  copies from the British publisher and those
   quickly sold out.  If the book is reprinted, you can be sure we'll let
   you know and we'll carry it in the Windwords bookstore.
--
Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422
UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name
INTERNET: [e-mail]



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From: vm1.yorku.ca!YSCS1296
Subject:      Batman?
Date: 4 Mar 91 22:25:01 GMT

From: User <[e-mail]>


I wonder how many of you watched HARD COPY's segment on the 'solution'
to all those UFO sightings of late?
Anyway to recap, the 'solution' was that the movie cameras could show the
UFOs by zooming in, and focussing out.  The 'bat symbol' appears in all
such instances.
My gripe is that just because the picture turns out like that, which is
not surprising since the folks filming the UFOs probably can't determine
the exact distance to focus onto (ditto for the auto focus mechanism),
and just because all the films turn out similarly (they discounted the
witness who saw a TRIANGULAR UFO - attributed to Aurora Project), does not
mean that the object itself (as distinct from the picture image) is to be
likewise negated as batman's symbol because there had to be SOMETHING for
the camera to be filming... regardless of image outcome.
Just my two bits.




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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Area 51
Date: 5 Mar 91 06:22:26 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

Prior to the showing of 'America's Best-Kept Secrets', there were rumors
that there would be a segment covering Area 51.  Does anyone know what
happened to this, or were the rumors just that -- rumors?

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: Kecksburg
Date: 5 Mar 91 06:23:13 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

+From: [e-mail] (Mike Keithly)
+Subject: Kecksburg
+Date: 3 Mar 91 04:49:00 GMT
+
+Whatever happened to that UFO crash in Pennsylvania, last iheard it was a
+Russian Satelite that crashed..   Any new Ideas..

Last I heard, there was *speculation* it could've been a Russian space
capsule.  If you've heard any evidence for it, I'd love to hear it.  (There
was also a story that nobody in town believes in it and they tried to tell
the UM crew but they wouldn't listen.)

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: magnetic anomalies
Date: 5 Mar 91 06:23:59 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

+From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
+Subject: Coverup?
+Date: 1 Mar 91 20:30:00 GMT
+
+          I saw an article in my
+local paper describing another Soviet UFO encounter where children were
+involved in the sighting.  They described a pyramid-shaped object with the top
+missing jumping in 15 foot increments across a grassy area.  The report goes
+on to say that there were no landing traces found other than high magnetic
+readings in the spot that the children described the object as being.

This is something that has been bothering me for a long time: extraordinary
magnetic anomalies found at the site of UFO landings.  Unless there's a
ridiculous amount of iron in the ground, how could a UFO leave any
magnetism behind?  The only thing I can think of would be for the
fundamental structure of the atoms making up the ground to be changed.
That's a rather large effect, and something that should be easy to
identify!  The only other explanation I can think of involves the UFO
leaving some sort of 'impression' of itself in the aether.  This of course
would require that the aether exist in the first place, which is something
that isn't accepted by mainstream science.

Anybody else want to take a shot at this?

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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
Date: 4 Mar 91 18:54:00 GMT

Thanks, John, for the reply <g> about the Isaacs show and UFO programs.
 If we keep this up with delays between messages and both of us reading
so many, neither of us will have any idea what the other is talking
about! :-)
        Seriously, though, thanks for the answer!
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Tesla, Keely, et. al.
Date: 4 Mar 91 16:58:00 GMT


 > +The Pleidians explain that psychic phenomena and all that is
 > +attached with it, such as remote viewing, is just simple
 > physics.
 > +The receiving of this material is not mystical or channeling.
 > +It is physics that the general populace knows nothing about,
 > but
 > +is really quite simple to them (obviously).  Nikola Tesla
 > developed
 > +an understanding of much of this, but the bad guys (whoever
 > THEY are)
 > +got to him, and have hidden a lot of his work.
 >
 > I have been reading quite a bit about this, and also about a
 > man named
 > Keely who was apparently on the trail of the same sort of
 > thing as Tesla,
 > but involving SOUND instead of electromagnetism.  Keely also
 > unfortunately
 > expressed everything in his own unique terminology instead of
 > conventional
 > scientific terms, so his work is inaccessible and frankly
 > looks like a
 > bunch of nonsense to the uninitiated.


Hi Jim.  Actually Tesla wasn't quite as far removed from Keely's
ideas as it might appear on the surface.

Keely propounded "sympathetic vibratory physics", and theorized in
terms of "sound".  Tesla, interestingly, said that "sound, radio,
and electromagnetic radiation were all extensions of the same thing"
in the 1920s.  This was one of the things that finally made him a
laughingstock in the scientific community.

Perhaps they were on to the same thing?  Worth noting that there is
much anecdotal evidence for Keely's devices, but we can't test them
today.  Supposedly his "airship" is in Chicago somewhere --
interesting to get hold of THAT, wouldn't you say?

 > However, I'm not sure that Tesla's ideas were *actively*
 > surpressed so much
 > as they were *passively* surpressed.  That is, as I said
 > above, a certain
 > type of person seems to be resistant to learning new ideas,
 > and resultantly
 > fearful of them, much as the opposite type of person revels in
 > new ideas.
 > It could also have something to do with the fact that Tesla
 > didn't have
 > enough money to complete his research.  Regardless, I think
 > the problem is
 > largely simple ignorance rather than suppression.  How many
 > people, for
 > example, have actually seen a bladeless turbine in use?  How
 > many, for that
 > matter, know that such a thing even exists?  And that it's
 > more efficient
 > and safer than conventional turbines?
 >


Well, I don't know if Tesla turbines are safer than conventional
ones because of the stresses involved.  Models are much more
efficient, however.  There's a fellow on KeelyNet who's building
one, you know.

As to "suppression" of Tesla's work, I think it was "suppressed" by
people who had interests in his earlier work.  Or in their own
patents.  Edison did his best to discredit Tesla -- he was a
scurrilous old dog, was Edison.  And Westinghouse, after buying
Tesla's AC patents for $1 million, might be forgiven for refusing to
fund wireless transmission of free electrical power...

As to the psychic components of all this, mentioned in your message,
check out the Keely Files MIND1-8 and VEDA.  They're about this
stuff, including direct brain stimulation via microwave,
electromagnetism, etc.  One of them is by Persinger, whose
electrical football helmet produced repeatable phychic results in
Montreal.

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Tesla, Keely, Et. Al.
Date: 5 Mar 91 05:24:00 GMT

If some of those files aren't too lengthy, you might want to post some of the
more interesting ones here in the conference.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: Hat Tunes from the Play-dees
Date: 5 Mar 91 08:45:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO"
 * Originally from John Burke
 * Originally dated 03-05-91  1:40

Gregory B. Lush writes:

 >
 > I have two comments.  First, no one in this newsgroup
 > has read any of the America West publications and further
 > no
 > one in the newsgroup knows me in any way. I therefore find
 > it impossible
 > to understand how one can call me gullible, another call
 > the information
 > 'dogma' (Webster: a point of view put forth as
 > authoritative
 > without adequate grounds), or identify the information as
 > false.
 > I guess I, in my ignorance, always considered it proper to
 > read
 > something before deciding it false; silly me.

That's like saying that one must go swimming in a cesspool because the sense of
smell provides insufficient data for making a decision on where to bathe.
BTW, the claim that the Pleaides is "our sister constellation" would make a
wonderful example to be included (for illustrative purposes) in Webster's
definition of "dogma".

 >
 > (If you want gullible, how about the people who think that
 > we can
 > kill/maim/take prisoner hundreds of thousands of war-
 > experienced
 > Iraqi soldiers while we suffer a couple dozen casualties.)

I'm not sure what you're getting at here.  It sounds like the "we never sent
men to the moon" perspective is now being applied to the Gulf War.  Someone
better tell Bill Cooper!

 >
 > Second, if you don't want to read what I have to say, you
 > needn't
 > expose yourself as a leaking hot air balloon.  Just ignore
 > me, hit the
 > space bar or page button a time or two, and I will have
 > mystically vanished.

Oh, you'd *love* that wouldn't you!  Hatoonism could be broadcast loud and
clear without the "static" of rational scrutiny.

Now I know how Rick Moen feels:  Dare to question the basis for "Space Brother"
dogma and expect an _ad hominem_ attack in return!

 >  The Pleidians
 > say that
 > the scribe (I did NOT call her a channelor nor a psychic)
 > has been
 > killed (heart stopped) several times with 'beam weapons.'

Sorry to hear that!

 > Finally, Hatonn (not Hatoon!)  . . .

Oops!  I'll get it right for the Christmas card!
                                                    --  John

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From: [e-mail] (Don Ecker)
Subject: Re: Lazar End.
Date: 5 Mar 91 06:34:00 GMT

Clark Matthews said;

 > Hi Don.  While you're checking on the W-2, why not
 > spend a couple of dimes checking out Rick Moen?

I did and. . . . .
>
 > I mean, do any of us REALLY know if HE exists?  A
 > committee of hydrophobic Mensa misfits could be
 > writing this stuff, you know.


Nope, I found out he was a "Kloned Klass" and sent to
Frisco!!  Grin

Don

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 373

                            Thursday, March 7th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                    Kecksburg
                           Re: Paranet Newsletter 372
                           Philadelphia meteor 4/5/91
                               Haaton stuff, etc.
                               Haaton Stuff, Etc.
                        fireball report (few details yet)
                              Tesla, Keely, et. al.
               censorship, beam weapons, psychics, and spaceflight
                           Re: Paranet Newsletter 372
                           Philadelphia Meteor 4/5/91
                     Nasa Plans Nuclear Propulsion Research
                                 Long Island UFO
                              Tesla, Keely, Et. Al.
                           Resonant Gravity Coil Pt.1
                           Resonant Gravity Coil Pt.2
                           Resonant Gravity Coil Pt.3
                           Resonant Gravity Coil Pt.4

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Kecksburg
Date: 4 Mar 91 17:11:01 GMT


 > Whatever happened to that UFO crash in Pennsylvania, last iheard
 > it was a Russian Satelite that crashed..

  Most likely not. Stan Gordon said that witnesses said it's speed and
trajectory changed as it descended.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 372
Date: 6 Mar 91 16:23:12 GMT

From: ac.dal.ca!MCLARKE Tue Mar  5 21:45:53 1991

Regarding the magnetic anomalies present on the ground after UFO
sitings, one would think that atmospheric magnetic and gravitational
field anomalies should be monitored on a large scale.

Mike

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From: astro.dnet.ge.com!CARR
Subject: Philadelphia meteor 4/5/91
Date: 6 Mar 91 17:46:57 GMT

From: Paul Carr <[e-mail]>

I heard on the news this morning that a large colorful fireball went
right over Philadelphia last night.  They didn't give a specific time.
Someone in the control tower at PHL called it 'The Mother of all Meteors.'

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From: unhh.unh.edu!K_MACARTHUR
Subject: Haaton stuff, etc.
Date: 6 Mar 91 20:49:24 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Korac MacArthur)

 Well, I was too amused to be scared, so I ordered the catalog.  I
hope I don't get on the 'New Age Junk Mail List', but I gave it a read with
an open mind.   It is a very interesting bunch of descriptions of the manuals
you can buy (for 10.00 apiece, discount rates for more than 4).  From some of
the wording, however, it sounds like the guy's name is Hate-On.   There are a
couple of the 80 to 110 page manuscripts that deal with such topics as
'Zionist world takeovers', "Faked scud attacks on Israel" and George Bush's
'Secret Constitution' ala trilaterals, etc (that may be true, there is enough
barely plausible facts mingled in to spark much paranoia).   From the ranting
anti-semetic tone, and the desire to have a govt. 'as the founders of the
constitution intended under God's law', as well as subtle attacks on the
Brittish govt, it sounds to me like a slightly New Age version of the pap that
Lyndon LaRouche and his 'New Federalist' gay bashing, jew hating white people's
party has been spouting of late.   The substantiating material for the claim
of gay bashing is a volume that has how 'Sodomy reduced the immune system' and
'AIDS is the last great plague of the Earth' or some such items.  Talked about
how there will be concentration camps in the US, how we will see stuff like in
Russia (removing large bills from the economy, then going plastic, which may
happen regardless of who is in charge).

 Before the true believers blitz me with flames, you may ask ' How can
you claim to have given it a read with an open mind, when you obviously have
anti-Haaton sentiment?'   I don't hate anybody, I truly read the material I
received, and evaluated it with the idea of looking for substantiating proof
within the literature, there was none, and I was not about to shell out 10.00
each to look further.   The initial claims made were, in my opinion only,
a new age slant to a very old game ----- hate mongering and duping the weak
minded out of their money as well.  If these people aren't already hooked into
Lyndon LaRouche's political machine, it wouldn't suprise me if they soon do,
their statements are that similar.  Don't believe me?  Call that 800 number for
yourself, order the catalog.  Make them pay 0.52 to mail it and satisfy your
curiousity.    Let me know what you think of it when you get it.

   Best Regards,

    K.M.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Haaton Stuff, Etc.
Date: 7 Mar 91 04:25:00 GMT


 > From: [e-mail] (Korac MacArthur)

 >         Before the true believers blitz me with flames, you may ask '
 > How can you claim to have given it a read with an open mind, when you
 > obviously have anti-Haaton sentiment?' I don't hate anybody, I truly read the
 > material I received, and evaluated it with the idea of looking for
 > substantiating proof within the literature, there was none, and I was not
 > about to shell out 10.00 each to look further. The initial claims made were,
 > in my opinion only,
 > a new age slant to a very old game ----- hate mongering and duping the weak
 > minded out of their money as well.  If these people aren't already hooked
 > into Lyndon LaRouche's political machine, it wouldn't suprise me if they soon
 > do, their statements are that similar.  Don't believe me?  Call that 800
 > number for yourself, order the catalog.  Make them pay 0.52 to mail it and
 > satisfy your curiousity.  Let me know what you think of it when you get it.
 >

Amen!

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: fireball report (few details yet)
Date: 7 Mar 91 08:20:35 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

(and now for something completely different)

I just heard on the local news at noon that a huge fireball with a
'reddish-green' (whatever that is!) trail was seen from Philadelphia to New
York this morning, apparently lasting for about six seconds.

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From: vanth!amix.commodore.com!jms
Subject: Tesla, Keely, et. al.
Date: 7 Mar 91 08:21:21 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

+From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
+
+Perhaps they were on to the same thing?  Worth noting that there is
+much anecdotal evidence for Keely's devices, but we can't test them
+today.  Supposedly his 'airship' is in Chicago somewhere --
+interesting to get hold of THAT, wouldn't you say?

Yes it would be interesting.  I wasn't trying to say that I think Keely was
full of it, only that his writing style (which I don't pretend to
understand) makes him certainly look like it.

+Well, I don't know if Tesla turbines are safer than conventional ones
+because of the stresses involved.  Models are much more efficient,
+however. There's a fellow on KeelyNet who's building one, you know.

I read one file on the Tesla BBS that claimed that they were safer because
if one of the discs broke up it would be swept out the exhaust port rather
than flying through the sides of the unit.  Now that I think about it, that
doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  But it also said that they could be run
at very high speeds without breaking up.

+As to the psychic components of all this, mentioned in your message,
+check out the Keely Files MIND1-8 and VEDA.  They're about this
+stuff, including direct brain stimulation via microwave,
+electromagnetism, etc.  One of them is by Persinger, whose
+electrical football helmet produced repeatable phychic results in
+Montreal.

I read the Veda file and thought it was interesting philosophically, but I
wish we had some evidence that all these things in the ancient writings
actually existed.

The last I heard, Persinger was a skeptic and the object of his
helmet was to demonstrate that certain phenomena were hallucinations caused
by geo-piezo-electrically-generated EM acting on the brain.  I even heard
he induced an alien abduction experience.  (It wouldn't account for those
that leave implants or scars, of course!)  Do you mean that he induced
something that was proveably not the result of the subject's own mind?  (I
guess I should get those files.  I've got to call the Vangard board one of
these days and see what they're up to down there, too.)


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From: vanth!jms
Subject: censorship, beam weapons, psychics, and spaceflight
Date: 7 Mar 91 08:22:53 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

+From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
+
+America West HAS been censored (had you heard of them?) as no TV station
+or national newspaper will accept their ads.  The Pleidians say that

That's the decision of the TV stations and newspapers.  They have the right
to make that decision. (I only wish they'd refuse all the astrology crap
and the explosion of Apocalyptic interpretations of Nostradamus.)

+the scribe (I did NOT call her a channelor nor a psychic) has been

Nor did you explain the difference, even when asked.  I propose that there
is none.  I don't necessarily mean that in a derogatory way, but see about
four paragraphs down for what I do mean.

+killed (heart stopped) several times with 'beam weapons.'  They monitor
+her constantly and can revive her.  That is an example of their
+interfering if directly requested.  I heard
+Dan Rather quote Boris Yeltzin once as saying, 'the KGB has beam weapons
+that can stop my heart.'

Can you give any reference for this quote?  It's very interesting if true,
but it needs to be tracked down.  (I have also heard [from an unidentified
source!] that the CIA can cancel out your brain waves. I don't consider it
technically possible, especially in the manner it was described [via a
'bug' in a telephone receiver.])  Perhaps you could cause nervous system
effects with some sort of radio waves. I'm not a physicist, or a
biologist.  But I suspect it would have to be very strong to work from any
sort of distance.


+How to contact Hatonn?  You don't need an appointment.  You must go
+to a quiet place where you can hear your inner voice. Just call on
+him.  I'm not saying he will appear in full 9 1/2 foot radiance; I'm
+not saying he won't.  I think that is his choice.  You have to remember
+that just because the response is not in the form that you expect/want,
+that doesn't mean the response was not made.  Before you do, imagine
+yourself cloaked in light.  Ask an honest question, and listen attentively
+for the reply.  It's easy to call; it's admittedly harder to hear.

A fairly standard practice.  But to get back to the point I've tried to
make several times now, how do you know that anything you experience isn't
merely coming from your own subconscious (i.e., a kind of waking dream.)
PLEASE note, I'm *not* questioning the existence of psychic phenomena, and
I'm *not* questioning the value of meditation as a spiritual exercise,
and I'm *not* arguing 'psychic' vs "scalar wave receiver" vs "quantum
interconnectedness', I'm asking 'How do you know a true psychic vision from
a product of your own (conscious or unconscious) mind?'  I've met some
neo-pagans who acknowledge that not everything that you perceive in an
altered state of consciousness is necessarily psychic, but there are far
more New Age people who seem to take everything as Gospel (pardon the mixed
religions.)


+I will leave you with something to chew on.  I recall in my childhood
+when watching the lunar modules returning to earth that they had to wait
+a while for the module to cool while it was in water before opening.
+Then, the astronauts had to be helped out of the module because
+weightlessness had screwed up their bearings--they could not walk at all.
+
+I was at Edward's Air Force base when the very first shuttle returned to
+earth.  I remember the immediately captain bounding down the steps and
+running all about the place like a gazelle.  Apparently, one of the
+announcers on a network commented on his athleticism. This same
+announcer, a former astronaut or NASA person--in other words, a knowledgeable
+person, commented when he first saw the shuttle, 'That doesn't look
+like it's been in space!'

I think I can squash this line of speculation before it gets anywhere. The
shuttle has heat-resistant tiles on it.  They dissipate the heat *very*
fast.  And you're right, they don't burn and thus don't show signs of
re-entry.  I'm not saying this because it's what NASA says, I'm saying it
because I've seen it demonstrated about 10 feet in front of me!  A man held
a torch to one of the tiles until it was glowing red, then in little more
time than it took to shut off the torch and set it down, he held the heated
side of the tile against his bare hand.  No burns!  No oxidation of the
tile either, despite glowing red.  (And it quit glowing red the instant he
removed the torch.)  I suspect that whoever made the 'doesn't look like
it's been in space' comment meant it as a *compliment* for the shuttle's
fine technology.

The capsules that came back from the moon were a different story.  I don't
know what they were made out of, but they looked like they were bare metal
on the top.  There's a heat shield on the bottom (the side that comes in
first, to slow it down by simple aerodynamics) and although I don't know
what it was made of either, I believe that it actually did partially burn
away.  But for all their screw-ups, don't think for a second that NASA
couldn't have invented one good thing in ten years!

As for the effects of weightlessness:  First, on the shuttle you can move
around and exercise.  On the lunar capsules you just had to sit there.
Even though there's no gravity in either case, I think just moving around
would help to prevent getting your bearings screwed up.  If I'm wrong,
correct me, but that's not my main point anyway.  My main point is that
although I've never seen a shuttle landing in person and I don't remember
much of seeing it on TV, I doubt that anyone immediately came bounding out
of it when it landed.  Don't they have to check the thing for hydrazine
before they let the astronauts come out?  It's deadly in very small
quantities, you know.  I think they'd have time to get out of their seats
and get re-oriented to gravity before leaving.


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 372
Date: 7 Mar 91 00:18:00 GMT


 > From ac.dal.ca!MCLARKE Tue Mar  5 21:45:53 1991
 >
 > Regarding the magnetic anomalies present on the ground after UFO
 > sitings, one would think that atmospheric magnetic and gravitational
 > field anomalies should be monitored on a large scale.

How would this be done?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Philadelphia Meteor 4/5/91
Date: 7 Mar 91 00:19:00 GMT


 > From: Paul Carr <[e-mail]>
 >
 > I heard on the news this morning that a large colorful fireball went
 > right over Philadelphia last night.  They didn't give a specific time.
 > Someone in the control tower at PHL called it 'The Mother of all
 > Meteors.'

Sure have been a lot of those lately.  Are you investigating this, Paul?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Nasa Plans Nuclear Propulsion Research
Date: 4 Mar 91 12:46:00 GMT


 > +NASA to establish a Nuclear Propulsion Systems Office at
 > Lewis

 > +[About %$#$%#$%ing time!!!]

Hee-HEEEEE-heee-heee-ha-ha-ha-ha!  Hoooooo, hahahahahhahahahaa!!

So that's who's been grabbing all my files <grin>.

Maybe we should stand 'em on their ears with two miles of wire, ten
gallons of glycerine, and a couple of inner tubes.

hehehehehehehehehe

BTW, the Alt Tech files are all online.  Go wild! :-)

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Long Island UFO
Date: 7 Mar 91 04:20:00 GMT


Preliminary reports indicate sightings of a large, spherical,
slow-moving object with four "exhaust-like" lights and vapor trails.
The object was whitish blue and was observed to change course and
possibly altitude.

It was first observed over the borough of Queens in New York City at
around midnight 3/5/91 and was last observed by two police officers
in Mastic in eastern Long Island three hours later.

Observations were reported from aircraft and witnesses on the
ground.

Further updates will come as soon as the information is available &
verified.

Best,
  Clark

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Subject: Tesla, Keely, Et. Al.
Date: 7 Mar 91 04:55:00 GMT


Michael, some of the files are rather lengthy but this one, in
particular, should pique the interest and imagination of ParaNet's
readers & participants.  Followers of the "Philadelphia Experiment"
should be particularly intrigued.

The subject of this file is the so-called Resonant Gravity Field
Coil.  The coil is a device that ostensibly warps spacetime
-- "ripping" the fabric of time, as it were.  The file provides some
rather crude graphics for building such a device and some glowing --
if vague and unsubstantiated -- experimental results.

Briefly, toroidal coils like this seem to have the potential of
creating very unusual, localized field forces.  By all accounts,
these devices are also VERY DANGEROUS.

I have data on a catastrophic "explosion" (for lack of a better
word, since this coil is built from inert materials) in the New
York area and have heard accounts of similar mishaps in
Philadelphia (2) and Toronto (1).

Properly, I should convey the warnings of unintended consequences
to such experiments -- including violent dissociation of rooms and
buildings and things disappearing in the field generated -- but
these anecdotes are not verifiable.  Still, the potential of
devices like this seems to be enormous.

The theory behind the device is elusive:  If it actually transcends
time, it points to radically different ideas of reality and
conceptions of gravity and time.  Notable among these is the theory
of a Holographic Universe and variations on the old Aether theory.

I'll post some more when there's been some comment on the RG Coil.

Best,
  Clark

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Subject: Resonant Gravity Coil Pt.1
Date: 7 Mar 91 04:58:00 GMT


Part 1 of 4.


                      Taken from KeelyNet BBS [phone]
                           Sponsored by Vangard Sciences
                                    PO BOX 1031
                                Mesquite, TX 75150

                                 October 17, 1990

                        listed on KeelyNet as GRAVITY3.ZIP
                       courteously shared by Joseph Misiolek

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          /==\ \  / /==\ \  /==         /=================================\
          |  |  \/  |  | |\ |  Systems  | The Resonant Gravity Field Coil |
          +==+  ||  |  | ||||  Present  | (or: how to manipulate reality  |
          |  |  /\  |  | | \|           |    in a 530 square inch area)   |
       ===/  \=/  \=\==/=/  \           \=================================/

       ____________________________________________________________________
              |                 By (_>Shadow Hawk<_)                |
              | Theory, concept, and Idea by: ????????????????????? |
       --------------------------------------------------------------------

           NOTICE: Within this file will be presented a potential method of
                   altering the  spatiotemporal continuum as one desires. I
                   take no responsibility  for  any  use  or misuse of this
                   information, whether harmful or otherwise. The effects
                   of this  device, if used in a careless  manner,  can  be
                   EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
       ____________________________________________________________________
       |        Gravity Resonance? What is this nut talking about?????    |
       --------------------------------------------------------------------

       You are probably thinking, "how can gravity possibly be resonant?"

       This is a  good  question.  As  discovered by Thomas Townsend Brown,
       electricity is directly related to  gravity  (see  his  U.S. patents
       1,974,483, 3,187,206 in particular.)

       If this is so, it is most likely a vectorial relationship (law of
       opposites), and since there is already an electromagnetic vector (2
       dimensional), a gravitational vector would be at 90  degrees to both
       the magnetic and   the  electric  vectors  (since  we  are  in  a  3
       dimensional space.)

       The gravitational vector is like  the  "duration  in  time"  of  the
       electric and magnetic vectors. There are also, in addition to scalar
       electric and magnetic waves

              (see Bearden, Thomas E. "Toward a new electromagnetics:
                   part IV:  vectors and mechanisms clarified.  Tesla  Book
                   Co., Millbrae, California, 1983.

       This work, however, fails to mention gravity waves, although it does
       mention controlling gravity), there are also scalar gravitic waves

                                      Page 1

              (see Ford,  L.H and A. Vilenkin. "A gravitational analogue of
                   the Aharanov-Bohm  effect."   Journal   of   Physics  A.
                   Mathematical, Nuclear,  and  General.  (Great  Britain).
                   14(9), Sep.  1981. p. 2353-2357.)

       ____________________________________________________________________
       |                 Okay.  So There are gravity waves.               |
       |              How can resonating them control reality?            |
       --------------------------------------------------------------------

              All of  the  above  has  been proven; this is where basically
       theory comes in.  There has been much supposed experimental proof of
       these effects, however  all  current   research  is,  unfortunately,
       proprietary, and it is extremely hard to come by anything helpful.

              The only  good  sources of information are  some  small  mail
       order book stores, and no one store has everything.

              One example   of   publicized   experimental   proof  is  the
       information regarding the  largely  ignored  Biefield-Brown  effect,
       whereby gravity can be nullified and even reversed  due  to electric
       charge

              (see Thomas Townsend Brown, Above patents), and the book on
                   the Philadelphia  experiment  (and  NOT  THE  MOVIE! The
                   movie was fiction, the  book  is  an  attempt to analyze
                   what little fact is known.)

              The true  Philadelphia  experiment, if it actually  occurred,
       used a Navy  ship degausser modified to act as some type of resonant
       gravity vector coil.

              The actual  theory  is  that,   since   electricity   can  be
       "transmitted" through the ether through electric scalar  and  vector
       waves, and magnetic energy through magnetic scalar and vector waves,
       why not gravitational scalar and vector waves, if they do exist (law
       of opposites)?

              A gravity  wave  is  the temporal "shape" of the electric and
       magnetic vector (I  hope  this  is  a  good  explanation!),  and  by
       changing this shape you are changing the molecular  construction  of
       the matter (or lack thereof) transmitting the waves.

             Also, since  there  are  an  infinite number of parallel, real
       universes

              (see Hypernumbers II, by Charles Muses, January 1978
                   "Applied Mathematics    and    Computation",   and   his
                   introduction to Jerome Rothstein's "Communication,
                   Organization, and  Science,"  The Falcon's  Wing  Press,
                   Indian Hills, CO, 1958),

       the gravity vector    coil    MAY    allow   the   psychic   (scalar
       electromagnetic brain wave) postulation  of  reality  through the G-
       vector. Thiscould also be done with a computer, but both are beyond
       the scope of this paper.

              I will now present the plans for the construction of a simple
       G-vector coil. What you do with it from here is up to you, show it

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Subject: Resonant Gravity Coil Pt.2
Date: 7 Mar 91 04:59:00 GMT


Part 2 of 4.


       to your physics  teachers  and  have them look up the references and
       watch their eyes pop as they find out the speed of light is NOT
       constant.
       ____________________________________________________________________

            This, actually, is the hardest  part.  You  will either have to
       spend a lot of $$$ at a plastics company or have some  good  friends
       to get but  one  of  the  parts  needed, the others should be fairly
       easy.

            Listed in order of availability

            (2) 50 VDC (DC-10 MHZ preferred,  but...)  @ 10A, 50KV isolated
                power supplies

                (parts list for those:)

            (2) 110  VAC  to  48 VDC @ 10A  Isolated stepdown  transformers
                (500 watt)

            (2) 100V PIV rectifier diode

            Optional (2) Heatsinks for above

            (2) 0-120 VAC @ 10A variacs (variable autotransformer)

            (2) 80-100V @ 1000uF electrolytic capacitors

            Optional (1 or 2) Case to hold it all in

            (1) 25-100  KVDC  (again,  DC-10 MHZ preferred...) @ 100-400 uA
                (not necessarily variable) 50 kV isolated power supply

                (parts list)

            (1) 10-12 KV @ 20-30 mA neon sign transformer

            (4) TV HV diodes - 12-14 KV PIV

            (4) HV capacitors, 500-1000 pF @ 10 KV

            (1) 0-120 VAC @ 10A variac (variable autotransformer)

            (1) Case to put it all in

            about 7500 feet of #16 Guage heavy Formvar magnetwire

            a lot (probably 5000 feet) of #20 or #22 magnetwire

            some fiberglass tape

            some plastic tape

            TV HV corona dope

       And, the clincher:

            (1) Hollow plastic dia., about 30"-32" outside diameter, 24-26"
                inner diameter, and about 4"-6" thick.

                                      Page 3

                It must be hollow, thermosetting plastic, with supports for
                an internal  coil  of  wire,  and two holes for the wire to
                leave, spaced to avoid electrical discharges.

                It must be boiling wax-tight, preferrably with a gasket.

                And it should be openable,  at  least into 4 sections, with
                screwholes (and gaskets if available.)

                You also  need enough of equal portions of  Carnubura  (sp)
                beeswax, and paraffin wax to fill the inside.
       ____________________________________________________________________
       |                           Construction                           |
       --------------------------------------------------------------------

       (1) Wind a  28"  (about,  must  center inside the hollow part of the
                      plastic donut) "hoop"  coil  of  the  #16 magnetwire.
                      (see Illustration 1)

       (2) Wrap first with fiberglass and then plastic tape,  and  then dip
                      it in TV HV corona dope. Allow to dry.

       (3) Place the coil inside the hollow donut.

       (4) Seal the  donut,  allowing  an  opening for the wax to be poured
                      into.

       (5) Pour the wax into the donut,  leaving  as  little  air  space as
                      possible.

       (6) Seal the donut, adding any extra wax.

       (7) Wrap approximately one layer of the #20 or #22  guage magnetwire
                      over the outside of the donut.

       (8) Coat with HV corona dope.

       (9) You are  finished  with  the  coil.  It  should  look similar to
                      illustration 2.

       See illustration 3 for a cutaway view.

       --------------------------------------------------------------------
       Illustration 1:
       ____________________________________________________________________

                     Top View                              Side View

               __                                            ||
           ___/--\ ----- 1000 turns #16 magnetwire  ----- __//|
              |  |                                        __/||
           ---\__/                                           ||--


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Subject: Resonant Gravity Coil Pt.3
Date: 7 Mar 91 05:02:00 GMT

Part 3 of 4.


       --------------------------------------------------------------------
       Illustration 2:
       ____________________________________________________________________


                     Top View                              Side View

                       ___                              /-------------\
                      \\|//                            / / / | | | \ \ \
                     |\/ \/| --- Outer Layer of #20 ---| | | | | | | | |
                     |-   -|     or #22 magnetwire     | | | | | | | | |
                     |/\ /\|                           | | | | | | | | |
                      //|\\                            \ \ \ | | | / / /
                       ---                              \-------------/


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       Illustration 3:
       ____________________________________________________________________


                                  Cutaway (side) View

                 _____________________________________________________
                / / / / / // / / // / / / | | | \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \
               / / / / / // / / / | | | | _____ | | | | \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ \
              / / / / / / | | | | _______/*****\_______ | | | | \ \ \ \ \
              | | | | | |  ______/*******=======*******\_______ | | | | |
         Plastic Donut ---|*******=====================*******| | | | | |
        (hidden by wire)| |*******=====================*******| | | | | |
              | | | | | |  ------\***** <-\ ======*****/------- | | | | |
              \ \ \ \ \ \ | | | | -----\   \ === /----- | | | | / / / / /
               \ \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \ | | | |  |  ^ | | | | / / / // / / / /
                \ \ \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \ \ \  |  | / / / // / / // / / / /
                 ----------------------- ^ |  |   --------------------
             Toroidal Plastic "Donut"----^ | |  \-

             The ='s represent the inner "hoop".

             Outer layer of #20 or #22 magnetwire or coil of wire.

             The *'s represent the wax mixture.

                                      Page 5

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       |                    Building The Power Supplies                   |
       --------------------------------------------------------------------

            If you  are unfamiliar with electronics, you may need some help
       with this section, as I am only presenting the schematics. Here they
       are:

       For both 50VDC power supplies:
       ____________________________________________________________________

                      /---\                                   /\
                      v   |    100V Piv 15A diode            /  \
                   _mmmmm_+__    ___|\|__+__________________/0-15\__+
                  / Variac   )||(   |/|  |  1000 uF @ 80 V  \DC A/
          =)======        110)||(48     ---  electrolytic    \  /
                  \__________)||(_____  /-\                   \/
         120 VAC         110V to 48V  \  |-
       Grounded Plug   10A Transformer \_+__________________________-

                     (2) of these are required. Note that
               the stepdown transformer must be 50kv isolated.

       --------------------------------------------------------------------

       For the 100 KVDC power supply:
       ____________________________________________________________________

        /---\
        v   |
        _mmmmm_+__
        ____________________+___________+____________________
        | Variac   )||(                   _|_        _|_ HV
        |       110)||(8-10KV       |/    \ /14KV PIV/-\cap
        |  ________)||(_____________||_   _v_ TV HV   |
        | |       100V to 8-10KV    |\ \   |  Diode   +____+______
        | |      100uA Transformer  ^   \__+          |   _|_     \
       /___\               800-1000 pf 10KV \   TV HV-^-  \ /TV HV|
       120 VAC                 capacitor     \  diode/ \  -v-diode|
       grounded plug                          \      -|-   |     _|_  /\
                                               \______+    +  HV /-\ /  \
       Note that all unmarked parts                   |    |  cap | / 0- \
       have the same value as their                   | |/ |      +/ 1000 \
           marked counterparts.                       +_||_+_     |\      /
                                                        |\  \    -^-\ uA /
                                                     HV cap |    / \ \  /
                                                            |    -|-  \/
                                                            |     |   !!
                                                            \_____/  TV HV
                                                                     diode

       --------------------------------------------------------------------
       |                                 Usage                            |
       --------------------------------------------------------------------

            To connect the power supplies  to  the  coil, connect the wires
       leading out of the donut (from the inner coil) to one  50  VDC power
       supply.


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Subject: Resonant Gravity Coil Pt.4
Date: 7 Mar 91 05:06:00 GMT


Part 4 of 4.

            The polarity, at this stage, does not matter.

            Next, connect the leads from the outer coil to the other 50 VDC
       power supply.

            Do NOT turn either of them on! Now, connect one of the leads of
       the inner coil  to  one  terminal of the 25-100 KV power supply, and
       connect one lead of the outer coil  to the other terminal of the 25-
       100 KV power supply.

            Thats it!

       --------------------------------------------------------------------

            Now, the hard part. You will have to figure  out  some  way  of
       modulating the fields.  This  could  be  done  through stepper motor
       control of the variac, or through  the  insertion  of  a  probe coil
       (probably just a  ferrite  rod wrapped with a few hundred  turns  of
       wire) into the center of the donut hole.

            This would  then  be  modulated  with  whatever electromagnetic
       signal you'd want to impress upon the field.

            Through careful experimentation,  you should be able to produce
       some very interesting effects, such as extreme gravity,  bending  of
       metal within the field, spontaneous materialization of ?, etc.

            Note that  the  purpose  of  the  wax  is  to  act  as a molten
       dielectric, so don't be surprised when it starts boiling.

            Thats why the donut form must  be made out of thermosetting (or
       any kind that  doesn't  melt near the temperature  of  boiling  wax)
       plastic.

            Have phun,  and don't do anything you wouldn't want perpetuated
       throughout your subjective reality!

                                         (_>Shadow Hawk<_)

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       ********************************************************************
       Appendix to the above paper..............by Joseph John Misiolek
       ********************************************************************

       There are two modifications to the  above  device  which should make
       the effect of the unit more powerful, while at the  same time making
       it more safe for the operator to conduct his/her research.

       1.  In place  of  the  wax  in  the  coil  being  used  as a "molten
           dielectric", it would be advantageous to use Glycerine instead.

           The "scorch field" set up between the two coils using the 25-

                                      Page 7

           100kvdc supply  will  be  approx.  25 times greater in intensity
           than with the wax.

           While the dielectric constant (k) of wax is less than 3, the (k)
           of Glycerine is about 56.

           Also, the semi-liquid state that  Glycerine  maintains  at  room
           temperature will  prove  to  be an effective heat-sink  for  the
           inner coil.  Glycerine is an emollient, and can be obtained from
           most drug stores.

       2.  The Modulator  coil (250-300 turns) on ferrite core to be placed
           into the interior of the coil shall be replaced by a coil larger
           in diameter than the outer coil  of  the present unit (as herein
           described) and shall be placed outside the units' outer coil.

           This will   give  a  more  stable  field  configuration,   while
           confining the  gravitational  effects  to  the  interior  of the
           device.

           These two modifications, while increasing the units' power, will
           also provide a level of safety  not  to  be  had in the original
           design.

       A word of caution! --------

           While operating this device, it would be wise to  secure  a non-
           interruptable power supply for it.

           If, while  the fields were at their maximum output, the power to
           the coils  were  to  be suddenly  interrupted,  a  very  serious
           condition could  arise  as  the  distorted region  of  spacetime
           surrounding the  coil "cut-loose" into the surrounding spacetime
           beyond the coils influence.

           A "pulse" of distorted spacetime  might, under these conditions,
           leave the coil at high velocity, and inflict great damage to the
           surroundings near the coil.  (Including the operator)

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                      DON'T SAY THAT YOU WEREN'T WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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       If you have comments or other information relating to such topics as
       this paper covers,  please upload to KeelyNet or send to the Vangard
       Sciences address as listed on the  first  page.   Thank you for your
       consideration, interest and support.

           Jerry W. Decker.........Ron Barker...........Chuck Henderson
                             Vangard Sciences/KeelyNet
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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 374

                             Friday, March 8th 1991

Today's Topics:

                             Nazis from the Pleaides
                                    Coverup?
                  Limits on federal employee free-lance writing
                           Re: Paranet Newsletter 372
                                      SS433
                             Resonant Coil Implications?
                                    Coverup?
                          Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
                                RED LIGHT SPECIAL
                                   Re: (NONE)
                         Statements of acceptable proof
                              Re: File disclaimers
                                 Re: Old writers
                           Philadelphia meteor 4/5/91
                               ufo sighting in nh?
                                  A SETI Update
                                Solar Flare Alert
                               Haaton Stuff, Etc.
                           Re: Paranet Newsletter 372
                                 Spherical UFOs

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From: [e-mail] (John Burke)
Subject: Nazis from the Pleaides
Date: 7 Mar 91 07:56:00 GMT

Korac:
        Thanks for your report which gives us a better idea of the true nature
and purpose of America West Publications.  No wonder they were "censored"
(i.e.  "no TV station or newspaper would accept their ads")!

        These people seem to think they can "hook" people by
appealing to the kind of paranoia which is being spewed about by
people like Bill Cooper.  They then build upon that foundation by
adding a new layer of paranoia which concerns the BS about "World
Zionist Conspiracies" etc.  Haven't these idiots ever considered
the possibility that there might be someone out there who is a
Cooperphiliac but who also belongs to the JDL?

        About a year ago there was some speculation here about
who could be responsible for the infection of contemporary
American ufology with all of this paranoia about government
conspiracies against the people.  A couple of informed ParaNeters
postulated:  "Neo-Nazi cults".  It is now apparent that even if such
organizations are not the initiators of this concensual paranoia,
they certainly are trying to exploit it.

       Thanx again for the revealing information!
                                                    --  John

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Coverup?
Date: 5 Mar 91 04:54:00 GMT


 JH>   Doubtful. I suspect you'd find that ABC broke into programming at
 JH> the same time (GMT or UTC) but it was only in the East that the
 JH> Secrets show was on.

Wouldn't that mean West Coast viewers got to see the footage in question since
they are three hours behind and the show is delayed for them, as with all other
network entertainment shows?

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From: stl-06sima.army.mil!wmartin
Subject:  Limits on federal employee free-lance writing
Date: 7 Mar 91 15:22:11 GMT

From: Will Martin <[e-mail]>

Reference the previous discussion under 'Just Cause' and other subjects:

HR 325, which has been approved by the House Judiciary Committee, repeals
the provisions of the recently-enacted 'ethics' legislation which apply
to federal employees in grades GS-15 (or equivalent pay) and below and
banned outside income from free-lance writing and speaking, in areas
unrelated to their jobs.  Other legislation has been introduced in both the
house and senate to similar effect applying to military officers.

(GS-15, by the way, is a salary/grade level for civil service that would
be considered 'upper management' outside Washington DC. Our Deputy
Directors, sort of top-level VPs, are 15s. Ordinary non-managerial
technical positions usually top out at the 13 level. Real people, like
me, are lower -- I'm an 11. :-)

The Federal Times article I gleaned this from implied that rapid passage
of some form of this legislation is likely.

Regards, Will
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From: ncar!rutgers!presto.ig.com!stuczyns
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 372
Date: 7 Mar 91 17:22:03 GMT

From: Martin Stuczynski <[e-mail]>

I want to reply to a couple of Greg's comments in the latest issue.

1=) He does'nt seem to believe the allied forces captured many thousands of
Iraqi troops! If you were bombed by 'daisy cutter' and other unfathomable
agents of destruction for five round-the-clock weeks you might not find this
so unbelievable!
   As to the Apollo astronauts vs. space shuttle astronauts and their
respective states of physical fitness wehn returning to earth. Do you know
anything about the U.S. space hardware?? The apollo capsules were relative
sardine cans compared to the shuttle and the apollo astronauts had no space
or provisions for carrying out any meaningful physical fitness regimes as do
the space shuttle astronauts. To imply that the space shuttles are'nt being
flown in space is ludicrous.

--Marty S.


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: SS433
Date: 8 Mar 91 04:11:00 GMT

Jim,

I have noticed your postings in other echoes about SS433.  What is it and what
significance does it have to UFO research?

Thanks for your reply.

Mike

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From: vm1.yorku.ca!YSCS1296
Subject:      Resonant Coil Implications?
Date: 8 Mar 91 06:20:51 GMT

From: User <[e-mail]>


I am not well-versed in physics higher than high-school levels.  Can
someone tell me exactly what can happen within the distorted space-time
that this Resonant Coil produces?  What are the implications?  I suppose
this ISN'T an anti-gravity device?  Is it a pathway to ... folding space?
-
Of course, it would help if someone(s) actually built it, and reported
on it.
-
What about the anti-gravity device mentioned in the KRILL (eek) docs?
Any substance to that claim?
-
And finally, a friend told me that the URE that was filmed (Unidentified
Running Entity) from the window (as mentioned several newsletters ago,
along with the claim that the Stealth was from UFO parts - the 10
strangest stories of 1990) was broadcast on one of the tabloids (H.C.,
A.C.A., I.E., or U.M.) and he said it didn't look like any familiar
animal or even an Earth-like animal.  Anyone else saw this broadcast?
-
And how come nobody is commenting on the Unsolved Mysteries broadcast
of the Kecksberg incident?  Did EVERYONE miss it except me?




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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Coverup?
Date: 6 Mar 91 07:38:01 GMT


 > Wouldn't that mean West Coast viewers got to see the footage in
 > question since they are three hours behind and the show is
 > delayed for them, as with all other network entertainment shows?

  I've heard from a few who did see the show without interruption. I
gather we didn't really miss anything.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
Date: 6 Mar 91 07:38:02 GMT


 > both of us reading so many, neither of us will have any idea
 > what the other is talking about!

  You'll have to tune in more often. ;-)

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: RED LIGHT SPECIAL
Date: 6 Mar 91 16:29:49 GMT

Yes the light floating in the sky was not investigated at all. A flare
hanging from a balloon would have worked fine. There are so many ways to
produce the light in the sky it's silly. I don't remember any comments about
the speed, duration, or anything factual about the GB light that was shown on
ABC TV that night. Sensational usless information.

Anyone have any information?
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Porro)
Subject: Re: (NONE)
Date: 6 Mar 91 16:46:19 GMT

Greg, Maybe you can get someone to scan those newsletters, and the Paranet
nodes can put them online for people to reads from the files areas throughout
the world. That way you would not have to type forever, and distribution
would be accomplished outside the message base.

I don't find anything unusual about the space shuttle landing vs the
capsules. Remember they were crammed into those things (have you seen one in
person?) and in the shuttle it's a bit more roomy. The current crews can at
least move around, while the Apollo guys could hardly wiggle their toes. (or
am I confused on the first missions with capsules?)

For anyone who cares, if you are near Orlando it's worth the ride to NASA
one day to see the space center. It's not only free (your tax dollars at
work) but it's really good. First time I was there, I thought OK we'll drop
in at 1pm look around and hit the road for some sight-seeing. When they
closed we were the last two people out the gates... loved it.

Thinking about space travel, and UFO's, and sizes of things makes more sense
once I stood next to some of those monsters that were necessary to launch one
of those tiny capsules. Make me wonder if there are UFO's that they must have
a very compact and efficient propulsion system.
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From: [e-mail] (John Tender)
Subject: Statements of acceptable proof
Date: 4 Mar 91 00:28:50 GMT

>>  RM> Fourth, any skeptic worth his doubts _will_ be able to tell what
>>  RM> evidence would suffice to convince him on a given factual claim.
>>  RM> Klass, Sheaffer, and Oberg _can and have_ said what would
>>  RM> convince them. So, they may be wrong, but they're not
>>  RM> dogmatists.
>>
>>      Have they made definitive statements, and if so where are these
>> available?

 RM> Good question.  Yes, but I'm not sure where these can be found.
 RM>  Klass can be reached at 404 "N" Street, Washington, DC 20024,
 RM>  and Sheaffer is at 1875 Fallbrook Ave., San Jose, CA 95130.
 RM>  If you're curious, write to them, and I'm sure they'll be able
 RM>  to fill you in with a reference or two.  I don't have an
 RM>  address for James Oberg, but you may be able to reach him care
 RM>  of Houston NASA.

     Oh. I thought that since _you_ made the claim that Klass, Sheaffer
and Oberg _actually had made_ definitive statements, that you also had
some _evidence or ready information_ on which to base that claim. Sorry,
_my mistake_. (I will, however, bear this in mind in evaluating your
other claims.)

     I will indeed try to contact the three above individuals.


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From: [e-mail] (John Tender)
Subject: Re: File disclaimers
Date: 4 Mar 91 00:41:00 GMT

>>  RM> or of the author's reputation.  I don't think I've seen the
>>  RM> particular files you mention (waiting for a disk or two from
>>  RM> Mike), but even if they're _really bad_, they can -- at a
>>  RM> minimum -- be valuable as an example of their kind.
>>
>>      I'm wondering what you mean by "of their kind" ?

 RM> RM> Wonder no longer.  Read 'em and find out.

     Maybe I wasn't sufficiently clear. I asked what _you_ meant by "of
their kind", information which, at least according to my way of
thinking, cannot be found in the original source material.

>>      Since you are, quite understandably, sensitive about being lumped
>> in with some other "skeptics", shouldn't we be careful here too?

 RM> No, we should not.  My statement was a plea against deleting
 RM> the files of a writer on UFOlogy, even though just about
 RM> everyone considers them to carry no credibility whatsoever.  Do
 RM> you have a problem with that, John?  I most assuredly do not.

     The problem I have is precisely what I said it was: that care
 should be taken in making sweeping statements about a group of files
 being "of a kind". Whatever the main thrust of you message was, I
 commented on a rather specific statement you made. This does not mean I
 disagreed with anything else in the post, and I am at a loss for any
 reasonable explanation for you to force such an interpretation on what
 I said.

>>  RM> Picks would be those the sysop considers less improbable
>>  RM> (modify this according to your degree of skepticism :-) ).
>>
>>      Any sysop utilizing such a policy should also recognize a
>> responsibility to post a sufficiently clear description of the
>> criteria employed in making the selection.

 RM> I fully disagree.  Sysops have no obligation to justify or
 RM> explain their placement of download files on their own systems.
 RM>  If I were moved to post such an explanation, it would be as
 RM>  follows:  "Because I damned well felt like it."  That should
 RM>  more than cover it.

     I suppose that this depends on what the sysop decides to be his
"obligation". If one's desire is to present a rational, objective, and
comprehensive overview of a subject, then it is imperative that
rational, objective, and comprehensive criteria for data presented be
made available. If, on the other hand, one chooses to ignore this
obligation and run the risk (or at least arouse the suspicion) of
presenting half-truths, faulty lines of reasoning, and
conclusions-by-decree, then "because I damned well felt like it" will
indeed suffice.





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From: [e-mail] (John Tender)
Subject: Re: Old writers
Date: 4 Mar 91 00:44:50 GMT

>>      "When two elderly, popular authors talk to each other for any
>> length of time, the result is invariably a bunch of useless aphorisms"

 RM> How about:  "You can lead an echo reader to enlightenment, but
 RM> you cannot make him think"?

     Sounds OK. I might disagree on the reasoning leading up to the
valid application of the statement for any specific individual. I can
assure you it wouldn't be "because I damned well felt like it".

     (On second thought, it doesn't sound OK. I don't think you can lead
anyone to enlightenment without making him or her think!)

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Faeder)
Subject: Philadelphia meteor 4/5/91
Date: 8 Mar 91 06:01:02 GMT

In an article of <6 Mar 91 17:46:57 GMT>, Paul Carr <[e-mail]> writes:

 >I heard on the news this morning that a large colorful fireball went
 >right over Philadelphia last night.  They didn't give a specific time.
 >Someone in the control tower at PHL called it 'The Mother of all
 >Meteors.'

 In my local paper, Robert Gribble, director of the National UFO Reporting
Center, said his investigators questioned a pilot flying over Maryland at the
time of the incident. The pilot said that he saw the meteor *change direction.*
 Hmmm....

The following article is about a similar incident a bit over a year ago:
Pocono Record Jan. 29, 1990

STRANGE LIGHT LIGHTS UP EAST COAST SWITCHBOARDS

 "We are quite confident it was not a manmade
 object re-entering. We have no idea what it was."

              -Major Dick Adam NORAD PR officer.


  WASHINGTON (AP) - Thousands of people in the Eastern United States
reported seeing a strange bluish-green light in the sky Saturday
night which some experts said could have been an unusually large
meteorite.
  "We are quite confident it was not a manmade object re-entering,"
said Maj. Dick Adam, public affairs officer for the North American
Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) in Colorado Springs, Colorado. "We
have no idea what it was."
  Robert Gribble of the National UFO reporting Center in Seattle, a
private group, reported receiving dozens of calls.
  "Based on descriptions that have been given, I'd say we're dealing
with a very large solid, a very large meteor," said Gribble.
  "Description run from a blue-green to a bright gereen coming down
in an angular descent leaving a short tail behind it," said Gribble.
He said everyone who had telephoned the center described the object,
"as coming down and hitting the ground in their area, which is very
common in something like this."
  Among the people who reported seeing the object was David Arnold,
an area air traffic control supervisor at Dulles Airport, where the
sighting occurred at 7:10 pm EST.
  "We don't know exactly what it was, a meteor or a satellite," said
Arnold, who has been an air traffic controller for 25 years.  "It
lasted 25 to 30 seconds and went from brilliant white to an orange as
it broke up.
  "We've seen things like this before, but much higher.  This was
quite brilliant.  It appeared to have dissipated completely."
  However, not all witnesses saw the object change color and appear to
disappear.
  A television reporter in Oak Hill, W. Va,. one of the places where
there was a flurry of initial sightings was at the home of one of the
first witnesses nearly three hours after the initial sighting and
reported the light was still hovering in the sky.
 Kitty Harrison, assignment editor for WOAY-TV in Oak Hill, W.Va.,
said what she saw was "absolutely not" a meteorite.
 "I've seen meteorites before and this doesn't resemble the type of
meteorite I've seen," she told The Associated Press in a telephone
interview from the home of Elizabeth Gray and her son, Chris, in
Stanford, West Va.
 "What we are seeing is a very bright bluish white object that appears
to be moving downward toward the horizon in an erratic spiraling
motion," Harrison told the AP. "It is very slow. You have to keep your
eye fixed to something stationary in order to see it's progress."
  Chris Gray, 13, was carrying firewood to the house when he saw the
object.
  "I saw the sky light up for the meteorite and then about half an
hour later I saw what I'll call a UFO, and then when the television
called me back they told me to tape it on my cam corder and while we
were taping it was changing colors and it started seperating and going
back together again," said Chris Gray.
  Among the witnesses in the Washington area was Andrew Guthrie, a
news editor at the Voice of America since 1983.
  "It was a dramatic thing to see," said Guthrie. "I almost drove off
the road."  He said the object appeared to be "three-or-four times
treetop level" and about the size of a grapefruit with an
"incandescent bright light at the center like a magnesium flare."
  An AP reporter walking along Pennsylvania Avenue in the Foggy Bottom
section of Washington recalled thinking initially that it was some
type manmade firework similar to flares shot in the sky on the Fourth
of July because it was very bright and distinct, appeared to be moving
across the sky at about the same speed typical of such displays,
seemed to have a tail and appeared to be low enough to have been shot
from the balcony of one of the multistory apartment buildings in the
area.
  However, the light remained on a flat trajectory, moving rapidly
across the sky without fading.
  Sightings were reported from an area ranging from West Virginia and,
along the Eastern Seaboard, from Virgina to New York.


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Paquin)
Subject: ufo sighting in nh?
Date: 8 Mar 91 02:46:00 GMT

Hello...i'm  wondering if anyone out there has any info on the "ufo"
sightings that took place on wedsday morning between 2-330 in the
morning?  All I heard was that the Concord state police plus other
police depts heard from numerous people reporting colored lights in
the sky...some said red, some green..and they shot around in the
sky.. this is all i've heard I only caught the tail end of a radio
broadcast and looked for a mention in the union leader, and the
nashua telegraph...this happened(3-6-91)  and reportings were
sigthed from as far away as brookline....to concord with numerous
cities in that area(southern merrimack Valley?)
                                         I haven't heard anything of
it since the radio broadcast.....was it a hoax or was what I heard
for real?
          any info would b great
                                   thanx in advance
                                                    steve paquin
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From: [e-mail] (sm)
Subject: A SETI Update
Date: 8 Mar 91 07:18:00 GMT

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The  following  article  appeared in Volume X, Number  5  of  the
Planetary Report, a publication by the Planetary Society.  It  is
(C)  1990  by  the  Planetary  Society.   All  rights   reserved.
Reprinted on ParaNet without permission.

We have published it here for the sheer amusement of our members.
Remember  how we have long been chastised by the outside world  -
particularly  the  scientific community - for  pursuing  the  UFO
enigma?   Well,  it  appears that the payback has  come  home  to
roost.   Congress is now chastising the scientific community  for
its  pursuit of extraterrestrial intelligence.  As long  as  Bush
seems to be in the spending mood for such things as SETI, perhaps
we   should  back  the  Planetary  Society  in  the  Search   for
Congressional  Intelligence.  Maybe a reminder, much like that  of
the 1952 overflight of the White House by UFOs, is what is needed
to get Congress thinking where it needs to be.  Enjoy!

THE ILLOGIC IS IRREFUTABLE

The  NASA  Search for Extraterrestrial  Intelligence  program  is
designed  only  to  "listen"  for  radio  signals  that   another
civilization   might   be   broadcasting   to   other    advanced
civilizations.  It  is not a program that  actively  attempts  to
contact  other  possible  life forms. In  his  fiscal  year  1991
budget,  President  Bush had asked $12 million  for  NASA'S  SETI
program.  The House Committee on Appropriations cut that to  $6.1
million.  When the committee's proposal reached the floor of  the
House,  Representative  Ronald K. Machtley [D-RI]  introduced  an
amendment  to eliminate SETI Funding from the federal budget.  We
excerpt here portions of the discussion on the House floor.

Silvio Conte (R-MA): "We don't need to spend $6 million this year
to  find  evidence of these rascally creatures. We only  need  75
cents  to  buy  a tabloid at the  local  supermarket.  Conclusive
evidence  of  these  crafty critters can  be  found  at  checkout
counters  from coast to coast. [Mr. Conte then entered  into  the
Congressional   Record  five  articles  on  UFOs   from   tabloid
publications.]  If  we  continue to fund this  dog  (NASA's  SETI
program]-a  Golden  Fleece award winner in  1978-then  we  should
seriously  consider funding an even more ambitious  program  SCI:
Search for Congressional Intelligence."

Ronald  K. Machtley (D-RI): "We cannot spend money  on  curiosity
today  when we have a deficit. I might suggest that, in fact,  if
there  is such a superintelligence [sic] form of life out  there,
might it be easier just to listen and let them call us?"

Bob  Traxler  (D-MI): "The logic of the  distinguished  gentleman
from  Massachusetts  [Mr. Conte] and the maker of  the  amendment
[Mr. Machtley] is irrefutable."

END

PARANET FILE NAME:  SETI.UPD

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Solar Flare Alert
Date: 8 Mar 91 08:14:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Space Echo"
 * Originally from Bev Freed
 * Originally dated 03-05-91 22:37

                        --  MAJOR SOLAR FLARE ALERT  --
                                MARCH 05, 1991
                   ** WARNING - VERY HIGH SOLAR ACTIVITY **
                              Flare Event Summary
                           Potential Impact Forecast
                                    --------
MAJOR ENERGETIC EVENT SUMMARY

     A very significant amount of major solar flaring has occurred over the
past 24 hours from a region just emerging around the eastern limb.  This
region is still very near the east limb, hence no detail in spot activity
can be discerned.  However, four large major flares have occurred over the
past 6 to 18 hours from the region coming into view.

     The first major flare peaked at an X-ray intensity of X7.  This very
strong X-class flare was optically uncorrelated.  It was associated with a
strong Type II sweep frequency event.  The estimated shock speed of the
Type II was 600 kilometers per second.  It was located near approximately
S23E90 (or slightly beyond the east limb).

     The second major flare began at 23:59 UT on 4 March, peaked at a class
M6.7/2B rating at 00:09 UT on 5 March, and ended at 00:28 UT on 5 March.
The location of this flare was S21E88.  No sweeps were observed.

     The third major flare began at 03:02 UT on 5 March, peaked at 03:12 UT
and ended at 03:43 UT on 5 March.  This flare was a powerful class X1.5/3N
(the largest area attained by a flare in well over a year).  Loops were
observed on the limb with this flare.  It was located at S19E89.  No sweeps
were observed although a coronal mass ejection is likely from this event.

    The last major flare so far began at 04:58 UT, peaked at 05:06 UT and
ended at 05:45 UT on 05 March.  This flare reached a powerful class M9.3
x-ray level, but was optically uncorrelated.  It was associated with a
strong 720 s.f.u. Tenflare and a 990 s.f.u. burst at 245 MHz.  No sweeps
were recorded from this event, although a coronal mass ejection (CME) is
likely from this event.


POTENTIAL TERRESTRIAL IMPACT FORECAST

     The region(s) responsible for this recent barrage of major flaring is
still not in view well enough to determine the spot and magnetic
complexity.  However, it is very clear that some very high magnetic
gradients exist in the region now rotating into view.  Hints of the activity
were noticed two days ago when M-class x-ray activity was being observed
without any optical counterparts.  It is now evident that this M-class
flare activity was most likely the result of the region now rotating into
view.  No significant activity was anticipated.  This region is a surprise.

     The major flaring which has occurred over the past 24 hours will not
have any terrestrial impacts aside from possible moderate to high intensity
SID's/SWF's and greater probabilities for VHF SID-induced signal
enhancements.

     PLEASE NOTE!!  If the region(s) responsible for this major flaring
continues to produce major flares over the coming week, potentially high
terrestrial impacts could occur.  Persons, organizations, and/or researchers
who might be affected by the major flaring should take note of this and pay
close attention for future major flare alerts and possible terrestrial
impacts (ie. magnetic storming) later this week.  It is possible that this
region could quite literally blow itself out before it begins to enter the
area capable of producing terrestrial impacts.  More will be known in the
next 24 to 48 hours as the region(s) present themselves for closer
examination.

     Major flaring WILL CONTINUE over the next 24 hours at least.  There is
not much of a threat at the present time for proton activity from the
flaring regions although it is quite probable that they are throwing out
protons.  The flaring regions are still too far east to produce any
significant proton activity.  This will change as the regions travel toward
the central solar meridian.  Proton activity could become a factor anytime
from about 08 or 09 March until the region(s) responsible rotate beyond the
west limb by about 18 or 19 March (a preliminary estimate).  The flare
centers should begin crossing the central meridian by about 12 March.

     Alerts and updates will be posted on a daily basis over the next
week or so unless the activity becomes less active.  The solar flux will
increase to near or above 250 by 18:00 UT on 05 March.

     Watch for further flare alerts and possible terrestrial impact
warnings.

**  End of Alert  **

                        --  MAJOR SOLAR FLARE ALERT  --
                                MARCH 05, 1991
                                   Alert #2
                   ** WARNING - VERY HIGH SOLAR ACTIVITY **
                              Flare Event Summary
                           Potential Impact Forecast
                                    --------
MAJOR ENERGETIC EVENT SUMMARY

     Two more major X-class flares have erupted in the last 12 hours.  This
makes a total of six major energetic flares in about the last 24 hours.
Solar activity is VERY HIGH!
     A powerful class X2.0/3B flare exploded from Region 6438 at a location
of S21E86 at 09:14 UT on 05 March.  The flare began at 09:37 UT, peaked at
09:14 UT and ended at 10:16 UT.  No sweeps were observed from this event.
     A major flare erupted off the southeast limb from Region 6537 at a
location of S09E69 at 17:21 UT on 05 March.  This flare was rated a class
X1.4/2N flare.  It began at 17:15 UT, peaked at 17:21 UT and ended at 17:32
UT.  No sweeps were observed from this flare.
     Region 6438 is the largest and most complex region rotating into view
around the eastern limb.  This region is still too close to the limb to
discern any significant detail.  However, the frequency and power of the
recent flare activity is indicative of very high magnetic gradients and
complexity.  This region is expected to continue to produce major flares
and many X-class level flares over the next week.
     Region 6437 was somewhat of a surprise.  It is optically small and
seemingly simple.  However, it somehow managed to spawn a class X1.4/2N
major flare at 17:21 UT.  This event (and most of the others) was
associated with an intense short-duration SID/SWF.  Blackout conditions on
the HF bands occurred as high as 15 MHz.

POTENTIAL TERRESTRIAL IMPACT FORECAST

     Major flaring will continue for at least the next two to three days,
and possibly throughout the coming week.  High intensity SID's/SWF's will
occur in synchronism with these events.  SID durations could exceed 30 to
45 minutes in some of the more powerful events.  VHF SID-induced signal
enhancements are likely, with possible DX conditions for VHFers during
periods of SID activity.  Frequent SIDs are expected over the coming week.
     There is not expected to be any terrestrial impacts (ie. proton,
geomagnetic, etc.) from these recent flares.  They are still too far east.
Proton activity could increase (if flaring continues) within approximately
the next 4 to 8 days.  High probabilities for proton and PCA activity will
occur as Region 6438 crosses into the western hemisphere near 12/13 March,
provided major flaring continues for that long.
     Major Flare Alerts and/or updates will continue to be posted on a
daily basis throughout the coming week, or until activity diminishes.

**  End of Alert  **


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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Haaton Stuff, Etc.
Date: 8 Mar 91 04:59:00 GMT


 >
 >         Well, I was too amused to be scared, so I ordered the
 > catalog.  I hope I don't get on the 'New Age Junk Mail List'

Well, Korac, you can HOPE you don't, but I think you will.

It's just my opinion, but when it comes to stuff like this, I think
"there's one born every minute."

One New Age Junk Mail List victim, that is.

If you want to read about other dimensions, try The Search for
Schroedinger's Cat.

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 372
Date: 8 Mar 91 05:30:00 GMT


 > Regarding the magnetic anomalies present on the ground after
 > UFO
 > sitings,


Hi Mike.

Tell me, what magnetic anomalies are you writing of?  I'm aware of a
few, but they always were found in ferrous rocks, etc., in the
vicinity.

I'm not saying that magnetic traces aren't possible, just that such
traces are unheard of.

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: Spherical UFOs
Date: 8 Mar 91 05:47:00 GMT


 > Were there any sitings of spherical UFOS during last Feruary
 > (1990) over
 > the NE states or Quebec?
 >

To Mike Clarke
Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS

Mike, funny you should mention it, but a large, spherical UFO was
sighted repeatedly for over 2 hrs. going east from New York City on
3/5-6/91.

Best,
  Clark

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 375

                            Sunday, March 10th 1991

Today's Topics:

                                  More Missing
                                  More Missing
                          Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
                           Resonant Coil Implications?
                               Kecksburg UFO story
                            Re: Tesla, Keely, Et. Al.
                                    Kecksburg
                             Resonant Gravity Coils
                                  Re: Kecksburg
                           Solar Flare Alert - 07 Mar
                             Halley's Comet Article
                                 Halley's Comet
                                 movies on WTBS
                that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness!
                                  More Missing
                                  More Missing
                                   BILL COOPER

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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: More Missing
Date: 8 Mar 91 06:41:00 GMT


 > THEY NEVER CAME BACK
 >
 ....

 >   To the list of mysterious disappearances let us add another
 > remarkable case.
 >   July 24, 1924, was just another day of blazing heat in the
 > desert
 > of the Middle East, then called Mesopotamia.
....

 >   When their plane was found, the day after they failed to
 > return, the mystery w s only deepened. There was gasoline
 > in the tank, and the engine started readily when tried. There
 > were
 > no  signs  that  the  plane  had  been  shot  at.  There was
 > no
 > clue to hint why they might have landed where they
 > did . . . in a broad stretch of inhospitable desert.
 >  The search party found something else that adds ques-
 > tion marks to the case of the missing fliers.


Hi Don.  Let me share two very queer disappearances with you.

1.   August 28, 1915, Gallipoli, Turkey (southwest of Sulva Bay in
Anatolia). The entire British First Fourth Norfolk Regiment, with a
field strength of 800 men, DISAPPEARED before thousands of
witnesses in broad daylight.  30 observers and spotters of the
Number One ANZAC Company and thousands of Turkish defenders
observed the First Fourth Norfolk mount an attack against
entrenched Turkish infantry on the clear, cloudless day.  They
advanced up about 1/2 mile of gentle slope toward their objective
unopposed with no incoming artillery.  Very unusual for high summer
in Anatolia, there was a FOG BANK about 200 yards across on the
elevated hillside, midway between the Allied and Turkish lines.

The First Fourth Norfolk Regiment entered the fog bank but did not
exit on the other side.  After about 30 minutes, the fog bank ROSE
and drifted off across the Agean Sea, against the prevailing winds.

No attack was mounted in their sector and, as a result, the entire
assault collapsed.  It was assumed by the Allies that the Turks had
prevailed and captured the Regiment.  It was assumed by the Turks
that the Regiment had demarched under cover of the fog and attacked
somewhere else.

War records of both sides and many hundreds of interviews confirm
every part of this story.  The fate of the 1st Fourth Norfolk was
the cause of a 1920's MIA controversy in Britain (similar to our
own VietNam MIA controversy) and resulted in considerable tension
between Britain and the Turkish Republic, right up to and after
World War II.

2.  June 1954, Kirimukuyu, Kenya (on Mt. Kenya).  The entire
village of Kirimukuyu was incinerated in the middle of a village
marriage ceremony.  The incident occured in the early evening and
within earshot of the neighboring villages.

The sounds of drums and celebrating were heard from Kirimukyu until
about 9 p.m., at which time all sound suddenly stopped.
Neighboring villagers and a shepard who was much closer to the
village observed lights moving in the sky and rays or beams of
intense light being directed downward into the village. There were
no survivors among the several hundred inhabitants.


Weird and grim, don't you think?

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: More Missing
Date: 8 Mar 91 12:15:00 GMT

What are your sources on this information?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Peggy Noonan)
Subject: Re: Phenomenon Framed Again!
Date: 8 Mar 91 12:49:00 GMT

>You'll have to tune in more often...
     Right, John!  Same time, same station...."Don't touch that dial!"
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Resonant Coil Implications?
Date: 8 Mar 91 22:44:00 GMT


 > From: User <[e-mail]>


 > And finally, a friend told me that the URE that was filmed (Unidentified
 > Running Entity) from the window (as mentioned several newsletters ago,
 > along with the claim that the Stealth was from UFO parts - the 10
 > strangest stories of 1990) was broadcast on one of the tabloids (H.C.,
 > A.C.A., I.E., or U.M.) and he said it didn't look like any familiar
 > animal or even an Earth-like animal.  Anyone else saw this broadcast?

Are you referring to the Jones' case in Greenville, South Carolina, Halloween
evening, in 1989?  If so, I have not heard anything further on it.  I do have
a copy of the video tape that was made when A Current Affair covered that
story.  Supposedly, MUFON was to be investigating this case, but I also heard
that they botched it and the witness lost confidence in them.

 > And how come nobody is commenting on the Unsolved Mysteries broadcast
 > of the Kecksberg incident?  Did EVERYONE miss it except me?

I also saw this and have a tape of it.  I believe that there was some comment
on it a few issues back.  I will see what I have on it.  There is also a story
which appeared in the newspaper in that neck of the woods, which I will
reprint here for your enjoyment.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (sm)
Subject: Kecksburg UFO story
Date: 8 Mar 91 22:52:00 GMT

Below is a reprint on the Kecksburg UFO story which preceeded the Unsolved
Mysteries segment of last year.

NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE

DATE OF ARTICLE:  May 6, 1989
SOURCE OF ARTICLE:  Bulletin
LOCATION:  Latrobe, Pennsylvania
BYLINE:  Kim Opatka
========================================================
THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE
AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION
SERVICE
========================================================

KECKSBURG CRASH CONTROVERSIAL

By Kim Opatka
Bulletin Staff Writer

     This  final  article  in a six-part series  on  unidentified
flying  objects (UFOS) examines one of the most talked about  and
controversial  incidents  in the area,  what has  been  termed  a
meteorite by some and an alien craft by others,  which crashed in
Kecksburg December 9, 1965.
     The  object  was first seen streaking across the  sky,  with
thousands  from Michigan to New York witnessing a brilliant  ball
of  fire which left a smoke trail,  visible for about 20  minutes
after it passed.
     Many,  including pilots who observed it,  thought it was  an
aircraft  which was on fire.   Reports of debris from the  object
were made in many states,  and an Ohio fire department was called
to extinguish 10 small fires in an area where witnesses said they
saw flaming fragments falling from the sky.
     Shock waves were reported by pilots,  and a seismograph near
Detroit  recorded  a shock,  wrote investigator Stan  Gordon,  of
Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained  (PASU)
in a recent journal article.  The crash has been a pet project of
the Greensburg man "since the night it happened," he said, noting
he is still trying to obtain information on the incident.
     Although  the  military  eventually  labeled  the  object  a
meteor,  as  did  the Associated Press account published  in  The
Bulletin  the day after the crash,  Gordon says recent  evidence,
including the discovery of a man who saw the object, supports the
idea that the object was a true UFO.
     "I  was  a teen-ager then," said John (not his  real  name).
"It was in the early part of December and there was a little snow
and a little rain, and mud."
     He  was called to the scene after the 4:44 p.m.  crash as  a
fireman from the Latrobe area, to search for the crashed object.
     "I had seen a fiery object in the sky.   I can't say exactly
which direction but it was coming from the north.  It was not too
much longer and the fire whistle went off," he said.  "I answered
the  call  and was told they needed a search team because at  the
time they believed it was a downed aircraft.   And I thought, 'My
God, this is what I have just seen'."
     When firemen arrived at the Kecksburg Fire Hall,  maps  were
reviewed and groups were given sections to search.
     "It  was getting semi-dusk and we had flashlights.   We were
taken in the back of a truck and dropped off and told to go 'this
way'  which  we  did.   I was not on the  initial  contact  team.
Another team found the object.
     "It was definitely, unequivocally, positively, absolutely no
aircraft,  plane,  helicopter  or  rocket,  at least  not  to  my
knowledge.   It was in an area that was part field and part woods
and we went down to investigate," he said.
     "We found the object had crashed at a 30 to 40 degree angle,
and had broken off numerous tree branches in its impact path.  My
initial  reaction  was  'This  is no airplane.'   I  observed  no
shrapnel,  no  breaking  up of the fuselage.   It was  one  solid
piece, no doors, no windows.
     "Preliminary searches found no bodies or casualties.  It was
shaped like an acorn,  laying on its side,  like the acorn nut is
in  its shell when it's on a tree," he explained.   "I've been  a
machinist  for 24 years and I've worked with a tremendous  amount
of different metals, and I have never seen any type of metal that
looked even close to that."
     John said the object was not broken, "not even cracked, just
dented a bit.   It did not give off smoke,  steam or  vapors,  at
least none that we could see."
     Reports  from neighbors in the area said it had given off  a
faint trail of blue smoke, which disappeared after the crash.
     He  described  the portion visible as between eight  and  10
feet long,  six and seven feet across,  and said a man of average
height  would probably have had little trouble standing up inside
it.   The  crater it plowed into the ground was  "rectangular  in
shape."
     John  said the state police were there and the area was soon
quarantined.
     "They  drove us out.   It was late at night when we  finally
got  back to the fire hall and it had been completely taken  over
by  the  military.    They  were  carrying  in  large  pieces  of
equipment,  radios  and such,  and they had armed  guards  posted
outside  so nobody could get in or out.   The firemen were thrown
out.  We weren't even allowed in to use the bathroom.
     "The  military  had control of the  whole  operation,"  John
recalled.   "After  a while we saw a flat bed truck come by  with
some other military equipment, a crane or something.
     "It  was not too much longer,  an hour,  an hour and a half,
when  the  trucks came back and there was a large object  on  the
back of the flat bed,  covered by a tarp,  with military  escorts
front and back.  I got the feeling that if you had stepped on the
road you were dead meat.  They weren't stopping for anything."
     Although  the object was later said to be a meteorite,  John
doesn't buy that explanation.
     "It had writing on it,  not like your average  writing,  but
more  like  ancient  Egyptian hieroglyphics.   It had sort  of  a
bumper on it,  like a ribbon about six to 10 inches wide,  and it
stood  out.   It  was  elliptical the whole way  around  and  the
writing  was on this bumper.   It's nothing like I've ever  seen,
and  I'm an avid reader.   I read a lot of books  on  Egypt,  the
Incas, Peruvians, Russians and I've never to this day come across
anything that looked like that."
     John notes that later it was denied that the object was even
a meteorite, and the military "denied they were even in the area.
But I know there were Air Force and Army personnel involved.   It
was like they just came out of the woodwork."
     Gordon's  research  has revealed that one  of  the  military
groups  involved was most likely to be the 662nd Radar  Squadron,
based  at  the Oakdale Armory,  located near  Greater  Pittsburgh
International Airport.
     The  squadron  was  found  to be under the  control  of  the
Aerospace Defense Command, and attempts to get information on the
Kecksburg crash, through the Freedom of Information Act, have not
provided much to go on.
     One  response said there had been no record of the  squadron
being activated on that date,  Gordon said, wondering how so much
equipment  and  personnel could be activated  while  the  monthly
report showed no entry on Dec. 9.
     Through his research, Gordon says he knows the Air Force was
still investigating UFO cases at the public level then,  and that
it was apparently the Project Blue Book staff which contacted the
662nd squadron.  Subsequent reports have led him to theorize that
even  the  Project Blue Book staff was not made aware of  objects
which   could   "affect  national  security,"   and   that   some
intelligence   teams  investigated  crashes  of  "foreign   space
vehicles."
     Another  strange  occurrence that night,  Gordon  said,  was
reports  by  some  civilians that  radiation  was  released.   He
explained  that some children playing in the area had  reportedly
been told by military personnel that that was a possibility,  and
men  in  decontamination suits were allegedly seen  at  the  site
later the next day.
     Although  he has considered the possibility that the  object
could  have  been  space debris or a  test  device,  Gordon  says
documents  and evidence obtained in the last few years lead  more
in the direction of it being a "true UFO."
     John concurs.
     "It was definitely not of this planet.   At the time I was a
skeptical  teen,  but when you see something like that you  don't
forget  it.   When  you  get called out like that from  the  fire
department you think you're going out looking for an aircraft  of
some sort, not a UFO.
     "I'll  never forget it.   I still want to know what the hell
it was."

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8/89

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Graham)
Subject: Re: Tesla, Keely, Et. Al.
Date: 9 Mar 91 08:10:04 GMT


 >I have data on a catastrophic "explosion" (for lack of a better
 >word, since this coil is built from inert materials) in the New
 >York area and have heard accounts of similar mishaps in
 >Philadelphia (2) and Toronto (1).

Clark, what is the data you have concerning the "explosion"?

Regards,
-Jim




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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Kecksburg
Date: 8 Mar 91 05:12:01 GMT


 > Last I heard, there was *speculation* it could've been a Russian
 > space capsule.

  Well, if you think about it, it makes sense.
  It would appear as a fireball during reentry, then the chutes would
open and it may change direction as it descends. Then, on the ground,
the heatshield may be so hot that it starts fires or glows.
  The US military would get very excited.
  Wouldn't that be an interesting way for a cosmonaut to defect?!

                                           jbh

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From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack
Subject: Resonant Gravity Coils
Date: 9 Mar 91 12:26:58 GMT

From: James Roger Black <[e-mail]>

Regarding toroidal electromagnets and such, here is an interesting
passage from 'Confrontations', Jacques Vallee's latest book (p. 45-6):

  In 1985 private researcher Kenneth Behrendt published a study
  entitled 'Understanding Metal-Ejecting UFOs,' in which he made the
  assumption that such devices could fly by generating 'an anti-mass
  field.'  He speculated ingeniously that the intense magnetic field
  required for this operation could be produced in a 'large toroidal
  electromagnet with hollow tubular windings that are made from a
  heat-proof ceramic material,' with the windings filled with a molten
  metal.

The quotations are footnoted:

  K.R. Behrendt, 'Understanding Metal-Ejecting UFOs,' Annals of
  Ufological Research Advances 1, No. 4 (November 1985).

At least to my untrained eye, there appears to be a marked similarity
between Behrendt's gadget and the 'Resonant Gravity Coil' described
previously; just use ceramic instead of heat-resistant plastic, and
molten aluminum or magnesium instead of wax or glycerine for the
dielectric.

Don't do this at home, kids.  Boiling wax is bad enough, but molten
magnesium?  Yikes!

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From: [e-mail] (Don Sudduth)
Subject: Re: Kecksburg
Date: 9 Mar 91 16:27:00 GMT

The possible radiation sickness described by some of the witnesses may
also support the Russian satillite theory.  The containment of radio-
active materials may not have been much of a concern of the Soviets at
that time.
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Solar Flare Alert - 07 Mar
Date: 10 Mar 91 03:29:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Space Echo"
 * Originally from Bev Freed
 * Originally dated 03-08-91 11:25

                        --  MAJOR SOLAR FLARE ALERT  --
                                MARCH 07, 1991
                              Flare Event Summary
                           Potential Impact Forecast
                                    --------

MAJOR ENERGETIC EVENT SUMMARY

     Three major solar flares exploded from Region 6538 today.  The
first event was a very powerful proton-type which began at 06:13 UT on
07 March.  X-rays peaked at a class X5.5 level at 07:55 UT.  The event
ended at 08:04 UT.  This flare was exceptional in energy output.  It
generated moderate to strong intensity Type II and IV bursts and was
associated with a 3,000 s.f.u. Tenflare which lasted 26 minutes.  The
flare attained a large class 3B optical rating and was also associated
with a 5,400 s.f.u. burst at 245 MHz.  This event almost certainly
produced a coronal mass ejection with proton activity to the east of the
region.  No protons were observed near earth.  The region is still too
far east.  This flare was located at S20E66.
     The second major flare began at 14:03 UT, peaked at 14:05 UT and
ended at 14:26 UT.  The flare attained a class M5.0/SF rating, and
originated from Region 6438 at a location of S22E62.  This flare was
not particularly powerful.
     The third major energetic flare began at 23:15 UT, peaked at
23:18 UT and ended at 23:26 UT on 07 March.  This major flare was rated
a class X2.5/2B Tenflare with a very strong 35,000 s.f.u. burst at
245 MHz.  The event was also associated with a 760 s.f.u. Tenflare which
lasted 5 minutes.  Although powerful, this flare was a short impulsive
type which did not produce any sweep frequency events and is not
suspected of producing a coronal mass ejection.  However, it did produce
a moderately intense Sudden Ionospheric Disturbance (SID) and Short Wave
Fade (SWF) which disrupted communications on HF frequencies up to 25 MHz.
Strong phase shifts followed by strong signal absorption were observed
beginning at 23:17 UT over the sunlit sectors.  The SWF ended at 23:34 UT
on 07 March.

POTENTIAL TERRESTRIAL IMPACT FORECAST

     This latest flare will not likely produce any significant terrestrial
impacts.  There is a slight risk it could produce active conditions after
10 March, but magnetic or auroral storming is not likely.  The region was
too far east at the time of the major class X5.5 flare to produce
terrestrial impacts.
     Solar activity will remain high for the next several days at least.
 Major M-class flares and isolated X-class flares are possible throughout
the next 72 hours at least.  Region 6538 is capable of producing some
very energetic flare activity which could produce intense moderate to
long-duration SID's/SWF's over the sunlit areas of the earth.  Within
the next 24 to 48 hours, Region 6538 will begin to enter the terrestrial
impact zone.  Major flares after 09 or 10 March could produce potentially
moderate terrestrial impacts.  Major flares after 11 March will have a
high risk for producing high terrestrial impacts which could include
major auroral and geomagnetic storming along with potentially strong
degradation in radio signal propagation.  However, that is still several
days away and Region 6538 could conceivably calm down by then.  On the
other hand, it could also become more energetic.  It currently possesses
a Beta-Gamma magnetic configuration with significant amounts of shear
and high magnetic gradients.
     The Calcium XV emission from Region 6538 increased to very bright
levels during the day today.  It appears as though Region 6538 will
remain a significant threat throughout the coming week.  The position
of Region 6538, corrected to 24:00 UT on 08 March is S25E48.  It will
reside very near the central meridian on 12 March and will cross into
the western hemisphere on 13 March.
     As a side-note, geomagnetic activity will remain at unsettled to
active levels throughout most of the coming week.  Storm conditions
could occur if major flaring continues.
     Additional alerts and/or updates will continue to be posted daily
for as long as necessary.

**  End of Alert  **


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Halley's Comet Article
Date: 10 Mar 91 03:36:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "NASA Space Conference"
 * Originally from Jato.jpl.nasa.gov![e-mail]
 * Originally dated 03-09-91 12:01

From: jato.jpl.nasa.gov![e-mail]
Date: 9 Mar 91 02:28:33 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alpha.space

From: [e-mail] (Ron Baalke)

New York Times -- 3/7/91
'Dust Cloud Erupts on Halley's Comet'

'Five years after a much-heralded pass near Earth, an
immense dust cloud has erupted from Halley's comet, making
it hundreds of times brighter.'

The Times reports that the potato-shaped, ice-ball core of
Halley's comet had been very faint up until last month when a
University of Hawaii astronomer, Dr. Karen Meech, sighted
the new apparition.

According to the Times, Meech noticed that the comet had
sprouted a cloud extending up to 180,000 miles from the
icy core of the comet and more than 1,000 times brighter
than should be the case for an object so far from the sun.
The Times quotes Meech as saying 'to have something turn off
and suddenly brighten up at this distance is unheard of.'

The story further quotes Smithsonian planetary expert Dr.
Brian Marsden as saying 'this is much farther than anything
we've observed before.'  The article says Marsden and fellow
colleagues at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for
Astrophysics noted this will be very hard to explain given the
distance from the sun of the comet.

The story concludes by citing comments made by astronomer
Meech that other comets have produced extended clouds like
this but that the other occurrences have been of a continuous
cloud, not the sudden appearance of one as happened with
Halley's comet.
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Halley's Comet
Date: 10 Mar 91 03:39:00 GMT

I am curious among our scientific users if this phenomena related to Halley's
Comet in the previous post is a normal feature of a comet?

Mike

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From: vanth!jms
Subject: movies on WTBS
Date: 10 Mar 91 06:18:28 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

This coming week, (Monday, March 11 through Friday, March 15), cable
channel WTBS is going to show a movie about parapsychology, UFOlogy,
cryptozoology, or similar subjects each day at 1:05 PM Eastern Standard
Time.  I don't have the list handy; I'm just trying to get out the message
ahead of time. Check your local listings.

*  From the disk of:  | [e-mail]       | 'There's UFOs over New
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37 Brook Street       | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms  | surprised.'
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From: vanth!jms
Subject: that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness!
Date: 10 Mar 91 06:19:31 GMT

From: vanth![e-mail] (Jim Shaffer)

Clark Matthews writes:

+Preliminary reports indicate sightings of a large, spherical,
+slow-moving object with four 'exhaust-like' lights and vapor trails.
+The object was whitish blue and was observed to change course and
+possibly altitude.
+
+It was first observed over the borough of Queens in New York City at
+around midnight 3/5/91 and was last observed by two police officers
+in Mastic in eastern Long Island three hours later.
+
+Observations were reported from aircraft and witnesses on the
+ground.

This sure sounds to me like it could be connected to that fireball that was
seen the same night -- the one which, according to the Associated Press,
'FAA spokeswoman Diane Spitalieri said pilots who called airports in
Teeterboro, N. J. and Garden City, N. J. said the bright light was moving
back and forth over New York City.'  Highly irregular behavior for a
fireball!  (Of course, it could be a coincidence: there could've been a
trufo and a fireball on the same night in the same place at the same time,
or even different places and times but reported as the same thing. If
that's the case, we're going to have a major battle to fight against the
debunkers over this one!)

But it gets weirder.  An interesting conversation took place on CompuServe:

+#: 102263 S10/Paranormal Issues
+    06-Mar-91 20:30:58
+Sb: #Eastern US Fireball
+Fm: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667
+To: all
+
+Since it's not legal for me to reproduce APWire reports here, I can only say:
+Read the articles at APV-4362 and APV-5774. The former reports that airline
+pilots reported to the FAA that Wednesday morning's fireball moved back and
+forth over NY City once it got there. The later report (5774) leaves out that
+fact and quotes two astronomers (who didn't see it) who dismissed it as a
+meteor.

Cover-up, or incompetent press?  You decide.  <grin>

+One witness described the fireball as 'a boomerang on its side...a cluster of
+lights with a fire tail behind it.' (Police officer near Boston.)

A boomerang?  Are they flying the Hudson Valley craft on its side?!

+Other witnesses said it appeared very low, but crossed the sky in a few
+seconds. The pilots who saw it 'moving back and forth over New York City'
+called two separate New Jersey airports to report their sightings.

+#: 102384 S10/Paranormal Issues
+    07-Mar-91 03:00:18
+Sb: #102263-#Eastern US Fireball
+Fm: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244
+To: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667 (X)
+
+Two police officers and several of my friends saw the 'fireball'. I live
+Burlington, MA, where a lot of the action took place. Two of my employees told
+me they saw it hover, under apparent control, and display some lighting effects
+(blue beams). Another weird coincidence: I have a friend in the movie biz who

Yikes! Note again that this is not all that far from the HVUFO's old
stomping grounds.  But it gets *much* weirder:

+sculpted Alien's for Communion. I have one sitting on my desk as a big
+paperweight. Several people I frequently do business with can't tolerate the
+sculpture in the room with them and I'm always forced to remove it. They have
+no interest in paranormal events (almost overly derisive of the subject) - they
+share that aversion. They are from this area.
+
+The day before the 'fireball' appeared here, one of these skeptics stormed into
+my office to tell me his 9 year old daughter woke him, complaining of little
+alien creatures in her bedroom. He scoffed, sent her to bed, behaving like a
+good skeptic (he didn't even give her a plausible 'bad dream' explanation).
+
+Another employee told me today that it woke her right out of bed. I asked her
+how - sound, light, smoke? She has no recall. Radio stations have been buzzing
+with call-in's all day. Keep in mind that this is not Mayberry RFD, but a large
+high-tech sector, just ten minutes from Boston.

These latter reports COULD easily be coincidences.  It's interesting that
the AP talked to Stan Gordon of PASU (Pennsylvania Assoc. for the Study of
the Unexplained) and was told that the reports he had received were of a
fireball.  No strangeness was mentioned.  As I mentioned earlier, there
could've been both a fireball and a UFO.  Or maybe Stan only had
preliminary reports at the time.  It's interesting that the fireball was
reported to have a 'reddish-green' trail, and that green is apparently a
very uncommon color for fireballs (from previous discussions here on
Paranet.)

I can't wait to see if any more reports come in -- particularly
high-strangeness reports.

*  From the disk of:  | [e-mail]       | 'There's UFOs over New
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Matthews)
Subject: More Missing
Date: 9 Mar 91 07:20:00 GMT


 > What are your sources on this information?
 >

Good public sources.  The First Fourth is an enduring mystery
documented in several of Berlitz's books as well as Dr. Vallee's.
Incidentally, the mysterious disappearance of the regiment was
mentioned in a display at the Imperial War Museum when I visited
there five years ago.

The horrible story of Kirimukuyu comes from Jacques Vallee's
Confrontations.  I have seen it nowhere else, although it closely
matches another, unspecific report and they may in fact refer to the
same incident.

For that matter, most of the awful CEIIIs Vallee documents from the
Amazon Basin could qualify as "More Missing".  Unfortunately for the
victims, they were still alive when they started falling apart...

Best,
  Clark

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: More Missing
Date: 9 Mar 91 22:28:00 GMT


 > Good public sources.  The First Fourth is an enduring mystery documented
 > in several of Berlitz's books as well as Dr. Vallee's. Incidentally, the
 > mysterious disappearance of the regiment was mentioned in a display at
 > the Imperial War Museum when I visited there five years ago.
 >
 > The horrible story of Kirimukuyu comes from Jacques Vallee's
 > Confrontations.  I have seen it nowhere else, although it closely
 > matches another, unspecific report and they may in fact refer to the
 > same incident.
 >
 > For that matter, most of the awful CEIIIs Vallee documents from the
 > Amazon Basin could qualify as "More Missing".  Unfortunately for the
 > victims, they were still alive when they started falling apart...

Thanks for the reply.  I wonder what contemporary "More Missing" there are?
Any information on this?

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: BILL COOPER
Date: 8 Mar 91 22:28:00 GMT

My Gosh! some of you people have been really hard on Mr. Cooper
lately. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe all that Milty says but I will
listen to Bill and see what he has to say. This is known as investigation
procedures.
  I would like to add a little bit of comment here and I think that some of
the real investigators will agree. When you are out giving lectures like Bill
is, you will meet a lot of very interesting people and some of these have some
interesting storys to tell. Most good investigators will follow up on these
storys and try to verify them and some will just relay what they heard. I
think this might be the case on William Cooper.
  What you might be getting is a lot of garbage from Bill but if you are
dumping trash at your local land fill and happen to spot what looks like a
diamond ring among the trash, do you tell yourself that its not because
all thats here is trash or do you pick it up and examine it. Or if it
happened to be a mental patient that was wondering through the desert and
happened to find the dead sea scrolls. Would you discard them as not real
because the person who found it was missing a few marbles.
   Some of you seem to make quick judgement because of the source or
because you don't understand it. I would like to add that there are a lot
of things that can't be explained. If you here tell of a person name
Hatonn that tells us whatever it is (I never read his material) listen
and make it a piece of your puzzle. This cover-up, UFOs, channeling,
ghost, spirits, cattle mulilation, abductions, etc. could be part of
the big picture. Don't throw a part of this puzzle away because someday
it might fit into the big picture.
   Don't throw all of Bill Cooper away but put it off to the side if you
think its garbage. I have not done or tried to Channel aliens but have sat
in on some sections and found them to be most interesting. I have not made
a determination if what I see or hear is real but I won't throw it away
as garbage. I have no proof that its real or not, so its a part of my
puzzle. If you must close your mind to all what Bill Cooper, Hatonn or
what ever, then you might as well join the Bay Area Skeptic group.
   Believe me when I say that you are not getting all the information
from the good investigators. They keep a lot of information to themselfs
because of different reasons that only they know. Isn't that right Mr.
Ecker, Mr. Stevens, Mr. lear, Mr. English, etc. There is no way that I
release what I have learn and take a chance to jeopardize someone job
or life to satisfy some arm chair Ufologist or Skeptic. There been
too many good investigators that lost there jobs because of what they
are doing and for what? To listen to a bunch of skeptics. These few
people are trying to find the answers or puzzle to the big picture.
   OK, maybe Bill Cooper has just a little bit of common decency and
won't release his source of information as he promise to that person.
Just a thought! I know to some of you that this is impossible but I
feel that there is good in all of us somewhere. He sure hasn't shown
too much of this in the last couple of years from what I've heard. But
I am going to look for that small ray of sunlight that is being block
by that empty liquor bottle. He is a good speaker and can be a big
help to the Ufology field if he can strighten himself out. And maybe
he did read Grudge 13, who knows for sure but him.
                 73's to all    ---Jim---

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                Info-ParaNet Newsletters   Volume I  Number 376

                            Tuesday, March 12th 1991

Today's Topics:

                    HYPNOTHERAPIST NEEDED FOR OREGON ABDUCTEE
                                      SS433
                                RED LIGHT SPECIAL
                           Philadelphia meteor 4/5/91
                               ufo sighting in nh?
                                another "meteor"
                               Haaton stuff, etc.
                                    Re: Ss433
                                     (none)
                             Gravitational magnetism
                               Incinerated Village
                                Red Light Special
                           Philadelphia Meteor 4/5/91
                              Skyline For 91-03-08
                               Geomagnetic Update

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From: [e-mail] (Sheldon Wernikoff)
Subject: HYPNOTHERAPIST NEEDED FOR OREGON ABDUCTEE
Date: 11 Mar 91 02:16:00 GMT


I HAVE BEEN CORRESPONDING WITH AN ABDUCTEE LIVING IN OREGON - PREVIOUSLY
NEW MEXICO - WHO IS LOOKING FOR A QUALIFIED HYPNOTHERAPIST NEAR NEWPORT,
OREGON TO INVESTIGATE HER AMNESIAC PERIODS.

ANY RECOMMENDATIONS APPRECIATED..

SHELDON WERNIKOFF
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Greenen)
Subject: SS433
Date: 9 Mar 91 15:48:00 GMT


 MC> Jim,
 MC>
 MC> I have noticed your postings in other echoes about SS433.
 MC> What is it and what significance does it have to UFO
 MC> research?
 MC>
 MC> Thanks for your reply.
 MC>
 MC> Mike
 MC>
 MC> --- FD 1.99c
 MC>  * Origin: ParaNet Information Service -- Leading UFO
 MC> Research Network (1:104/4
Well Mike, from what I've been able to find out from other sources
is that this object seems to have the ability to change course and
speed. Which means it could be under intelligent control. Or simply
a Unidentified Flying object. From what I'd heard is that there is
more to SS433 then what the public is being told. If you would like,
I will discontinue my discussion on this object in your echo if so
desired.       73's    ---Jim---
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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: RED LIGHT SPECIAL
Date: 9 Mar 91 17:15:01 GMT


 > Sensational usless information.

   You're right, ABC presented zippo information.
  About the red lights. They've been see in the area for quite a
while. An old fisherman said "decades."
  The lights have been seen to move fast, hold still, and slowly move
to windward. Rules out balloons, and too fast for a blimp. No other
lights, such as running lights, and no sound.
  I apparently saw one in the early '80's, about 200 miles east of
Pensacola. I recall thinking it was rather strange at the time, but
many of the descriptions from Pensacola fit what I saw.
  Dim red light, no other lights, moving slowly southward up high,
then moving faster until out of sight. No sound. At the time I'd been
very used to seeing mil. jets and Customs/CG choppers at night, and it
didn't appear to match any of those.
  Other lights at Pensacola. A few people have reported seeing
fast-moving luminous blue-white globes, sometimes apparently fairly
low.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: Philadelphia meteor 4/5/91
Date: 9 Mar 91 17:19:02 GMT


 >  In my local paper, Robert Gribble, director of the National UFO
 > Reporting Center, said his investigators questioned a pilot
 > flying over Maryland at the time of the incident. The pilot said
 > that he saw the meteor *change direction.*  Hmmm....

  A post on CI$ quoted the initial AP report as saying that two
airline pilots reported (by radio) to the FAA that they saw the thing
moving slowly and changing direction over the New York City area. A
later AP report didn't mention the pilots but quoted the meteor
scenario.
  We saw a report from LIUFON here about an incident that apparently
happened about the same time.
  Another person on CI$ said that a couple of his employees in NYC
told him they saw it *hover*.
  A little bleep in yesterdays newspaper mentioned another meteor
moving east-west over Michigan.
  Getting odd!

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: ufo sighting in nh?
Date: 9 Mar 91 17:20:03 GMT


 > Hello...i'm  wondering if anyone out there has any info on the
 > "ufo"
 > sightings that took place on wedsday morning between 2-330 in

  Maybe connected with the East Coast "meteor" sightings.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (John Hicks)
Subject: another "meteor"
Date: 9 Mar 91 17:26:04 GMT


  I have a firsthand report from a retired USMC Colonel (engineer) who
saw a "fireball" from the North Carolina Outer Banks in the mid-'50's.
  The fireball was seen from NC up to Maine, and apparently was
reported in many newspapers.
  He said that what he saw was a brilliant white light that moved from
horizon to horizon in about ten seconds in apparently level flight,
and was so bright that a distinct shadow was cast by a lit Coleman
lantern. He said it didn't leave any trail or have a tail, and that he
didn't believe it was a meteor.
  The witness is definitely a qualified observer.
  Sounds very similar to the recent "meteor" report.

                                           jbh

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From: [e-mail] (Steve Rose)
Subject: Haaton stuff, etc.
Date: 9 Mar 91 05:44:14 GMT


 un> of gay bashing is a volume that has how
 un> 'Sodomy reduced the immune system' and
 un> 'AIDS is the last great plague of the
 un> Earth' or some such items.  Talked about
 un> how there will be concentration camps in
 un> the US, how we will see stuff like in
 un> Russia (removing large bills from the
 un> economy, then going plastic, which may
 un> happen regardless of who is in charge).

This type of crap has been going on since the beginning of recorded history and
will continue till the end of time.  Most everyone can smell this type of
advertising or phoney literature for what it is, right away.  Others just take
a bit longer to catch on...unless they are simply curious as to how sick a
group of individuals can be.  No harm in looking an laughing at such nonsense,
just to see how little we have all progressed throughout time.  But you are
right in saying, that the buck stops with one's wallet.  Never let them get the
edge on ya, by scoring a victory over your hard-earned money.  Only through
refusing to give into such 'mail order scams' disguised as "revelation
information services" can we hit them back where it hurts most.
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Re: Ss433
Date: 11 Mar 91 10:21:00 GMT

In a message to Michael Corbin <03-09-91 08:48> Jim Greenen wrote:


>Well Mike, from what I've been able to find out from other
>sources is that this object seems to have the ability to
>change course and speed. Which means it could be under
>intelligent control. Or simply a Unidentified Flying
>object. From what I'd heard is that there is more to SS433
>then what the public is being told. If you would like, I
>will discontinue my discussion on this object in your echo
>if so desired.       73's    ---Jim---

By all means, no.  Please discuss this in this echo.  I am really curious
about it.  Can you cite some source material for the strange behavior you
mention?

Thanks for the reply.

Mike

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From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush
Subject: (none)
Date: 11 Mar 91 22:22:11 GMT

From: [e-mail] (Gregory B Lush)


To Michael Corbin,

You posted several articles about solar flare activity in the last
newsletter.  I have several questions about flares and I was
wondering if you could answer them.  First, I guess I would ask
why you think it was important enough to post.  I'm not being
critical, just asking.  I also read these postings on the NET
and found it hard to get anything out of them since I didn't
have any experience following the reports.  Could you address
the following?

How often do flares occur?  And is frequency related to the
eleven year cycle of the sun?

What do the class ratings mean?  Class M or X?

The most recent reports seemed to have many words like 'very,'
'exceptional,' and "major."  What was unusual about that alert?

What is a typical intensity of a flare and what is exceptional?

What is UT (Universal Time?) with respect to EST?

One alert had statements like:
'Type II sweep frequency event...'  "No sweeps were recorded..."
What do these statements mean?

What is a coronal mass ejection, and what are its implications?
It sounds exciting.

What is shock speed?

'S23E90 (or slightly beyond the east limb)'  What is the map of sun?

What is a flare that is 'optically uncorrelated'?

What is a s.f.u. ?

What of proton events?  I work with solar cells and know that they often
suffer their worst radiation damage from protons and especially from
solar flares.  Are there other implications besides solid state
radiation damage?

Is the following unusual?
+     PLEASE NOTE!!  If the region(s) responsible for this major flaring
+  continues to produce major flares over the coming week, potentially high
+  terrestrial impacts could occur.  Persons, organizations, and/or researchers
+  who might be affected by the major flaring should take note of this and pay
+  close attention for future major flare alerts and possible terrestrial
+  impacts (ie. magnetic storming) later this week.  It is possible that this
+  region could quite literally blow itself out before it begins to enter the
+  area capable of producing terrestrial impacts.  More will be known in the
+  next 24 to 48 hours as the region(s) present themselves for closer
+  examination.

I know this is an awful lot so if you have a reference I can find,
that would suffice.  Thanks.

Greg





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From: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers
Subject: Gravitational magnetism
Date: 12 Mar 91 07:38:41 GMT

From: [e-mail] (John H. Chalmers Jr.)

  Robert Forward, a physicist specializing
in gravitational theory and 'hard SF' writer (Dragon's Egg and
sequel), has described an antigravity device consisting of a
toroidal coil with an ID of about 100 meters. If the mass
of a neutron star were to flow through the windings of the
coil every millisecond, the magnetic analog of the gravitational
field ('protational' or gravitational magnetic field) would neutralize
gravity in the center of the coil.  The reason for the enormous
masses and velocities required is the low value of the
gravitational coupling constant (about 40 orders of magnitude
less than the strong nuclear or EM) and the low permeability
of space to the field.
 Physicists at Stanford and elsewhere are planning experiments
on a satellite in the next decade to test for the existence of
the protational field (as I remember by the precession of orthogonal
gyroscopes).
 Given what is known about electrodynamics and the
above, I'm rather skeptical about low power toroidal magnetic
fields' causing warps in space-time. However, a working model
would go a long way toward convincing me. ---- John




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From: astro.dnet.ge.com!CARR
Subject: Incinerated Village
Date: 12 Mar 91 07:40:12 GMT

From: Paul Carr <[e-mail]>

It seems to me that the Kirimukuyu incident could be explained
by your usual bloodthirsty types dropping Napalm from planes or
choppers.  Africa has had its share of this sort of thing.  Did
I miss something?
As to the disappearance of the British regiment, I would like to offer one
possible explanation ... Their commander tried to take advantage
of the fog bank to try and go around behind his objective.  They got
lost, got behind enemy lines, and were wiped out.  The British suffered
immense casualties in that campaign, and not every single man killed
could be accounted for.  Does that hold water?




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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Red Light Special
Date: 12 Mar 91 05:56:00 GMT


 >    You're right, ABC presented zippo information.
 >   About the red lights. They've been see in the area for quite a while.
 > An old fisherman said "decades."
 >   The lights have been seen to move fast, hold still, and slowly move to
 > windward. Rules out balloons, and too fast for a blimp. No other lights,
 > such as running lights, and no sound.
 >   I apparently saw one in the early '80's, about 200 miles east of
 > Pensacola. I recall thinking it was rather strange at the time, but many
 > of the descriptions from Pensacola fit what I saw.
 >   Dim red light, no other lights, moving slowly southward up high, then
 > moving faster until out of sight. No sound. At the time I'd been very
 > used to seeing mil. jets and Customs/CG choppers at night, and it didn't
 > appear to match any of those.
 >   Other lights at Pensacola. A few people have reported seeing fast-
 > moving luminous blue-white globes, sometimes apparently fairly low.

I am not too sure that we can dismiss balloons yet.  I recall that there was
something done with balloons there about a year ago as a joke.  From what I
could see, the red light was not strange, but appeared to be simply a red
light not displaying any type of maneuvers which could be considered out of
the ordinary.

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Philadelphia Meteor 4/5/91
Date: 12 Mar 91 05:57:00 GMT


 >   A post on CI$ quoted the initial AP report as saying that two airline
 > pilots reported (by radio) to the FAA that they saw the thing moving
 > slowly and changing direction over the New York City area. A later AP
 > report didn't mention the pilots but quoted the meteor scenario.   We
 > saw a report from LIUFON here about an incident that apparently happened
 > about the same time.
 >   Another person on CI$ said that a couple of his employees in NYC told
 > him they saw it *hover*.
 >   A little bleep in yesterdays newspaper mentioned another meteor moving
 > east-west over Michigan.
 >   Getting odd!

Anyone having newsclippings are encouraged to forward them here for
transcription.

Thanks,

Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Skyline For 91-03-08
Date: 12 Mar 91 06:00:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Astronomy"
 * Originally from Mark Kaye
 * Originally dated 03-09-91 00:54

"Sky and Telescope"  SKYLINE  91-03-08

   A big story this past week was a brilliant fireball that grazed the
Earth's atmosphere early on Wednesday March 6th.  Witnesses from West
Virginia to Maine saw the dazzling, multi-coloured object at about
02:55 EST.  One said it resembled a giant scud missile.  An airline
pilot near Philadelphia called it the mother of all meteors, well
whatever.  Reliable sightings note that the blazing fireball took up
to 30 seconds to fly across the sky.  That makes this an unusually low
velocity object, in many ways similar to a blazing daylight fireball
that appeared over the Rockies in 1972.  No one has yet found any
meteorites delivered by Wednesday's passage, and perhaps no one ever
will.  According to Walt Webb, of Boston's Museum of Science, the
witnesses he has spoken to all say the meteor was visible to the east
or south thus chances are that any falling pieces dropped in the
Atlantic ocean.  Conceivably, the object simply slipped in and out of
the atmosphere before moving on into interplanetary space.
   The Moon is now gone from the early evening sky, so you might want
to track down comet Levy, 1990c, before it gets to faint to observe.
For what it is worth, this week the comet will drag itself back north
of the celestial equator for the first time since last August.  Here
are its positions for zero hours UT and equinox 2000 co-ordinates:  On
Mar. 10th, R.A. 8:54, Dec. -2.6; on the 13th, 8:48, Dec. -0.7; on the
16th, R.A. 8:42, Dec. 1.1.
   Two planets are hugging the horizons these days.  Mercury is on its
way to a nice apparition, later this month and right now, you can find
it due west after sunset to the lower right of Venus.  Saturn is
emerging from dawn's glare in the east and on Mar. 12th, it will be
very close to a thin crescent Moon.  French astronomers, who have
looked at Saturn since its recent conjunction, report that two large
ovals are visible along the planets equator.
   On the evening of the 16th, you will have a chance to spot a very
young Moon.  Look for it 15 to 30 minutes after sunset to the lower
right of Venus and Mercury.  The Moon will be only 15 hours old, as
seen from the east coast, and 18 hours from the west.
   Finally, NASA is inviting the public to help pick names for some
4000 new craters and volcanos on Venus that are being discovered by
the Magellan orbiter.  By established convention, the planet's
landforms commemorate notable women, but not political or military
figures, who have been dead for at least three years.  Send your
submissions to:  Venus Names, Magellan Project, Jet Propulsion
Laboratory, Pasadena, California, 91109.  Include dates of birth and
death, and a short rational for your choice.
   That is it for this week.
                          MK

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Corbin)
Subject: Geomagnetic Update
Date: 12 Mar 91 06:27:00 GMT


 * Forwarded from "Space Echo"
 * Originally from Bev Freed
 * Originally dated 03-10-91 20:51

                /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
                     POTENTIAL GEOMAGNETIC STORM WARNING
                /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
                          Issued:  19:00 UT, 09 March
                           Geomagnetic Storm Warning
                                 -------------
ATTENTION:
     Minor geomagnetic storming has begun over the high latitude regions
recently.  This activity has spread a bit further south than was
originally anticipated.  Middle latitude geomagnetic activity became
active to very active between 14:00 UT and 18:00 UT.  Activity at the
present time (18:30 UT) has calmed down somewhat, although periods of
active to very active conditions over middle latitudes are expected to
continue for the next 24 to 48 hours.
     There is a risk of brief periods of middle latitude MINOR
geomagnetic storming.  No major storming will occur.  Most of the
activity should be below minor storm levels.  Magnetic K-indices of
4 and 5 are expected over the middle latitudes.  Middle latitude
magnetic A-indices could reach 32.
     High latitudes will experience low to moderate intensity minor
storming over the next 24 to 48 hours.  K-indices of 5 will be dominant.
Isolated brief major storming may occur over some locations with estimated
K-indices between 5 and 7.  High latitude A-indices could exceed 40.
     Auroral activity will be most intense over the high latitude auroral
zone.  Some southward migration of the auroral oval is possible over the
next 24 to 48 hours.  High latitudes will experience mostly moderate
auroral activity with some possible bursts of high activity during
substorm periods.  Northerly middle latitudes will witness low to
moderate auroral activity.  Central middle latitudes could witness low
activity while southerly middle latitudes and low latitudes will not
experience any auroral activity.  This could change, however, if major
flaring continues.
     The lower latitude limit for observing auroral activity in the U.S.
will range between approximately 42 N for the eastern U.S. to 44 N for
the western U.S. during the evening hours.  No significant auroral
storming is expected, although localized active periods could materialize.
     Polar and auroral radio paths will experience increased fading and
absorption due to the increased geomagnetic and auroral activity which
has occurred recently.  Auroral flutter will dominate polar and high
latitudes, particularly during the local evening hours.  High and
northerly middle latitude VHF auroral backscatter communications may
become possible during the late afternoon hours and again near local
midnight.
     A geomagnetic storm alert will be posted if middle latitude magnetic
activity surpasses storm level thresholds.

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